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Former Human
Oct 15, 2001

Squashy Nipples posted:

Right, but Howard has layers and layers of protection from guys like Joey, and Mutt doesn't. He willingly let Mutt take the fall, probably because he knew that he would do it.

Howard could have let Joey get angry at him, and then used it on the air for material. That's what old Howard would have done.

Howard, Jason and Mutt shouldn't have had to do it at all, really. That's something a program director should do. Maybe Tim was too busy negotiating with Riley.

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Advice
Feb 17, 2007

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ton revanche
Je veux ton amour
I don't wanna be friends

Bonzo posted:

9 Hours of Billy West appearances in what seems to be chronological order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNlePkuYjw

I've actually listened to this entire thing before, and sadly it repeats a ton of bits. It's basically the appearance with the Ren and Stimpy guy like three times looped and some other bits. Still listened to all nine hours, what does that say about me?

Slaine
Feb 26, 2001

Advice posted:

I've actually listened to this entire thing before, and sadly it repeats a ton of bits. It's basically the appearance with the Ren and Stimpy guy like three times looped and some other bits. Still listened to all nine hours, what does that say about me?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GrlpSr9YqU


Here's the video of the interview with the Ren and Stimpy guy, John Kricfalusi.

The Billy West era was before I was a listener, but I watched this and the vibe between Billy and John is awkward the whole loving hour. I couldn't figure out why Billy was behaving so odd and stand-offish, and he refuses to even look at John or acknowledge him even though they worked together. Like, their whole beef could have been resolved if he had just shook his hand and explained himself or made even the smallest amends.

After seeing that video, I feel like I understood why Howard was also confused about his relationship with Billy after he left the show. Weird dude, but responsible for a lot of classic bits and cartoon characters.

PinkoBastard
Oct 3, 2010

Slaine posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GrlpSr9YqU


Here's the video of the interview with the Ren and Stimpy guy, John Kricfalusi.

The Billy West era was before I was a listener, but I watched this and the vibe between Billy and John is awkward the whole loving hour. I couldn't figure out why Billy was behaving so odd and stand-offish, and he refuses to even look at John or acknowledge him even though they worked together. Like, their whole beef could have been resolved if he had just shook his hand and explained himself or made even the smallest amends.

After seeing that video, I feel like I understood why Howard was also confused about his relationship with Billy after he left the show. Weird dude, but responsible for a lot of classic bits and cartoon characters.

In this clip Billy shows us the textbook definition of a forced smile. It looks like he's in pain.

JB50
Feb 13, 2008

PinkoBastard posted:

In this clip Billy shows us the textbook definition of a forced smile. It looks like he's in pain.

He kind of always smiles like that though.

PinkoBastard
Oct 3, 2010

JB50 posted:

He kind of always smiles like that though.



Yeah, I guess you're not wrong! He still looks pained in that clip, though.

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.
Billy's an odd guy but John K. was like proto-hipster. I guess if you work in animation you're a little hosed in the head anyway.

Billy's awkward about it because he knows he screwed over John but it probably also tore up John that Billy grew his success from the move and never really reaped any karma over it. It was a dick move of sorts but John wasn't his friend and John wasn't going to pay Billy like Nickelodeon would. It was 100% the correct career move for Billy, it just happened in the worst way.

Former Human
Oct 15, 2001

John also tried to use Billy as a wedge against Nickelodeon by getting Billy to walk off Ren & Stimpy, probably in violation of his contract, and somehow force the network to hire John back. Billy didn't want to be in the middle of all the back and forth politics and just wanted to work. John never forgave him for it but it wasn't Billy's fault that John got fired, plus if Billy walked then Nickelodeon could have fired both of them and hired someone else or cancelled the show altogether.

Billy talks about it on the WTF podcast. He also talks about his really hosed up childhood and how he was a giant coked-up rear end in a top hat in the 80s, to the point that he traveled to South America to get even better drugs.

Advice
Feb 17, 2007

Je veux ton amour
Et je veux ton revanche
Je veux ton amour
I don't wanna be friends
Yeah after hearing that bit (three times, back to back!) I have total sympathy for Billy. It was a job to him, he's good at his job, and he's desired because of it. John wanted him to be on board with this whole animation movement and changing the world and crap and really it was just a gross cartoon show. The guy is still crying about it years later to the point that his assistant knows the whole story so you can tell who's losing sleep over it. Billy meanwhile went on to great success and rightfully so. His attitude in that fight was perfect, they're trying so hard to rile Billy up, even going so low as to involve his wife to try and get a rise out of him, and it rolls off his back. And seeing him so cool just drives John nuts to the point I thought it might come to blows.

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.
VAs are almost entirely replaceable. You have virtually zero leverage as a VA so Billy made the correct move. As a side note, that very reason is why Fry on Futurama is very close to Billy's speaking voice because those are far harder to replace than someone doing a wacky voice or a voice based on another voice, like making Stimpy sound like Larry Fine.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Former Human posted:


Billy talks about it on the WTF podcast. He also talks about his really hosed up childhood and how he was a giant coked-up rear end in a top hat in the 80s, to the point that he traveled to South America to get even better drugs.

I encourage everyone to listen to this. It's better than any other Artie "I walked to St. Louis" tale ever. The gist is that Billy and his friends are sick of scoring bad coke so they decide to vacation in Bolivia.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Bonzo posted:

I encourage everyone to listen to this. It's better than any other Artie "I walked to St. Louis" tale ever. The gist is that Billy and his friends are sick of scoring bad coke so they decide to vacation in Bolivia.

Wait, I thought the St Louis thing was nothing more than a one-liner. Is it?

Also, I can tell I've been either on these forums or posting in this thread way too much when I immediately notice your new avatar.

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

your new avatar.

I don't recognize him anymore.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Bonzo posted:

I encourage everyone to listen to this. It's better than any other Artie "I walked to St. Louis" tale ever. The gist is that Billy and his friends are sick of scoring bad coke so they decide to vacation in Bolivia.

I mean, that is kind of a smart move if you love coke.

Mr Lance Murdock
Feb 29, 2008

Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

Wait, I thought the St Louis thing was nothing more than a one-liner. Is it?


It is...
I think he tells a story on Its The Whiskey Talking about doing meth and that is a one liner from the story.

I wish he told the story more of when he poo poo his pants by accident on the side of the road.

BobbyK
Jun 4, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Im gonna guess Arties poo poo his pants more than Richard has.

GenoCanSing
Mar 2, 2004

If Artie and Howard have taught us anything, when you are writing a book (or more), don't dedicate it to your SO, even if a wife. Too Fat To Fish has lots of poo poo just gushing over Dana, and the new one, Crash and Burn I think, has loads of poo poo about Adrianne.

Imagine being a woman and dating a man, and then reading his book where he's gushing about proposing to another woman like 4 years prior.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

I forgot that he was engaged to her. Was this the one that he was yelling "oval office!" to in Europe and nearly got arrested?

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

beep by grandpa posted:

Anyone have any weirdly specific memories tied to the show?

I learned the word "salient" from Riley Martin's first interview. :eng101:

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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beep by grandpa posted:

Anyone have any weirdly specific memories tied to the show?

Even though it's only been 3 years now, everything Stern-related is forever tied to me watching and tagging porn.

More specifically:

1) The time Howard made a psychiatrist cry over the phone reminds me of a crazy stormy morning when I was working and it was almost completely dark outside, even at around 9am. It was weird. I also was listening to the Richard Simmons appearances.

2) I had listened to the Dan Rather interview in March or April of 2014 a week after it aired, and Eric called in, saying he was going in for an operation soon (or specifically, to see if an operation was viable). Then Hanzi gets on the phone and starts getting on his hunchback about poo poo, and Howard scolds Hanzi. I thought "this Eric dude sounds weird... I think I'll listen to his saga on Todd Packer's channel once I finish the "Win Fred's Money" pack. Again, all while tagging porn.

3) More Eric: about a week later, I'm listening to Eric part 9 or something, and one of my supervisors pops over to ask me something. I go to stop the video and minimize the window, and he says "oh man, Eric the Midget!! Ack ack!" and ever since then, I call him Boff, he called me Booey. :glomp: We STILL talk HSS now; just the other day I was walking by his desk (he's no longer my supervisor) and asks, out of the blue 'hey, so Joey Boots, huh? Sucks.'

4) Sitting next to my manager while working and listening, and trying my hardest not to laugh out loud at the Mike Walker fart bit.

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

lol @ hastily minimizing your Stern window to bring back up a hardcore porn video at work in case your boss caught you not looking at porn. Canada is a magical place.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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beep by grandpa posted:

lol @ hastily minimizing your Stern window to bring back up a hardcore porn video at work in case your boss caught you not looking at porn. Canada is a magical place.

I didn't say "hastily" :colbert: It was mostly because I had to actually listen to whatever he was about to show me, though I can't remember what it was.

But I see your point.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

beep by grandpa posted:

Anyone have any weirdly specific memories tied to the show? Reading "hugh jasshole" from above made me think of the Jay Leno / Ed mcmahon audio book poo poo they did back in I think 2007.

I was playing Half Life 2: Episode 2 in college listening to that that for the first time and I was in this blue underground cave/well area trying to get an elevator to work and I can see this level clear as day every single time I start thinking about Jay Leno saying "rear end in a top hat?"

I've got two, off the top of my head.

  • Scott the Engineer's pushup challenge was on the day I had a job interview over by Brandeis. I remember driving in my car and listening to it. On the plus side, they finished up the bit before I had to go in for the interview. (On the minus side, I didn't get the job. :shrug:)


  • For whatever reason, I was playing a lot of Kingdom of Loathing when the "This is Beetle" song happened, so I immediately think of KoL whenever I hear the Beetle song -- I used to have shows downloaded from Usenet as continual background sound.

Zoben
Oct 3, 2001

Bonzo posted:

I forgot that he was engaged to her. Was this the one that he was yelling "oval office!" to in Europe and nearly got arrested?

That was her, yeah. Man she was purty. I love this pic of them:

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Former Human
Oct 15, 2001

If I looked like Artie I would probably try to kill myself too.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Zoben posted:

That was her, yeah. Man she was purty. I love this pic of them:



I will never understand the chauvinistic "no fat chicks" mentality when you've got your average white American male looking either this big or slightly smaller. Why are women pretty much expected to put up with that?

Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 8, 2017

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
His tits are bigger.

So what happened? I know she was like, 22 and a working in a tanning salon when they met and he claims she didn't know he was famous.

Did her friends and family stage an intervention?

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Rupert Buttermilk posted:

I will never understand the chauvinistic "no fat chicks" mentality when you've got your average white American male looking either this big or slightly smaller. Why are women pretty much expected to put up with that?

God, I was only about twenty pounds overweight when I decided to get off my lazy rear end and hit the gym (and I'm 6'3"). The sad thing is, Artie will probably outlive me...

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

I will never understand the chauvinistic "no fat chicks" mentality when you've got your average white American male looking either this big or slightly smaller. Why are women pretty much expected to put up with that?

Rupert I love ya bro but this post is really stupid

Mr Lance Murdock
Feb 29, 2008

Bones heal. Chicks dig scars. And the United States of America has the best doctor-to-daredevil ratio in the world

beep by grandpa posted:

Rupert I love ya bro but this post is really stupid

"He's a fagggggg"

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

Zoben posted:

That was her, yeah. Man she was purty. I love this pic of them:



Artie, life-long follower of the Bubba the Love Sponge diet.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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beep by grandpa posted:

Rupert I love ya bro but this post is really stupid

I'm just saying judge not lest ye be judged. Double standards are kind of bullshit.

Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jan 8, 2017

Moniker
Mar 16, 2004

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

I'm just saying judge not lest ye be judged. Double standards are kind of bullshit.

You're also just saying that the average American male weighs that size or slightly smaller which is undeniably incorrect.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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Moniker posted:

You're also just saying that the average American male weighs that size or slightly smaller which is undeniably incorrect.

Ok, fair; that was me just being hyperbolic in the 'Americans are fat!' way (Canadians are no different, really).

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS
a 1/3 of the country is obese, not really an insane hyperbole

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Moniker posted:

You're also just saying that the average American male weighs that size or slightly smaller which is undeniably incorrect.

Also that women "have" to put up with obese guys as tho they don't have decision in who they decide to date, one of several condescending takeaways.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

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"Hi, this is Rupert Governale..."

All I was getting at was that it seems as though, in general, it doesn't seem to matter how guys look, but women have to be fit. This is especially apparent with the mentality of those on the show itself.

Unfortunately, I didn't properly express myself in how I wanted to represent myself :negative: For that, I deeply apologize.

The post sucked, I see that now. Carry on with your usual.

Crotch Bat
Dec 6, 2003

Much like with everything else in life, the Euros seem to have more sense on how to do things in a fun atmosphere without sucking the soul out of the event.

CortezFantastic posted:

a 1/3 of the country is obese, not really an insane hyperbole

Most people in that 18-35 range aren't though. Obesity rates among adults are at their lowest in that range, usually in the 15-20% range, although it can be lower or higher depending on the area you live in and the typical diet of said area e.g. the Deep South. Most people stay in some kind of shape while seeking to attract a mate and then later "let themselves go" although that's far from a trend that only applies to men.

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

"Hi, this is Rupert Governale..."

All I was getting at was that it seems as though, in general, it doesn't seem to matter how guys look, but women have to be fit. This is especially apparent with the mentality of those on the show itself.


There are other factors you can bring to the table like money, humor, personality, fame, etc. that can allow people to overlook potential physical flaws and when you know you have those things to bring to the table you can raise your standards. Beth didn't marry Howard because he looks like a Greek god, she married him because he's insanely rich and can provide a lifetime of wealth and security for her. She's fully capable of finding an attractive plumber and working a job of her own but she said nah, that's OK, she'll take the ugly guy with a ton of money. Howard, in response, gets to say he knows he's unattractive but he can provide that wealth and security so he gets to set his bar high.

You're listening to a show full of nothing but unattractive men with some level of fame and wealth. You're also listening to a show full of men who have spent literally decades having women stepping over one another to take their clothes off and be near them in order to grab some of the fame/wealth.

Crotch Bat fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jan 9, 2017

Former Human
Oct 15, 2001

Bonzo posted:

I know she was like, 22 and a working in a tanning salon when they met and he claims she didn't know he was famous.

Like when Dana was a bartender and Artie asked her out a bunch of times and she always turned him down. Then when he got on the Stern show suddenly she agreed :raise:

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DeadBonesBrook
May 31, 2011

How do you do, fellow Regis?

Zoben posted:

That was her, yeah. Man she was purty. I love this pic of them:



Let's play a game of "Spot the rich guy"

I'm kidding of course, she was clearly won over by his heroin-addicted, suicidally depressed personality.

Either that or she just really loves jokes about X substance = needing to walk to St. Louis one weekend.

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