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elon musk can do it, he just needs hundreds of millions of dollars in government handouts, and a couple billion in investor money, but he'll come up with solution that will save half those boys, you better believe a third of them will make it out
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Sagebrush posted:???? they're everywhere Not everywhere ENOUGH!
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Did you even read my comment? I. Don’t. Know. quote:But there has to be a better idea than the one that even if it doesn’t kill the kids, will result in a trauma that they may never get over (six hours of being bound and dragged underwater). quote:And there are some great minds outside of Thailand, and folks with access to equipment and technology that the Thai rescuers may not have. What’s so wrong with outsiders attempting to lend their expertise?
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Jul 6, 2018 20:27
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Sagebrush posted:???? they're everywhere Actually I think you'll find that without this infernal device the saw will perform the traumatic finger amputation entirely for free
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Jul 6, 2018 20:49
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:
And it should be pointed out that theres already plenty of international assistance, for example it was British divers that found them in the first place.
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Jul 6, 2018 20:50
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Sagebrush posted:???? they're everywhere When the mechanism itself first came out, the inventor tried to shop it around to all the big tool companies but nobody wanted to implement it because lol capitalism and liability fears in the United States. Dude ended up saying gently caress it and Saw Stop makes the whole table saw with the safety mechanism implemented because I'm guessing he's a woodworker who likes having all of his fingers and not a bean counter who doesn't give a poo poo about workplace safety if it affects the bottom line. Apparently their table saws are pretty decent machines on their own merits.
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Jul 6, 2018 21:16
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Saw a truck with weird giant keg like tanks and a small crane on it today. It was covered with Poison placards, I saw no less than 6 placards from the back and right side of the truck. I passed the truck and it said "chlorine" on the side of it so I sped the gently caress up and got far away, big nope. 
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Coxswain Balls posted:When the mechanism itself first came out, the inventor tried to shop it around to all the big tool companies but nobody wanted to implement it because lol capitalism and liability fears in the United States. Dude ended up saying gently caress it and Saw Stop makes the whole table saw with the safety mechanism implemented because I'm guessing he's a woodworker who likes having all of his fingers and not a bean counter who doesn't give a poo poo about workplace safety if it affects the bottom line. They didn't want to implement it because he was demanding exorbitant licensing fees, and he's since started suing companies for patent infringement for coming up with their own different auto-stop setups. Last year Bosch was banned from selling their saws (along with replacement blades/parts) that use a different stopping mechanism.
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Jul 6, 2018 21:32
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C.M. Kruger posted:They didn't want to implement it because he was demanding exorbitant licensing fees, and he's since started suing companies for patent infringement for coming up with their own different auto-stop setups. Last year Bosch was banned from selling their saws (along with replacement blades/parts) that use a different stopping mechanism. I said "lol capitalism"
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Jul 6, 2018 21:38
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It's such a ridiculously good safety feature that imo the government should nationalize his patent and make it mandatory for all manufacturers to implement if they want to sell table saws in the USA. Pay him like 40 million by cancelling one helicopter purchase or something
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Collateral Damage posted:I'd rather have to replace the blade and a few components in the saw table than sew my hand back together. Or otherwise make sure that your emergency sewing machine doesn't stop on contact with skin, either.
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You don't ever want to knock someone out without being in complete control of the environment. What you can do is give them something that will relax them and make them compliant while still being able to move. I can't remember what they gave me for laser eye surgery but it was nice as hell and turned what might be a traumatic experience as you can smell your eyes burning, to something pleasant despite knowing and remembering fully what happened. Unfortunately it has a fairly short half-life, certainly far too short for the hours long journey but there might be something more suitable. Elon musk isn't all talk. His twitter ideas can be dumb but the people who are/might doing the heavy lifting aren't. Tesla/Hyper loop is a poo poo show but he has come through multiple times when it comes to assistance and deliverables. Tesla is a case of you can't win them all and him getting too personal making a mess instead of leaving it to his top people like he should be doing. Also ground penetrating RADAR is a thing and difficulty of drill a hole depends on the size. Drills today can do some pretty amazing things snaking in almost whatever direction you want to a surprisingly high accuracy. Drilling there isn't the issue as you can case the hole as you drill. The break through is going to be the problem. CO2 can be scrubbed by heating the lime stone and bubbling the gas away into the water, then re-exposing it but that has it's own problems. If CO2 was the problem they would have died ages ago as that is surprisingly lethal.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Did you even read my comment? I. Don’t. Know. But there has to be a better idea than the one that even if it doesn’t kill the kids, will result in a trauma that they may never get over (six hours of being bound and dragged underwater). And there are some great minds outside of Thailand, and folks with access to equipment and technology that the Thai rescuers may not have. What’s so wrong with outsiders attempting to lend their expertise? There's a lot of options essentially playing out simultaneously, with tying them up and dragging them out being floated because every other option requires that the children remain safe for an indeterminate period of time, which might not necessarily be the case. Right now, it looks like the options go like this: 1) Pump the water down to a level that they can walk out. BUT.... getting equipment into place that can do this looks like it might take months and with the monsoon rains coming, this might not be technically possible. 2) Keep water levels low enough that they can keep them from drowning and wait months for the water to recede naturally. BUT.... there's no guarantee that they can keep up and even if they can, air quality might degrade beyond the ability to survive. 3) Either drill into the passage directly from outside or drill parts of the passage open enough to make the passage out navigable by weakened, frightened children. BUT.... any drilling carries the very serious risk of collapsing the cave, because this area hasn't been surveyed at all, and to make sure that they do not cause said collapses, they need time to make this happen. Whether they have the time to make this happen, and whether they can do so before the water level lowers naturally in a few months is unknown. 4) Get the kids out the same way rescuers are getting in. BUT....cave diving is dangerous in the extreme even to experienced divers and mistakes could potentially kill not just the child, but also rescuers and depending on what happens, could even block the only escape route if they get stuck at a particularly bad place. All this is why they'd actually prefer to keep them underground until the waters recede naturally or they can pump out the water. BUT... they might not have that option. If the water rises uncontrollably or the air becomes toxic, they may have no choice but to try to have rescuers move the kids out past the underwater sections as best they can. From there, it's a choice whether them being free moving is more or less risky to all involved than bundling them up. I'll have a Baconator combo supersized and can you add a large frosty to that too? Thanks. Azathoth fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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O...oh. Okay forget lowering the road.
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Jul 6, 2018 23:45
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This is totally someone bragging about making totally being able to make "that jump" and then deciding against it way too late. Okay probably not given the lack of cones but it would still be funny.
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Sagebrush posted:
There's an idea. Stick Musk in an underwater cave with a box of scraps and wait.
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The Lone Badger posted:There's an idea. Stick Musk in an underwater cave with a box of scraps and wait. His boring company would come to save him!
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Coxswain Balls posted:When the mechanism itself first came out, the inventor tried to shop it around to all the big tool companies but nobody wanted to implement it because lol capitalism and liability fears in the United States. Dude ended up saying gently caress it and Saw Stop makes the whole table saw with the safety mechanism implemented because I'm guessing he's a woodworker who likes having all of his fingers and not a bean counter who doesn't give a poo poo about workplace safety if it affects the bottom line. I remember when it came out years ago. I thought it would be a godsend for every school woodshop (do they even have shop anymore?). I had a teacher in shop that took two tries to take his entire thumb. It was like the "Mr. Butterfingers" scene from UHF. They did an OK job putting it back on the first time. On the second one, there was no hope. Several kids got nicked on the table saw too. All fingers retained, but stitches were involved. I'd love to see the saw implemented more. I don't know if it would ever work on a job site, but in general production, saving one finger will save 10's of thousands in comp payments for the company. Our rate goes up even if someone stubs their toe because they're clumsy. I can't imagine what losing a finger does to your rates.
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mostlygray posted:I can't imagine what losing a finger does to your rates.
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mostlygray posted:I remember when it came out years ago. I thought it would be a godsend for every school woodshop (do they even have shop anymore?). I had a teacher in shop that took two tries to take his entire thumb. It was like the "Mr. Butterfingers" scene from UHF. They did an OK job putting it back on the first time. On the second one, there was no hope. Several kids got nicked on the table saw too. All fingers retained, but stitches were involved. In theater school our teacher always warned us against wearing rings near the table saws, since if the ring gets caught it'll deglove the finger 
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FizFashizzle posted:In theater school our teacher always warned us against wearing rings near the table saws, since if the ring gets caught it'll deglove the finger osha: the musical
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did anyone suggest they use rope yet for the thai cave rescue?
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what about a goon in a well
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Sagebrush posted:It's such a ridiculously good safety feature that imo the government should nationalize his patent and make it mandatory for all manufacturers to implement if they want to sell table saws in the USA. this was the argument that got fingerprint recognition systems on handguns killed
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so is everything needed there at the cave? would like the army corps showing up help or anything?
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HardDiskD posted:what about a goon in a well I know you have a peeing on kids fetish but this is not the time.
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Jul 7, 2018 03:39
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Suck the remaining atmosphere out of the cave until the water boils off at room temperature.
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Could the kids be liquified, pumped through a pipe, and then reconstituted at the other end of the pipe??
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HardDiskD posted:what about a goon in a well That goon's been digging down for 8-9 years now, should be just about ready to break through into that cave system any day now.
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Jul 7, 2018 03:55
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That's bad because the piss will flood the cave 
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BrewingTea posted:He was a visual learner Well I'm sure he learnt something
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Stexils posted:woulndt it be very-difficult-bordering-on-impossible to detect where on the surface they needed to drill to create tunnels down to the cavern and then do so while ensuring they don't just collapse everything? Trivial to impossible, depending on the size of shaft you want to sink.
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Yes, drat musk, for wanting to use his available money and resources to help. drat him to hell.
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IPCRESS posted:Trivial to impossible, depending on the size of shaft you want to sink. i unfurl the measuring tape, slam it down on one end of the mountain with my heel, and start hiking. i'll tell you how big i want it soon.
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Jul 7, 2018 04:46
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New season of Curb your Enthusiasm shaping up.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Did you even read my comment? I. Don’t. Know. But there has to be a better idea than the one that even if it doesn’t kill the kids, will result in a trauma that they may never get over (six hours of being bound and dragged underwater). And there are some great minds outside of Thailand, and folks with access to equipment and technology that the Thai rescuers may not have. What’s so wrong with outsiders attempting to lend their expertise? Because the actual great minds are already helping instead of brainstorming on twitter. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Professor of Cats posted:Yes, drat musk, for wanting to use his available money and resources to help. drat him to hell. The object of mockery is the dipshits praying to His Holiness Saint Musk for a miraculous intercession, not Ol' Musky himself, so cool your jets.
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oohhboy posted:Elon musk isn't all talk. He absolutely is. Professor of Cats posted:Yes, drat musk, for wanting to use his available money and resources to help. drat him to hell. He's using it as an opportunity to advertise his drilling company and inflate his own ego via twitter.
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