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Toyota wasn’t caught flat-footed, their now-former CEO was/is openly hostile to EVs
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Ok Comboomer posted:Toyota wasn’t caught flat-footed, their now-former CEO was/is openly hostile to EVs Yeah, Toyota bet the farm on hydrogen. They've developed hydrogen-powered everything (fuel cells, various flavors of IC) and deliberately ignored electrics, considering them an impractical fad. The story isn't completely over, but they seem to have been on the wrong side of it.
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Sep 17, 2023 02:45
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Ok Comboomer posted:Toyota wasn’t caught flat-footed, their now-former CEO was/is openly hostile to EVs That CEO bet big in hydrogen and well... yeah that's not exactly gone well. 8 Billion dollars gonna get mostly flushed for no real return.
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Sep 17, 2023 02:48
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Their options are to admit they were wrong, or pretend it's all part of the plan and no you can't see the plan but it's better than everybody else's.
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Sep 17, 2023 02:55
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Chronojam posted:Their options are to admit they were wrong, or pretend it's all part of the plan and no you can't see the plan but it's better than everybody else's. What's behind door number 2 lol
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Sep 17, 2023 05:01
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Someone's trying to make hydrogen A Thing in aviation, by doing tank swaps that can work within existing logistics systems rather then trying to build a whole new distro/local storage infrastructure. Wonder if someone will try it at a smaller scale for vehicles https://hydrogen.aero/product/ quote:our proprietary, lightweight, modular hydrogen capsules that are transported from green hydrogen production sites to the airport and loaded directly into the aircraft using the existing intermodal freight network and cargo handling equipment.
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Sep 17, 2023 05:32
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Tesla says they've just produced their 5 millionth vehicle (ever, compared to Toyota's 10.5 million in 2022 alone). Still quite the milestone, they made their 4 millionth just in March this year, so they'll probably make 1.25 - 1.4 million this year.
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Sep 17, 2023 05:42
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Qwijib0 posted:Someone's trying to make hydrogen A Thing in aviation, by doing tank swaps that can work within existing logistics systems rather then trying to build a whole new distro/local storage infrastructure. Air traffic is highly centralized because airports are hugely expensive to build and maintain. Perhaps freight exchange yards between trains and trucks could serve a similar purpose for trucks, although the only modular cargo unit with existing logistics that exists for trucks is the cargo container. Everything is built around the size of a cargo container, though, and putting some amount of hydrogen in it would cut into cargo volume.
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Sep 17, 2023 05:52
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priznat posted:I see a LOT of those bZ4x and subaru versions around here, and they're all hideous. I wonder why they are so big here (Lower mainland BC). We also have a huge number of teslas around so EV uptake is high but I don't get why I see more of those than I do something like an EV6, which are around but not as much. I just visited Vancouver for the first time in 4 years and was pretty shocked by the number of Teslas. Like you see one approximately every 2 blocks while driving around in Burnaby/Coquitlam. I wonder how much of it has to do with availability though? Not sure what the wait time is for Teslas now but things like the EV6 apparently has a wait time of 12-18 months unless you get lucky like my friend just did and get their demo model with "only" 8000km on it for a deal. Are those stories about EV stock just sitting in sales lots in the US true? If so it seems like the manufacturers need to start diverting some of that up north because it's pretty brutal to get your hands on something these days apparently.
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Sep 17, 2023 14:35
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Squibbles posted:Are those stories about EV stock just sitting in sales lots in the US true? If so it seems like the manufacturers need to start diverting some of that up north because it's pretty brutal to get your hands on something these days apparently. Every lot I’ve visited has at least three or four of each model for sale. I’m near San Francisco, so EV demand is high. Whether that means they’re just keeping them stocked here to meet demand, or that they’re having trouble selling them, I don’t know  .
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Sep 17, 2023 15:32
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Squibbles posted:Are those stories about EV stock just sitting in sales lots in the US true? If so it seems like the manufacturers need to start diverting some of that up north because it's pretty brutal to get your hands on something these days apparently. The biggest inventory stock by far seems to be Tesla, they've got a ton of inventory and are discounting cars by $4k+ because of it. I did see some EV6es piling up at my local Kia dealer though, and still not a single minivan. The gas Kia minivan remains incredibly hard to get, like a RAV4 Prime or 911 GT3.
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Sep 17, 2023 15:34
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Squibbles posted:I just visited Vancouver for the first time in 4 years and was pretty shocked by the number of Teslas. Like you see one approximately every 2 blocks while driving around in Burnaby/Coquitlam. I wonder how much of it has to do with availability though? Not sure what the wait time is for Teslas now but things like the EV6 apparently has a wait time of 12-18 months unless you get lucky like my friend just did and get their demo model with "only" 8000km on it for a deal. Are those stories about EV stock just sitting in sales lots in the US true? If so it seems like the manufacturers need to start diverting some of that up north because it's pretty brutal to get your hands on something these days apparently. It’s actually not too bad now, the local dealers have EV6s and ioniqs in stock, and the fords have a lot of mach es and lightnings. Tesla is putting a big new dealership in Port Coquitlam too I hear.
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Sep 17, 2023 15:50
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Reno to the Oregon coast in the Tesla yesterday, ~600 miles. Considerably quicker and easier than using EA, really makes a difference on these sort of “all day” drives. Only had to stop twice. Usually I stop 3 times but leaving the house with 90 and then charging ~5-80 ABRP said I could do it so I did. In the future I won’t though TBH, rather stop more frequently and for shorter charges. Accidentally picked a 125 kW charger as my destination in Mt Shasta, I guess it was probably one of the early/original chargers, only had 4 chargers and there’s a dozen 150 kW chargers a block away. I realized it after I plugged in and almost wasn’t going to bother moving but I’m glad I did because the difference was like 112 kW vs 165 kW. 
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Sep 17, 2023 16:03
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, Toyota bet the farm on hydrogen. They've developed hydrogen-powered everything (fuel cells, various flavors of IC) and deliberately ignored electrics, considering them an impractical fad. Now it seems like they've shifted to promising a quantum leap in battery technology (to be fair, they have invested heavily in solid-state battery research, but have shown no evidence that they're closer to mass production than anyone else) while making a limp-wristed attempt at competing with the Tesla Model Y. I actually took a class in fuel cell technology back in college. Fuel cells require a lot of supporting hardware (pumps, valves, heat exchangers, stuff like that) which introduces a whole bunch of new points of failure, undoing one of the less-advertised but still significant advantages of going electric (less stuff to maintain). Plus the fuel cell itself has a limited lifespan, and replacing it is even more expensive than a new battery for most EVs: https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-tucson-fcev-owner-shocked-by-113k-repair-bill-for-hydrogen-fuel-cell Twerk from Home posted:The biggest inventory stock by far seems to be Tesla, they've got a ton of inventory and are discounting cars by $4k+ because of it. I understand Tesla also has a large inventory of Model 3 parts, plus they're about to start producing the Model 3 Highland in the US. So they have to get rid of all that fairly quickly.
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Sep 17, 2023 16:37
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Qwijib0 posted:Someone's trying to make hydrogen A Thing in aviation, by doing tank swaps that can work within existing logistics systems rather then trying to build a whole new distro/local storage infrastructure. Almost all hydrogen production in the US is a byproduct of fracking, of which we have a market glut of natural gas production. Anyone that tells you that hydrogen is a large scale solution to anything climate related is a petro shill, an idiot, or both.
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Sep 17, 2023 17:59
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Vegetable posted:New Kona EV 2024. No pricing yet. Sat in the hybrid version of this in a dealer the other day, interior is really nice, good materials and buttons and feels spacious in the rear (although the car is bigger than the previous gen). Better driving position and viewing angles than the previous gens, which were bad enough to be a deal breaker for us. Guy at the dealership thought that there was going to be a substantial price hike over the current one though, like 6k EUR. Not sure if he was just saying that to try and get us to make a purchase now. We've looking at getting a second hand Golf phev in the end since the pricing is better here (France) than a full EV. Prices new are just incredible even with the government subsidy, an ID3 is 38k euros for base spec after a 5k subsidy.
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Sep 17, 2023 18:01
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Cockmaster posted:I actually took a class in fuel cell technology back in college. Fuel cells require a lot of supporting hardware (pumps, valves, heat exchangers, stuff like that) which introduces a whole bunch of new points of failure, undoing one of the less-advertised but still significant advantages of going electric (less stuff to maintain). Plus the fuel cell itself has a limited lifespan, and replacing it is even more expensive than a new battery for most EVs: Hydrogen is also a complete gently caress to store, transport, and distribute. It embrittles whatever it's stored in, it needs specialized and extremely expensive high-pressure piping, it leaks through solid metal, in its cryogenic state it is cold enough to freeze air, it's incredibly flammable.... if you think building out the grid to replace gasoline with electricity is gonna be hard, replacing gasoline with Hydrogen is an order of magnitude more difficult. Unrelated, my utility just let me enroll in a pilot program for variable-rate billing for electricity. I'm pretty stoked, since the off-peak rate is like $0.03 during the time of year when the dams are at max output, and $0.07 the rest of the year.
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Sep 17, 2023 19:59
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I like my EV but would prefer if it was more capable of exploding, I had to bring it to one of five specialized and unreliable fuel stations once a week, and relied entirely on fracking
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Sep 17, 2023 20:03
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But enough about teslas
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Sep 17, 2023 20:10
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Elviscat posted:
Is the peak rate higher lower or same as the flat rate?
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Sep 17, 2023 22:57
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Elviscat posted:Hydrogen is also a complete gently caress to store, transport, and distribute. It embrittles whatever it's stored in, it needs specialized and extremely expensive high-pressure piping, it leaks through solid metal, in its cryogenic state it is cold enough to freeze air, it's incredibly flammable.... if you think building out the grid to replace gasoline with electricity is gonna be hard, replacing gasoline with Hydrogen is an order of magnitude more difficult. And most of the proposals I've seen for carbon-neutral hydrogen production amount to taking electricity from renewable sources and using it to perform electrolysis - effectively reducing the hydrogen system to a battery with extra parts and much lower efficiency.
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Sep 17, 2023 23:08
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Cockmaster posted:And most of the proposals I've seen for carbon-neutral hydrogen production amount to taking electricity from renewable sources and using it to perform electrolysis - effectively reducing the hydrogen system to a battery with extra parts and much lower efficiency. seems like a great system at scale for power generation though, to shift excess daytime solar capacity into night power but without the need to have large scale batteries. Burn the hydrogen to boil water, etc.
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Sep 17, 2023 23:12
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And now Tesla just started a livestream which promises "The Tesla that will change the car industry forever". Elon Musk just mentioned going from 12V to 48V on the low-voltage circuits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6248yqOOBo Edit: The stream just ended, and going back through I don't see anything about a new car. Figures. Cockmaster fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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Sep 18, 2023 00:00
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Did he mention anything about being a loving nazi?
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Sep 18, 2023 01:30
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Nazi CEO is nothing new in the car industry. They lied about changing it!
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Sep 18, 2023 02:37
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drhankmccoyphd posted:Is the peak rate higher lower or same as the flat rate? Higher. Old flat rate: $0.13 New peak rate $0.24 Off-peak $0.08-$0.10* Super-Off-Peak 0.04-0.07* Peak's only for a few hours every day though, and with charging timers on the cars, and a smart thermostat, it should save me quite a bit of money. Heat is all electric via heatpump. *one or the other, depending on time of year, numbers are half remembered, I didn't check.
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Sep 18, 2023 03:00
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Just nuts that my off peak rate is higher than your peak rate. https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/electric-vehicle-base-plan/electric-vehicle-base-plan.page
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Sep 18, 2023 05:44
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Oof, yeah, living in the land of cheap hydro has its benefits.
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Sep 18, 2023 06:24
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Whats the thread consensus on the EX30? The price point is good enough, and my wife loves the design.
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Sep 18, 2023 06:43
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Freezer posted:Whats the thread consensus on the EX30? The price point is good enough, and my wife loves the design. That said, prices aren’t out and we won’t know how well it drives until December at the earliest. There’s a lot of waiting to go.
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Sep 18, 2023 06:47
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I thought Polestar was Volvo’s EV brand Why does polestar exist if there are now a ton of Volvo EVs
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Sep 18, 2023 06:51
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Regular people buy Volvos. Guys with micropeens think Volvos have a low T image so they buy Polestars.
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Sep 18, 2023 06:58
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Volvo owns Polestar, which is owned by Geely, which also owns some of Polestar, it's really weird and I don't understand it either. The funny thing is how Volvo still gets to call its higher performance cars Polestar tuned as well.
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Freezer posted:Whats the thread consensus on the EX30? The price point is good enough, and my wife loves the design. I'm very very curious about it. I saw the exterior at a show the other day and I like it. It's about the same size as my Kia Soul, which is just perfect. I'm hoping it has a HUD or something as I do like an instrument cluster, but you can't win em all I guess. I want something that isn't a giant SUV that has a vegan interior that isn't owned by a Nazi (at least, not such an outspoken one). They'll just say "leather-free" which I think I just have to take. I wish it had the Polestar ordering process -- I hate dealers.
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OldSenileGuy posted:I thought Polestar was Volvo’s EV brand Polestar is Volvo's skunkworks brand, so for instance the Polestar 2 was Volvo's first foray into using Android Automotive and now a bunch of their cars use it. Volvo still doesn't sell an EV sedan for some reason
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Sep 18, 2023 09:01
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What I really want is an EV stationwagon that doesn't have a Start button, has a map in the instrument panel, and can be ordered entirely online, is that so much to ask???
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Elviscat posted:Higher. I guess it's convenient to have such clearly defined rates. I need a phone app to keep track of my rates.
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QuarkJets posted:What I really want is an EV stationwagon that doesn't have a Start button, has a map in the instrument panel, and can be ordered entirely online, is that so much to ask??? What you want turn a key to start the ignition, you loving neanderthal?
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THE BIG DOG DADDY posted:What you want turn a key to start the ignition, you loving neanderthal? Nah, I believe QJ is part of the crowd that believes that “In an EV, there is no point in having on/off states. A vehicle should just always be ‘on’ if the keyfob is inside the car.”
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Doom Rooster posted:Nah, I believe QJ is part of the crowd that believes that “In an EV, there is no point in having on/off states. A vehicle should just always be ‘on’ if the keyfob is inside the car.” The point is safety. Having the vehicle be multiple steps away from plowing through your garage door/wall is important for safety.
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