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Kheldarn posted:My last thought is that they REALLY need to make sure Minor NPCs don't use the same model parts as Major NPCs. When we talked to the guy who was with Lou at the end, all I saw was Thancred. That Was Thancred
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You know, in retrospect, it is amazing how much epilogue and nostalgia stuff Heavensward and Ishgard gets compared to everything else. It's own epilogue questline, the restoration, Estinien in general... I understand it's the first expansion and all but it kind of seems excessive.
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Aug 28, 2023 03:28
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Hellioning posted:You know, in retrospect, it is amazing how much epilogue and nostalgia stuff Heavensward and Ishgard gets compared to everything else. It's own epilogue questline, the restoration, Estinien in general... I understand it's the first expansion and all but it kind of seems excessive. Also, sad elf men
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Aug 28, 2023 03:34
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Hellioning posted:You know, in retrospect, it is amazing how much epilogue and nostalgia stuff Heavensward and Ishgard gets compared to everything else. It's own epilogue questline, the restoration, Estinien in general... I understand it's the first expansion and all but it kind of seems excessive. Because HW is kinda when this game made it, in terms of player count. SB not so much. Neither as meteoric as SHB but all those npc's aren't on the source and they don't celebrate the rising on the 1st (uhh I guess?).
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Aug 28, 2023 03:37
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Hellioning posted:You know, in retrospect, it is amazing how much epilogue and nostalgia stuff Heavensward and Ishgard gets compared to everything else. It's own epilogue questline, the restoration, Estinien in general... I understand it's the first expansion and all but it kind of seems excessive. It is technically our official adoptive home.
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Aug 28, 2023 03:37
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Also the other expacs got most if not all of those things. HW's are just more involved because a lot of them were back filled after getting multiple trial forms in other formats. Like the restoration is just kind of the Doman restoration but bigger and more involved and using content that was already made but had been retooled for it. The crystallarium and Sharlya cut the rebuilding and instead got to have the entire DoH/DoL side content focused entirely on the regional specific problems and writing. ShB's epilogue got written into the MSQ in 5.3, EW has it as the tataru questline and the beast tribes and the Omega questlines. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Aug 28, 2023 |
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Aug 28, 2023 03:38
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Hellioning posted:You know, in retrospect, it is amazing how much epilogue and nostalgia stuff Heavensward and Ishgard gets compared to everything else. It's own epilogue questline, the restoration, Estinien in general... I understand it's the first expansion and all but it kind of seems excessive. The worst part about this isn't actually that Ishgard doesn't deserve it--because yeah, every individual part of it makes sense and it's kinda just got all that by sheer longetivity--but that it's led to Ishgard Likers within the fanbase getting really entitled and narrow-focused. That surely everything will somehow lead to Ishgard content, we'll get an Ishgard variant dungeon with Aymeric before going anywhere else with them, and come to think of it, hasn't Aymeric been really neglected over time, since the last time he got a voice line was sometime in Shadowbringers, and he's only had the Ishgardian restoration and Endwalker caster role quest since! (They of course, do not care that Hien hasn't had a line since Stormblood.) It's inevitable that whenever we learn there's a 'slot' for future content, but don't yet know what it is, that the leading guess will be 'Something Ishgardian' not because it's plausible or interesting, but because a huge swathe of the community has a huge crush on Aymeric and still thinks we should get Haurchefant Mourning Content. Garlemald Likers are in the same place right now, but in that case it's kinda funny. Dawntrail is the first time that the Empire isn't a major bullet point on an expansion outline, and they don't really know how to deal with it and are just randomly speculating 'maybe there's a Garlean Legion that's been in Tural this whole time, you don't know'.
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I think one factor is that Ishgard is *everything* in Heavensward. It's our starting city, the full focus of the plot, home to the characters we like, every other expansion those are spread around. We might do stuff in Kugane but we're not interacting with the power players. Doma likes us but their only city is the Enclave. Ala Mhigo's got a nice city full of people who could talk about changes but it's not fleshed out for exploration since Rhalgr's is the camp there. Similar attention split for Crystarium/Eulmore and Radz/Sharlayan.
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Aug 28, 2023 04:14
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Bruceski posted:I think one factor is that Ishgard is *everything* in Heavensward. It's our starting city, the full focus of the plot, home to the characters we like, every other expansion those are spread around. We might do stuff in Kugane but we're not interacting with the power players. Doma likes us but their only city is the Enclave. Ala Mhigo's got a nice city full of people who could talk about changes but it's not fleshed out for exploration since Rhalgr's is the camp there. Similar attention split for Crystarium/Eulmore and Radz/Sharlayan. This makes the most sense to me, yes, thank you.
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Aug 28, 2023 04:30
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Bruceski posted:I think one factor is that Ishgard is *everything* in Heavensward. It's our starting city, the full focus of the plot, home to the characters we like, every other expansion those are spread around. We might do stuff in Kugane but we're not interacting with the power players. Doma likes us but their only city is the Enclave. Ala Mhigo's got a nice city full of people who could talk about changes but it's not fleshed out for exploration since Rhalgr's is the camp there. Similar attention split for Crystarium/Eulmore and Radz/Sharlayan. Well there is Idyllshire, which gets a lot of stuff going on too to be fair. I'd actually say the Crystarium does get a lot of the similar focus that Ishgard gets when it is "plausible". But from a narrative perspective the Crystarium has a problem where it's a place that only the Warrior of Light can be at from the main cast, and we didn't quite flesh out anyone but the Scions/G'raha on the First during ShB to begin with.
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Heavensward annoyed me because Ishgard is actually on the periphery for most of the 3.0 story. They've got a minor foothold in Coerthas Western Highlands, a toehold in the Sea of Clouds (which might as well be floating off over the middle of the Burn for all of a sense of place it has), and that's it, you don't even have to check in with the city much beyond a few progress reports to Aymeric. The Dravanian Forelands and the Churning Mists are, sort of the dragon part of the world, though they've got about as much space as the Ishgardians do in the first two areas with the trappers and gnath and moogles about elsewhere. A third of it is running about with Estinien and Ysayle, a third is running errands back in ARR zones, and then finally it's goblins, vanu vanu, and allagans again. Your big cheers are for going off to kill the pope and his knights right after everyone in Ishgard was gearing up for a big fight with Nidhogg's bunch.
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Rand Brittain posted:Is it just me or is Nhagi threatening to join the MSQ? That's practically unprecedented for a character from the seasonal events, isn't it?
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also someday they'll make ala mhigo an actual city. i believe.
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Endorph posted:also someday they'll make ala mhigo an actual city. i believe. drat, dreamin big here
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Endorph posted:also someday they'll make ala mhigo an actual city. i believe. Have any of the other major cities started out as a part of the larger overworld map before becoming its own zone?
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God Hole posted:Have any of the other major cities started out as a part of the larger overworld map before becoming its own zone? Coerthas/Ishgard. You could really twist the question to fit Sharlayan into it, but we'd all know you're bullshitting.
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I think Radz/Thavnair were on the map starting from Stormblood but we had no idea what it was like until we visited. Big fan of the place imo, it certainly isn't typical for fantasy while still feeling grounded (ish)
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:The Louisoux quest was also cool, nice to include some 1.X lore inside the game beyond Coils. Though not having the twins give a word about the grandpa they emulated was something I disliked, but I guess the biographer wanted mostly Eorzean points of views of Louisoux in his final days. I think this is more of a game limitation thing -- its a lvl 50 quest and the writing doesn't know where you would be in the msq at the time. I guess you could have old model boy wonder Alphanaud show up for a line or two but that would be weird for anyone who has gotten to Heavensward
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Nessus posted:I think Radz/Thavnair were on the map starting from Stormblood but we had no idea what it was like until we visited. Big fan of the place imo, it certainly isn't typical for fantasy while still feeling grounded (ish) We had the context of 'home of alchemy' I think from 2.0. I can't tell quite when it was known to be Fantasy India, but at the latest I'd say that was 3.0, with the Thavnairian glamor sets.
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The next Rising short story is out, and oh poo poo, it's a story specifically to appeal to me and literally nobody else, about a character only I like! ...so we got an answer as to 'where did the body go', but not an answer to 'who moved the body?'
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Well considering where his body went, it wouldn't be entirely unfair to guess that he did, and that he had just barely enough strength to bring himself to die at his daughters' graves. A heroic effort and tragic end for a guy who went unliked by a lot of people.
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Yeah, I agree that's the most likely solution to that mystery. The story also puts a new light on Ran'jit being so obsessed with keeping Ryne locked up. Not only because the trauma of all the previous Minfillias dying, but also because Vauthry (the man who could hold control over the otherwise endless Sin Eaters) wished her to be dead and her future selves too, and he thought it was the only way for Vauthry not to kill her. I do wonder how did Vauthry dream of that. Is it because as part Sin Eater he's connected to the light like Minfillia? Was it a power of his? Or did an Ascian give him the dream? (Last one not likely, just throwing ideas out)
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Cleretic posted:We had the context of 'home of alchemy' I think from 2.0. I can't tell quite when it was known to be Fantasy India, but at the latest I'd say that was 3.0, with the Thavnairian glamor sets. The HW Alc questline had Thavnarian clothing that doesn't look like the as-we-now-know Thavnair type of design though, right? Unless I'm severely misremembering. I was just wondering about this the other day actually, when Thavnair became Thavnair if you know what I mean.
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Cleretic posted:We had the context of 'home of alchemy' I think from 2.0. I can't tell quite when it was known to be Fantasy India, but at the latest I'd say that was 3.0, with the Thavnairian glamor sets. 
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A nice story, but I'm not sure the middle of a standoff with a Reaper who's trying to kill you is the right time to fall into a reverie.
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TheWorldsaStage posted:The HW Alc questline had Thavnarian clothing that doesn't look like the as-we-now-know Thavnair type of design though, right? Unless I'm severely misremembering. I was just wondering about this the other day actually, when Thavnair became Thavnair if you know what I mean.
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I'm just amused that Thavnarian food's spicy tendencies led to my realization that one of my long-standing characters loves spicy food - something I should have realized a long time ago, given other details I know about him.
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Bruceski posted:A nice story, but I'm not sure the middle of a standoff with a Reaper who's trying to kill you is the right time to fall into a reverie. There was no standoff. The Reaper tried to ambush Thancred, got parried, and was knocked out by Thancred's counterattack. Bringer of Shadow, Bringer of Light posted:A solitary creak of leather served as a prelude to the attack. In one fluid motion, he turned and drew his sword, deflecting the slash which would otherwise have opened him from stem to stern, and dove forward into his opponent, jerking his elbow sharply upwards as he did so. The sound of crunching teeth was his reward. His assailant staggered backwards, dropped his scythe, and fell mutely into the waiting snow.
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W.T. Fits posted:There was no standoff. The Reaper tried to ambush Thancred, got parried, and was knocked out by Thancred's counterattack. My mistake, I missed that he dropped. I thought he was mutely facing him sizing him up and Thancred's next line was telling him to back off. Found it odd that hadn't been resolved.
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Alas, that we did not get two RP duties as each twin beating the poo poo out of Fourchenault to assert their independence
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Blockhouse posted:is...is that alas?
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Blockhouse posted:is...is that alas? One is. The other is alph.
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I understand that some things have to be weird in order to make the story make sense. But, like, for the loporrit quests, is there any reason given for why Counselingway and the other people rabbits don't just go live on Etheirys? Or at least visit? Why are they acting like they'll never truly know if they have an audience, they can take a trip down to Garlemald pretty quickly!
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Hellioning posted:I understand that some things have to be weird in order to make the story make sense. The loporrits are smart, but they're also kind of dumb imo. I bet the capstone quest is going to involve some of that.
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