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My current company is one of the few that doesn't give PTO, and I will miss the very generous time off here. I get 4 weeks vacation a year, plus 4 'personal days', along with 15 sick days a year(these stack to 8 weeks). Some people are grandfathered at 5 weeks vacation. The pay and work suck though which is why I'm leaving soon.
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I'm able to save up three weeks if PTO and anything additional expires at the end of the year. Basically, I'm saving my PTO and only use what expires.
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Aug 12, 2017 09:04
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I get 5 weeks of PTO every year of which half is allowed to roll over. I take it all, all year erry year because paying it will mean it gets taxed 50%. gently caress (our version of) the IRS.
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Aug 12, 2017 09:08
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It would be nice to have a job where I don't have to worry that if I take a week off I'll get canned.
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Aug 12, 2017 11:19
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Dick Trauma posted:It would be nice to have a job where I don't have to worry that if I take a week off I'll get canned. Once I was working on a project that went through 7 project managers in the 1.5 year start up phase of the project. Five of them got released while on vacation. Project was a complete clusterfuck and I jumped off of that ship as soon as I had the chance. Not much later I left the company for a different one that the old company is now trying to copy in every single way (culture/management style/recruitment/job descriptions and titles). It's great too see them failing big time.
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Aug 12, 2017 11:46
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Someone please enlighten me on DevOps type people. In our environment I am in a small team on the "corporate" side of things, and there is a large team on the "product" side of this. My team maintains the infrastructure, while the other side is very DevOps-y oriented and maintains the poo poo we sell. Lately I'm coming to realize that the DevOps people on the other side seem to deploy new stuff while igroring underlying dependencies and then rely on us to help them and troubleshoot why their stuff isn't working. Things as simple as firewall port requests can take days going back and forth with them trying to determine what they actually need. Or even "Hey guys, your critical server hasn't been patched in 10 months." Or else something they deploy is broken and someone needs it fixed Right Now, but nobody has told us what changes need to be made on our end. I think my next big project will be to find a way to decouple the DevOps team's dependence on our infrastructure and let them burn until they can get their poo poo together. Does this seem like a Thing with that team specifically, or are DevOps people mostly like this? Or maybe I'm just salty?
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Aug 12, 2017 13:55
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vas0line posted:Someone please enlighten me on DevOps type people. Devops can fail REALLY easily. I think the only way to make devops work is to have a team that isn't just developers doing some ops stuff to the side, the team needs a dedicated ops person who can also do some development to the side and who spends time keeping informed about stuff to keep in mind when doing ops. Like one solution would be if you're just part of their team for one day a week so you can take care of their poo poo before it happens and you can also spend some time educating them. You'll have to convince your boss why that's necessary, though.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:18
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DevOps - Infrastructure people = just devs You chew the math devs are retarded
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Aug 12, 2017 14:47
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Yeah, you didn't describe a devops team, you described an application team. No embedded infrastructure members that understand things like how to make things work through a firewall means it's not following the devops model. If a place is devopsing properly, you should see no real distinction between different discipline silos from a team perspective. There will be specialization among the teams sure, and even separation of duties and different reporting structures in some cases, but the teams should be unified. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Aug 12, 2017 16:24
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I don't understand how DevOps can work. We all know developers refuse to work after hours during maintenance windows.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:25
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psydude posted:I don't understand how DevOps can work. We all know developers refuse to work after hours during maintenance windows. We tell ours that if their poo poo can't be deployed during the day with minimal risk or disruption, they are going to be sitting along side those that do have to deploy in the windows that do happen. We also require QA and dev standby during any infrastructure maintenance event if there's risk associated with it from an application perspective. Standing rule is if you contributed a changeset to a particular deployment, your rear end stays put until QA has blessed the release.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:31
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psydude posted:I don't understand how DevOps can work. We all know developers refuse to work after hours during maintenance windows. Devops use ci/cd to deploy during the day.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:31
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psydude posted:I don't understand how DevOps can work. We all know developers refuse to work after hours during maintenance windows. My favorite thing is explaining to devs that yes, you can deploy during the day, but you'll need to call this senior VP and explain why you're special enough to need such an exception.
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Aug 12, 2017 17:11
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Dick Trauma posted:It would be nice to have a job where I don't have to worry that if I take a week off I'll get canned. Dude, it's insane. So before the company I worked for got acquired about 18 months ago, I could take my PTO, but I always came back to a stack of poo poo to deal with, and it made it almost not worth taking time off. Since the acquisition, the team I'm on is much larger, and I'm fortunate to have several very competent co-workers. I don't have to worry about anything when I go on PTO now. Took 2 weeks off last month, didn't check my email once, didn't get any phone calls. Came back to 0 work waiting for me. My co-workers took care of everything while I was out. Last year too Dec 12th to Jan 4th off, came back to no fires, no one waiting for me to do something. It's loving beautiful. I'm in Texas, so PTO doesn't get paid out when you leave. I have no qualms taking all 28 days of PTO I'm allotted every year.
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Aug 12, 2017 18:10
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bull3964 posted:Yeah, you didn't describe a devops team, you described an application team. fuuuuuuuuck I think you're right. I think their team tricked us into thinking they are DevOps when in reality they are just App bozos fumbling their way through beginner Chef tutorials. Maybe I need to add DevOps Support to my resume and double my salary at the next gig...
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Aug 12, 2017 18:26
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RE: PTO chat - I finally work for a company that has unlimited/untracked PTO/vacation/sick days - and welp? Turns out I don't use any of it when there's not a balance to run down. Been here 10 months so far and have taken 0 days lol. The company (a popular live streaming service) is fantastic though its not like any pressure to not take time off - I just really need to make it happen I guess. Just a weird psychology difference I guess.
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Aug 12, 2017 19:00
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Aug 12, 2017 19:23
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That's a typical thing, but take some time off, it's good for you  It's also good for the company, as single points of failure/dependency in the processes gets exposed. If your company is decent, of course. If it's not you just won't get time off again 
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Aug 12, 2017 19:24
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Wibla posted:That's a typical thing, but take some time off, it's good for you yeah I'm not proud of the fact I haven't taken PTO yet - its not like some accomplishment, it just never feels like there's a good time to do it since there's no pre-allotment for it
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Aug 12, 2017 19:27
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I'm enjoying my 2nd of 3 weeks PTO. Just came back from the Balearic Islands. Now another week relaxing at home before I get back to work again.
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Aug 12, 2017 19:32
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Okay is that a joke post about working at Netflix or not
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Aug 12, 2017 19:36
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milk milk lemonade posted:Okay is that a joke post about working at Netflix or not Me? no... I was being honest I just never seem to take any now that its unlimited and its hosed up
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Aug 12, 2017 19:56
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I put a tab in my budget sheet that accrued vacation monthly when we switched to "unlimited". Date, taken, total hours, hours /40 (aka weeks). It really helped my illustrate to myself and my boss when and why I would be taking a vacation.
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Aug 12, 2017 21:57
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H110Hawk posted:I put a tab in my budget sheet that accrued vacation monthly when we switched to "unlimited". Date, taken, total hours, hours /40 (aka weeks). It really helped my illustrate to myself and my boss when and why I would be taking a vacation. The insult to injury part is my boss doesn't give a crap either, he's just "put it on the team calendar and let me know what might jump out while youre gone" I think there's got to be some psychological effect to it being unlimited where its just "oh yeah ill def take some, just... later, once _______ is done" which just repeats infinitely.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:05
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Sniep posted:I think there's got to be some psychological effect to it being unlimited where its just "oh yeah ill def take some, just... later, once _______ is done" which just repeats infinitely. That is absolutely what companies bank on. That's why I switched back to having a register that accrued at 5 weeks / year, which is what I made prior to the switch.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:06
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Anybody have any thoughts on working for BitTitan or companies like them? Saw this job posting today. Trying to get away from cleaning computers and deleting peoples porn histories around town and into real IT work.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:16
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The Dreamer posted:Anybody have any thoughts on working for BitTitan or companies like them? Saw this job posting today. Trying to get away from cleaning computers and deleting peoples porn histories around town and into real IT work. BitTitan Website posted:Spend time with family, take vacation, and sleep at night with confidence things are running smoothly. Ask them if this goes for both employees and clients or clients only.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:21
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Sprechensiesexy posted:Ask them if this goes for both employees and clients or clients only. Yeah I know I've read horror stories on here of people working for MSPs but at this point my work-life balance is already poo poo so I don't think it could get much worse than it already is. Never work for family. Especially when said family is a bunch of greedy, workaholics. Would I be expecting crappy pay and round the clock on call from this kind of place?
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Aug 12, 2017 22:24
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The only thing I can tell you is MigrationWiz is loving awesome
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Aug 12, 2017 22:28
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It indeed is
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Aug 12, 2017 22:31
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H110Hawk posted:That is absolutely what companies bank on. That's why I switched back to having a register that accrued at 5 weeks / year, which is what I made prior to the switch. Yeah - I had 29 business days at my last place due to how long i worked there. Looks like current job's policy says that people "usually take about a week per quarter" and, to quote, "anyone who would like to take off more than two weeks at a time must have Manager approval." - Which seems to imply I'm doing this _way, way wrong_
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Aug 12, 2017 22:32
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The Dreamer posted:
MSPs are where you farm experience from everything you can touch. There is no other reason to work there.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:39
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Judge Schnoopy posted:MSPs are where you farm experience from everything you can touch. There is no other reason to work there. So maybe a good potential stepping stone to better work later then?
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Aug 12, 2017 22:42
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The Dreamer posted:So maybe a good potential stepping stone to better work later then? If by later you mean "by no more than a year and a half" then yes. Nobody wants to hire someone that's worked for an MSP for 3+ years. That's a kind of funk you can never wash off.
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Aug 12, 2017 22:48
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I took 3 consecutive weeks off in June. It was good.
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Aug 12, 2017 23:01
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Judge Schnoopy posted:MSPs are where you farm experience from everything you can touch. There is no other reason to work there. But MSPs are going to take all the jobs! *Despite the fact people hate working for MSPs SeaborneClink posted:If by later you mean "by no more than a year and a half" then yes. Nobody wants to hire someone that's worked for an MSP for 3+ years. MSP's are just a step above call center.
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Aug 12, 2017 23:24
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If you can, skip working at a MSP and go work at a VAR.
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Aug 12, 2017 23:25
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SeaborneClink posted:If by later you mean "by no more than a year and a half" then yes. Nobody wants to hire someone that's worked for an MSP for 3+ years. One of the best guys I work with did 3 years at a large MSP in the Atlanta area, but yeah, I agree with you. MSP's are good for getting the foot in the door, learning all you can as fast as you can, but your eye should always be on the exit sign Sniep posted:Yeah - I had 29 business days at my last place due to how long i worked there. Looks like current job's policy says that people "usually take about a week per quarter" and, to quote, "anyone who would like to take off more than two weeks at a time must have Manager approval." - Which seems to imply I'm doing this _way, way wrong_ We have a similar policy, it's not so much to prevent folks from taking that much time off, it's more giving the manager the heads up its happening and won't seriously derail any projects or deliverables. I took over 3 weeks off last December/Jan and it was GLORIOUS. I get 28 days at my current employer, Monday will be 13 years with this company (counting acquisitions) which is over 1/3 of my life. If I make it to 20 years I'll get 33 days of PTO.
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skipdogg posted:it's not so much to prevent folks from taking that much time off, it's more giving the manager the heads up its happening and won't seriously derail any projects or deliverables. Yeah, no no I get that - It means that I've been reluctant to even take a week here or there for no reason whatsoever, was my point skipdogg posted:I took over 3 weeks off last December/Jan and it was GLORIOUS. I think I'm going to do the same - since the company just shuts down entirely (other than basic ops to keep the site up) from like Dec 22 till Jan 8th or something anyway. That's not really "Using Vacation" tho I will definitely start putting down for weeks out here and there. skipdogg posted:I get 28 days at my current employer, Monday will be 13 years with this company (counting acquisitions) which is over 1/3 of my life. If I make it to 20 years I'll get 33 days of PTO. Jesus - I'm not sure I could ever do that - I was on year 8 with Level 3 before I bailed, but I suppose a big part of that was the culture shift that basically stopped any chance of advancement/promotion and zero raises and such.. At least I had that shitload of PTO lol.
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Thanks for the info guys. I've got a few other applications out but I think I'll apply to this one with the understanding that I only want to be there long enough to get experience on paper to move on.
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