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For my comedic mockery of criminals I use small town murder
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I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) and thinking about what a sudden, dissonant, and ignominious end murder is to someone's life. Like, you have a 500 page novel about all of their experiences as a child, growing up, meeting a romantic partner, getting married, having kids and a career, and growing old, and then bam, in the very last sentence of the book, without foreshadowing, you have something like "and then she was raped, murdered, and dismembered" and their lasting legacy is as a victim. Not that it didn't occur to me that being murdered isn't an ideal way to go, just that it overshadows everything a person might do or be in their life and recasts them as a character in some other hosed up person's story. edit: Or as content for someone's hyuk hyuk crime podcast.
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Jul 2, 2022 20:15
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I still am enjoying RedHanded, though last time I brought them up I think people said they shill their merch and patreon too much but I can't really blame them, they deserve to make money 
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Jul 2, 2022 21:27
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BrianRx posted:I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) and thinking about what a sudden, dissonant, and ignominious end murder is to someone's life. Like, you have a 500 page novel about all of their experiences as a child, growing up, meeting a romantic partner, getting married, having kids and a career, and growing old, and then bam, in the very last sentence of the book, without foreshadowing, you have something like "and then she was raped, murdered, and dismembered" and their lasting legacy is as a victim. This is something I really like about the podcast You're Wrong About--the host Sarah Marshall has this philosophy of radical empathy and when she does true crime stuff, she always includes a part about the victims as people. Her recent Dyatlov Pass episode went into the friendships among the camping club members and their background and how they were turned from real people into folktale figures. it's very good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-VAI1GIFB0
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Jul 3, 2022 02:19
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:This is something I really like about the podcast You're Wrong About--the host Sarah Marshall has this philosophy of radical empathy and when she does true crime stuff, she always includes a part about the victims as people. Her recent Dyatlov Pass episode went into the friendships among the camping club members and their background and how they were turned from real people into folktale figures. I love You're Wrong About (though I still miss the rapport Sarah and Michael Hobbes had). She always grounds the show in the idea that none of us is too smart to not do something stupid, or have something stupid happen to us.
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Jul 3, 2022 02:42
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Tenkaris posted:I still am enjoying RedHanded, though last time I brought them up I think people said they shill their merch and patreon too much but I can't really blame them, they deserve to make money I think both are true (I like them, they do research, they are respectful of victims, but also the ads and shilling are kind of a lot). I like All Killa, No Filla when they are actually talking about the crime, but the digressions and comedy bits are getting too long and too frequent.
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Jul 3, 2022 06:07
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BrianRx posted:I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) At a certain point I can't help but question whether the police just straight up allowed poo poo to continue for some reason
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Jul 3, 2022 06:43
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Wasabi the J posted:At a certain point I can't help but question whether the police just straight up allowed poo poo to continue for some reason Oh, no doubt. There were at least 5 or 6 serial killers operating simultaneously in LA at one time in the late 70's to early 80's. They prioritized the white blondes being strangled in the Hollywood Hills a bit more than than homeless people being stabbed on skid row.
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Jul 3, 2022 06:58
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BrianRx posted:I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) and thinking about what a sudden, dissonant, and ignominious end murder is to someone's life. Like, you have a 500 page novel about all of their experiences as a child, growing up, meeting a romantic partner, getting married, having kids and a career, and growing old, and then bam, in the very last sentence of the book, without foreshadowing, you have something like "and then she was raped, murdered, and dismembered" and their lasting legacy is as a victim. Spoilered for a really depressing thought The part that scares me most is how quickly it can all be over (and more horrifyingly not), but just imagining struggling and confused too much to think any meaningful thoughts about loved ones before you're just gone (hopefully). That chaos is what frightens me every time as a woman I am in a place with little people around to call for help if I needed, and that I should be saying my blessings every moment cause I might not be able to in the end. I weep especially for those deaths. Sorry if that brought out anything, but i dont think i am alone in that fear, and not only from being a woman of course, its a big fear for a lot of us.
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Jul 3, 2022 11:32
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BrianRx posted:I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) and thinking about what a sudden, dissonant, and ignominious end murder is to someone's life. Like, you have a 500 page novel about all of their experiences as a child, growing up, meeting a romantic partner, getting married, having kids and a career, and growing old, and then bam, in the very last sentence of the book, without foreshadowing, you have something like "and then she was raped, murdered, and dismembered" and their lasting legacy is as a victim. idk, I have a second cousin who was murdered in quite a grueseome way. We weren't close at all (we hadn't seen each other for over 25 years when it happened) but it's certainly not all I think of when I think about her. Then again, for everyone who didn't know the victim, that impression is probably true.
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Jul 3, 2022 12:06
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Pope Hilarius II posted:idk, I have a second cousin who was murdered in quite a grueseome way. We weren't close at all (we hadn't seen each other for over 25 years when it happened) but it's certainly not all I think of when I think about her. Then again, for everyone who didn't know the victim, that impression is probably true. I figure that's why it's important to remember to respect the victims when you discuss this stuff. The victimhood is almost inevitably going to be the most interesting thing about the person to a total stranger. I think I've said in this thread before I was at the 2016 Nice terrorist attack, and like- that's far from the most important thing in my life, but I can't blame a stranger for wanting to hear what that was like, instead of how cool it was when my dad took me to see star wars and let me buy two different candies. Just remember that people are people with huge internal lives just like yours.
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Jul 3, 2022 16:56
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Pope Hilarius II posted:idk, I have a second cousin who was murdered in quite a grueseome way. We weren't close at all (we hadn't seen each other for over 25 years when it happened) but it's certainly not all I think of when I think about her. Then again, for everyone who didn't know the victim, that impression is probably true. I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. It's the last sentence that I think is what I was getting at. I'm glad your memory of them isn't overshadowed by the way they died. I have a friend whose brother was murdered by his partner in a bad way; for them, the end is the most prominent thought though it doesn't erase all of the other parts either. Wasabi the J posted:At a certain point I can't help but question whether the police just straight up allowed poo poo to continue for some reason They really may as well not have been involved at all. Ramirez was caught almost as soon as the SFPD got involved and was apprehended by the public. They almost took care of the "justice" part too.
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Jul 3, 2022 21:58
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Someone blew up the Georgia Guidstones.
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Jul 7, 2022 02:59
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Jul 7, 2022 03:05
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Gaius Marius posted:Someone blew up the Georgia Guidstones.  That’s a half-assed alias if I’ve ever seen one. NYT article (if anyone is paywalled and desperately needs to read the article, let me know. I’m the idiot paying every month until I’ll remember to cancel it someday.)
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Jul 7, 2022 03:19
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I also have NYT access so anyone is welcome to PM me if needed (for this thread or whatever).
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Jul 7, 2022 03:27
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Here’s an unpaywalled local article.
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Jul 7, 2022 03:48
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Mart Clamp
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Jul 7, 2022 03:54
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Strong Colgy P energy
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Jul 7, 2022 03:57
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Longmont Potion Castle rear end name
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Jul 7, 2022 06:30
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its a good thing overall that some maniac with the means and motive to deploy high explosives in a political act, did so and clued investigators in to their presence without killing anyone or damaging anything of consequence its just a shame that the town known for its granite quarrying and carving industry can't replace this carved granite monument easily. too bad they need a mysterious businessman to pay for the monument and they can't, like, just whip one up utilizing already existing material and techniques at cost
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Jul 7, 2022 06:54
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The Christmas Tree Lady has been identified through a DNA network finding her siblings! In case you don’t walk around with an encyclopedic collection of Doe Network cases in your head: On December 18th, 1996 freshly starting their workday at 9am, a groundskeeper at the Pleasant Valley Memorial Park Cemetery in Annandale Virginia stumbled upon a peculiar scene. Near the infant burial portion of the cemetery known as “Babyland” stood an 8 inch tall Christmas tree, decked out with gold ball ornaments and red ribbon. What he saw beyond the tree really drew his concern. Sprawled on a tarp, he found a lifeless body with a plastic bag over its head. Detectives Richard Perez and Mike Headley arrived around 9:40am and found the deceased to be still warm, indicating that whatever had happened had been recent. It wasn’t long before they discovered the notes in her pockets. She carried no identification, but only two sealed envelopes addressed each to the cemetery and the coroner. Each envelope contained $50 and a typed letter. “Deceased by own hand. . . . Prefer no autopsy. Please order cremation, with funds provided. Thank you, Jane Doe.” In addition to the clothes on her body and her decorated Christmas Tree, the Annandale Jane Doe also carried some personal effects in a small, green knapsack. In it, she had bifocals with translucent frames, a red scarf, an empty bottle of brandy and two empty bottles of juice, I believe they were peach and mango, as well as a plastic drinking cup. Also in the backpack were two cassette tapes- Jeff Foxworthy’s “You might be a redneck” and a recording of Monty Python’s the Holy Grail. On her body at discovery, they also found a walkman with a tape recording of famous comedians Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner doing their “2000 Year old Man” routine. It appears she was listening to this at the time of her passing. Perhaps most unusual was the children’s sized Minnie Mouse fanny pack. It was too small to hold even a pencil, and it was well loved, held together with tape and safety pins. Lastly, she carried a typewritten poem that many speculate she may have written herself. “Now I lay me down to sleep. Soon to drift to the eternal deep. And though I die and shall not wake Sleep sweeter will be than this life I forsake.” Despite Jane Doe’s wishes, under the circumstances she was given an autopsy. Between those findings and the deliberate scene, it was surmised that she had taken her own life by drinking brandy, taking valium pills, and taping a plastic bag over her head. The official cause of death was listed as asphyxiation, manner of death was suicide.
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Jul 8, 2022 20:46
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Busket Posket posted:The Christmas Tree Lady has been identified through a DNA network finding her siblings! The discovery of her identity reveals surprisingly little, except maybe that she didn’t get along with her family.
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Jul 8, 2022 23:38
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BrianRx posted:I was watching the Richard Ramirez documentary on Netflix (goddamn the LAPD is/was useless) and thinking about what a sudden, dissonant, and ignominious end murder is to someone's life. Like, you have a 500 page novel about all of their experiences as a child, growing up, meeting a romantic partner, getting married, having kids and a career, and growing old, and then bam, in the very last sentence of the book, without foreshadowing, you have something like "and then she was raped, murdered, and dismembered" and their lasting legacy is as a victim.
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Jul 9, 2022 01:17
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Wasabi the J posted:At a certain point I can't help but question whether the police just straight up allowed poo poo to continue for some reason The SFPD has been refusing to do their jobs until the progressive DA was turfed out in a dodgy recall election.
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Jul 10, 2022 09:18
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https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/kuper-island/id1623248767 This podcast explores a Residential School in British Columbia where many hosed up and terrible things happened to Indigenous children. These children were beaten for speaking their native language and made to convert to Christianity to make them "white".
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Jul 16, 2022 03:44
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That was every residential school in Canada. My girlfriend's dad grew up in one and the government is dragging its loving heels in giving each survivor $40,000 in compensation.
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Jul 16, 2022 08:12
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Metaline posted:That was every residential school in Canada. My girlfriend's dad grew up in one and the government is dragging its loving heels in giving each survivor $40,000 in compensation. This is deliberate because the more that don't get the cash before they die the more  they save. The West Australian government is currently doing that with stolen wages they were meant to be keeping safe for Aboriginal people who were not trusted with their own wages. Turns out it all went missing somehow and they'll find out exactly who took it so they can give it back any day now.
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Jul 16, 2022 08:37
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Metaline posted:That was every residential school. They did the same thing here in the States.
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Jul 16, 2022 15:27
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Fighting Trousers posted:They did the same thing here in the States. Yeah I didn't know if they did it in the States so I over-explained.  It's still a worthwhile listen for how hosed up the whole thing is. The way they made the kids stare at a hanging body of another kid. 
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Jul 16, 2022 17:40
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Busket Posket posted:The Christmas Tree Lady has been identified through a DNA network finding her siblings! Not available here, can someone summarise?
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Jul 16, 2022 17:59
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eating only apples posted:Not available here, can someone summarise? Very little information is provided. Basically they now know who she was because her sibilings/family provided dna to prove a match so we have a name, but theres not other information provided really.
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Jul 16, 2022 18:19
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eating only apples posted:Not available here, can someone summarise? A body was found in the late 90s in a public park in Northern Virginia with no identification on it, a note in the pockets that the person wanted to commit suicide and had money to cover cremation (along with some other things like the music and comedy tapes she was apparently listening to on a Walkman possibly as she was dying?) and there was this foot tall fake decorated Christmas tree that was next to her body, which got her the moniker Christmas tree lady. Forensic genealogy found surviving family in Iowa. Apparently she was estranged from her family by her own choice. https://dnasolves.com/articles/christmas_tree_lady_joyce_sommers/#:~:text=The%20woman%20known%20for%20a,the%20oldest%20of%205%20siblings https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/genealogists-help-solve-mystery-christmas-tree-lady-found-dead-cemetery-1996 https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2022/07/07/christmas-tree-lady-identified
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Inceltown posted:This is deliberate because the more that don't get the cash before they die the more
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Jul 18, 2022 02:42
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well, at least shes not loving the turkeys
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Jul 18, 2022 13:48
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Jesus, what must her dancing be like
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Jul 18, 2022 16:58
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Good story.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:10
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:well, at least shes not loving the turkeys Perfect thread title
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