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nexus6 posted:My high school's website had a letter from the principal on the front page including a jpeg of his signature. A couple of guys downloaded the signature image and pasted it into a letter to their classmate telling him he was expelled. The faculty's solution to prevent this from happening again was to block access to their own website for the entire school.
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Segmentation Fault posted:My senior year at high school I had to do research on lobby groups. I tried looking up some LGBT group but it got blocked for the reason "lifestyle." Yeah, I work for a New York school system. There's a minimum filtering requirement from State Ed that's administered by BOCES. Our network guy has to do half the coordinator's job too, and has no time to deal with it. Our default answer to anyone asking why kids can get into youtube is "if students work around our web filter, that falls on Classroom Management. Sorry, you'll have to manage your classroom"
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Nerdrock posted:Yeah, I work for a New York school system. There's a minimum filtering requirement from State Ed that's administered by BOCES. Our network guy has to do half the coordinator's job too, and has no time to deal with it. Our default answer to anyone asking why kids can get into youtube is "if students work around our web filter, that falls on Classroom Management. Sorry, you'll have to manage your classroom" No poo poo? My experience was at a BOCES-run school. I imagine the web filter game today is the same as it was when I was in school: kids find new proxies, the proxies get shared among the population, local sysadmins catch wind and add in a manual block, rinse repeat.
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Feb 29, 2016 19:06
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larchesdanrew posted:We have state mandated firewall filters in place for sex education, AA, suicide prevention, drug prevention, and on and on. You see, if the kids can't learn about any of this, they won't know how to do it and it won't be a problem Their filtering must really work as I cannot find any reference to law for this. I don't doubt the mandate is there, it just seems hard to locate and review. It's the kind of thing I'd think various organizations would explode over if it was enforced this way. There's all of one site referencing communication between the state Attorney General and Google over filtering and site preferences.
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18 Character Limit posted:Their filtering must really work as I cannot find any reference to law for this. I don't doubt the mandate is there, it just seems hard to locate and review. I'd be very surprised if it was an actual law. It's most likely a requirement from the State Dept of Education for schools that receive state funding.
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Feb 29, 2016 19:12
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Segmentation Fault posted:No poo poo? My experience was at a BOCES-run school. yeah. it's even dumber and easier than ever. edit : FUN FACT : boces killed yahoo search for everyone recently, because results weren't getting filtered. My wife (A teacher) called one day exclaiming that a very good student of hers was doing her homework and searching some stuff and flat out hardcore images came up. She immediately informed my wife. Considering Firefox is a popular browser in our district, and the default search is yahoo, this has created quite a mess. Nerdrock fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Feb 29, 2016 |
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Nerdrock posted:yeah. it's even dumber and easier than ever. the most shocking part of all of that is that the machines aren't set to use IE as default. I just remembered that when I was in elementary school the computer lab teacher made us use Ask Jeeves because she thought it was easier to use than other search engines. I got into a fight with another student once over whether Ask Jeeves or Google was better (I was in Team Google), which was a fight absolutely nobody else cared about.
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Segmentation Fault posted:the most shocking part of all of that is that the machines aren't set to use IE as default. Well, we're a Mac district, and Safari sucks poo poo at handling deployed plugins like flash / etc. Once google rolls out supported SSO that ties to AD (it's allegedly coming) , we'll have managed google apps for education accounts working behind the scenes, be able to use Chrome, and poo poo is going to be luxurious.
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Feb 29, 2016 19:38
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larchesdanrew posted:Ours is a high school, but it's for juniors and seniors, so it's not that much better. We're located on a college campus, but our networks are separate. Your efforts in this should be purposefully as tepid and ineffectual as possible, imho. Cut the HD streaming and torrents and call it a day, 'cause, network resources permitting, all you should actually care about is drawing a line that takes a deliberate action to bypass. Anybody doing so is confirming a positive desire to browse to the site in question. The consequence of doing so, and enforcement of that consequence, is somebody else's discretion, frankly.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:03
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flosofl posted:I'd be very surprised if it was an actual law. Yeah, I may have worded that poorly. It's not an actual law, or even a specifically stated mandate, but the gray areas and touchiness of all these subjects results in a de facto zero tolerance policy towards it. No one is saying we HAVE to block drug prevention sites, but if little Johnny says he learned about devil grass on one of these sites and decided to try it and he was on our network or if a parent catches their kid with a condom because he learned about safe sex, then we're liable for a bunch of bullshit lawsuits and hassle from the DoE and potential loss of funds. The alternative is just to block it all entirely. Just like teaching evolution. There's nothing saying you CAN'T teach evolution in public schools around here, but you have to give equal time to creationism and you can't actually say that evolution exists, just that it's an idea some people like to throw around for funsies. Most teachers/schools just adopt a policy of skipping evolution altogether to avoid the hassle of doing it just right and to avoid some kid's pissed off parents bandying lawsuits around because a teacher supposedly gave preferential treatment to monkey ancestry over magic sky man ancestry. It's all a bunch of lawsuit avoidance tapdancing that ends up hurting the kids more than helping anyone at all.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:08
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It's like putting a lock on your front door. It won't actually keep a motivated person out, but it does keep someone who's just curious and has bad judgement from wandering in. If someone breaks down a locked door, there's no question about their motives.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:10
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larchesdanrew posted:Yeah, I may have worded that poorly. It's not an actual law, or even a specifically stated mandate, but the gray areas and touchiness of all these subjects results in a de facto zero tolerance policy towards it. No one is saying we HAVE to block drug prevention sites, but if little Johnny says he learned about devil grass on one of these sites and decided to try it and he was on our network or if a parent catches their kid with a condom because he learned about safe sex, then we're liable for a bunch of bullshit lawsuits and hassle from the DoE and potential loss of funds. The alternative is just to block it all entirely. The future of your state is completely hosed.
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/\/\/\ What's worse is the people who support these policies all vote /\/\/\Dr. Arbitrary posted:It's like putting a lock on your front door. It won't actually keep a motivated person out, but it does keep someone who's just curious and has bad judgement from wandering in. I've always used the phrase "locks only keep out honest thieves". It's a deterrent, not a promise.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:25
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Thanks Ants posted:Your state has been completely hosed since its founding and always will be. There we go.
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larchesdanrew posted:There we go. Just wait until global warming floods 70% of the state because it's like 10 meters above mean high tide. And nothing of value was lost.
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Thanks Ants posted:The future of your state is completely hosed. They just dedicated an entire MONTH to "confederate heritage", so...
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Feb 29, 2016 20:44
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Just wait until global warming floods 70% of the state because it's like 10 meters above mean high tide. And nothing of value was lost. Global what-ing? I had to wear a jacket this morning. That's all a bunch of made-up hogwash by liberal whackjobs and the Chinese. #trump2016
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FireSight posted:They just dedicated an entire MONTH to "confederate heritage", so... we finally got white history month  though given it starts on April 1st I'd like to think this is just part of a brilliant prank
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Feb 29, 2016 20:45
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I've been promised global warming for a long time. I wish it would hurry up.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:47
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Methanar posted:I've been promised global warming for a long time. I dunno, Iowa winters have been pretty great since this whole "global warming" thing kicked off.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:54
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The best thing about Mississippi is for all of its conservative, anti-federalist crap, their state income is like 45% federal aid and they take in the 2nd most aid out of all the states in the US.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:59
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Just wait until global warming floods 70% of the state because it's like 10 meters above mean high tide. And nothing of value was lost. 
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Segmentation Fault posted:we finally got white history month He said "just" as in maybe February was it. I'd like to think that they celebrate confederate history month instead of black history month. That makes it so much worse.
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Feb 29, 2016 21:26
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Yawgmoth posted:Metric is the devil's measurement! It's 40 rods to a furlong and that's the way we likes it! In my HS physics class the prof would take any answer as long as it was correct and you showed your work. After doing the section on unit conversions, we found a list of antiquated, disused, obsolete and otherwise stupid measurement units. Then we converted our work from ft/sec to femtoparsecs per kilohour, or rods per fortnight. Much fun was had.
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There's nothing like an interview to make you feel like you're out of your league. Since web filters were brought up, I have a few questions; does your place of work implement one, and if so, what do they hope to gain by using it? I used to provide technical support to filters and always wondered why people bought them, besides schools of course.
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Yawgmoth posted:Metric is the devil's measurement! It's 40 rods to a furlong and that's the way we likes it!
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Dragyn posted:He said "just" as in maybe February was it. I'd like to think that they celebrate confederate history month instead of black history month. That makes it so much worse. Only on leap years.
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Dragyn posted:He said "just" as in maybe February was it. I'd like to think that they celebrate confederate history month instead of black history month. That makes it so much worse. No, it's April.
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Hasaple posted:Since web filters were brought up, I have a few questions; does your place of work implement one, and if so, what do they hope to gain by using it? K-12 Education, because we pretty much are required to, or to just keep the drat teenagers off porn sites. But unlike others we only block the following, everything else gets logged anyways. 
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Feb 29, 2016 22:00
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Sym posted:K-12 Education, because we pretty much are required to, or to just keep the drat teenagers off porn sites. I like to imagine the part you blacked out is just so foul that you'd be risking a permaban by posting it here.
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Sym posted:K-12 Education, because we pretty much are required to, or to just keep the drat teenagers off porn sites. I like the one category so secret it's blocked even from the administrators.
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Feb 29, 2016 22:02
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It's a custom url list with the district name. I could have cropped the image, but blacking it out was more fun.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:In my HS physics class the prof would take any answer as long as it was correct and you showed your work. After doing the section on unit conversions, we found a list of antiquated, disused, obsolete and otherwise stupid measurement units. Then we converted our work from ft/sec to femtoparsecs per kilohour, or rods per fortnight. Much fun was had. Fun fact: 1 attoparsec per microfortnight is surprisingly close to 1 inch/second. Uses of this in "loving with physicists" are left as an exercise for the reader.
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Feb 29, 2016 22:58
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Is it *. somethingawful.com?
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larchesdanrew posted:But at least they can't watch netflix. Wanna bet? 
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Hasaple posted:There's nothing like an interview to make you feel like you're out of your league. We block very little. Has to be pretty much hate speech (I found it funny that Trump's campaign website fell into that catagory last update) and hardcore porn. Everything is logged of course.
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A ticket went to our WiFi hardware vendor. Their management engine is hosted via AWS instances with a heavy-handed IPS policy. We are slowly rolling out building wide installs to all of our schools and this is now the second install in a row to have our instance blacklist the school's external IP after configuring 1/4 of the devices. The real problem is that DevOps still hasn't shared this tidbit with T1 or T2 since it first nailed us late last year. Instead you have to argue for an hour with outsourced T1 and watch as they try the same configuration upload over and over, insisting it's the element trying to load and not the actual loading process. Then, when DevOps finally gets back to them, it only works briefly because T1 had them reset the blacklist but not actually whitelist the IP  Still, at least it's one more site that I get to seek & destroy any consumer Netgears that were put in as "We want WiFi now!" attempts (and never used anyway).
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DigitalRaven posted:Fun fact: 1 attoparsec per microfortnight is surprisingly close to 1 inch/second. Uses of this in "loving with physicists" are left as an exercise for the reader. Honestly, if a professor allowed this kind of thing as long as you showed your work, they would most likely be thrilled that you went out of your way to do so. Oh sure it takes them more time to verify that you're correct, but you've demonstrated that you've A) Internalized the lesson and B) cared enough to apply it in an unorthodox way. It probably makes their whole day. Some of these guys you just know belong in research labs coming up with new science, they're so loving smart, but instead they're teaching for whatever reason. I can't imagine how depressing it must be to stand in front of an unending parade of high school students or undergrads, people you know are just taking your course because it's a requirement, year after year. But, just occasionally, one of your students asks an intelligent question or does something creative with the material, something they would have had to put conscious thought into and be curious about the subject that you've spent the bulk of your life mastering. I imagine that would be a pretty satisfying moment.
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Knormal posted:I think in Mississippi they measure elevation above sea level by what animal's knees the water would come up to. I think you guys are confusing Mississippi with Louisiana or maybe Florida. They have very little coastline, and yeah there's a big fuckoff river along one side, but the mean elevation is still like 300 feet. Quick quiz--what state has the lowest mean elevation?
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Che Delilas posted:Honestly, if a professor allowed this kind of thing as long as you showed your work, they would most likely be thrilled that you went out of your way to do so. Oh sure it takes them more time to verify that you're correct, but you've demonstrated that you've A) Internalized the lesson and B) cared enough to apply it in an unorthodox way. It probably makes their whole day. I had teachers in high school and college who encouraged work like this - basically, think outside the box or apply what you learned in an unusual way. Even my high school English teacher gave a couple extra credit assignments, one being to finish one of the Canterbury Tales (can't recall which off hand). I think I was one of maybe three people who picked that one, we had to finish the tale in the same rhyme scheme and language, and it had to be minimum 4 pages, single spaced. I somehow got into a rhythm and ended up writing like 9 pages worth of stuff to finish the tale, the only mistake I made in the whole thing was missing a comma in a sentence on like the 4th page. The smile on the teacher's face and his eyes lighting up was great, he ended up keeping a copy to show to other classes  dude was awesome and one of my favorite teachers.
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