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Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

I drive on the 407 every week. It’s an incredibly well maintained road. Like to European levels. The reason it’s so good when you drive on it is because it’s so drat expensive that people would rather sit in traffic than pay that price. For everyone else it’s definitely an express route.

To put things into perspective, when I have to come to the office in the morning I can either take highway 7, the 400, the 401 and the 427 to get there and spend an hour, or I can take the 407 to the 427 and get there in about 25 minutes.

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Borden
Jul 23, 2008

flakeloaf posted:

Wake me up when they go crying to the province for a handout to fix the drat thing

That’s pretty much how these scams all work. In Nova Scotia the province lowered the speed limit on the highway going through Wentworth, and increased the police presence giving out speeding tickets to force people to take the toll road. The whole thing is just giving public services over to private interests then using public money to ensure the private profits.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

A child under 5 died of measles in Ontario in the year 2024. This should be a solved problem, but the child was unvaccinated.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

McGavin posted:

A child under 5 died of measles in Ontario in the year 2024. This should be a solved problem, but the child was unvaccinated.

Sorry, society has broken into a bunch of mini realities all with people unwilling to cooperate with each other.

This is the world now.

Nothing big will ever be accomplished again.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I'll remind you that raw milk consumption has seen a huge increase because of the bird flu thing? These smooth-brains have reinvented vaccines but like...in the riskiest way possible.

All I can think is that our societies have just completely collapsed. The inmates are running the asylum as they say.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Fidelitious posted:

I'll remind you that raw milk consumption has seen a huge increase because of the bird flu thing? These smooth-brains have reinvented vaccines but like...in the riskiest way possible.

They didn't reinvent vaccines, they're just making pandemics great again.

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

You should have the freedom to not vaccinate your child but if that child dies of the preventable disease you neglected to protect them from, you should be made accountable for their death. Children are not property as much as these people believe that.

(I literally saw a chud and chud jr at a rally hold signs saying “I am my dad’s property” and “My son is my property”… if I ever had to guess who needed a ministry call…)

Mad Hamish
Jun 15, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



apatheticman posted:

Sorry, society has broken into a bunch of mini realities all with people unwilling to cooperate with each other.

This is the world now.

Nothing big will ever be accomplished again.

COVID and a certain subset of extremely stupid and entitled peoples' reaction to it utterly shattered the social contract and TBH I don't think there's an easy way of fixing it aside from Homer's Magic Toaster levels of re-Neducation. The major issue with this, of course, is that there'd be no way to tell the difference between a freedom convoy dipshit and someone who's had their frontal lobe removed.

MNIMWA
Dec 1, 2014

ARACHTION posted:

You should have the freedom to not vaccinate your child but if that child dies of the preventable disease you neglected to protect them from, you should be made accountable for their death. Children are not property as much as these people believe that.

(I literally saw a chud and chud jr at a rally hold signs saying “I am my dad’s property” and “My son is my property”… if I ever had to guess who needed a ministry call…)


I had thought this exact thing happened in BC and the parents were found guilty but I was actually thinking about the Alberta case where the guy treated his infant song's meningitis with home remedies and was found guilty of failing to provide the necessaries of life. Probably a bit of a stretch to apply that argument to vaccines (or is it?) but reading about this case mad me, a dad, sad and angry

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

ZShakespeare posted:

I looked into this and I can't find anything wrong with it, so I'm going to go ahead and say that we should privatize all the roads. I am not kidding.

well no see the trick is having a public highway next to it that takes all the real traffic so you can charge a billion dollars to use your traffic free highway, plus you won't have to pay as much in maintenance since all the trucks will use the free public highway

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

They should make it that parents who follow health Canada or whatever recs face no consequences if health stuff goes awry and the others sign a form saying they did their own “research “ and will assume legal responsibility including imprisonment for criminal negligence causing death.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
honestly i think your kid dying is punishment enough

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

RBC posted:

honestly i think your kid dying is punishment enough

What about the kid? They’re the innocent party in all this and can’t be held responsible for their parents idiocy. They have no agency in this and shouldn’t have to die.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
well yeah but i don't think they're coming back dude

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

If the parents care more about their alternative facts than their child, they should absolutely be held liable.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

RBC posted:

well no see the trick is having a public highway next to it that takes all the real traffic so you can charge a billion dollars to use your traffic free highway, plus you won't have to pay as much in maintenance since all the trucks will use the free public highway

No more free rides for motorists. If you own a car you should pay for the road you drive it on. I will vote for any party that will wage the war on cars.

Glimpse
Jun 5, 2011


ZShakespeare posted:

No more free rides for motorists. If you own a car you should pay for the road you drive it on. I will vote for any party that will wage the war on cars.

That is what all those gas taxes are supposed to be for, though if electric vehicles ever take off beyond a few rich assholes they’ll have to come up with something else.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

RBC posted:

well yeah but i don't think they're coming back dude

This would also be true if, like, you accidentally shook your baby to death, or beat your kid so severely they died, but no one would suggest that the child’s death is punishment enough for the perpetrator.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



ARACHTION posted:

You should have the freedom to not vaccinate your child

I don't think so actually, unless they medically can't.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

That's still fully vaccinated. You have all the vaccinations that are indicated for you by a qualified doctor of medicine. Your number just happens to be zero.

bub spank
Feb 1, 2005

the THRILL
The speaker of the Saskatchewan legislature (a founding Sask Party MLA) is being forced out of his seat after 25 years (the party endorsed and supported someone else in the party nomination race) because he wasn’t acting partisan enough in his role as non-partisan house speaker.

In response, he’s decided to just drop a bunch of bombs on his way out, including:
- members of the party openly bragged about being able to get the previous speaker (federal MP Corey Tochor) to do anything they wanted;
- he got hundreds of harassing and threatening texts from Sask Party cabinet ministers anytime he tried to govern impartially;
- the Sask Party’s deputy leader has repeatedly threatened him, including by bringing a rifle to the legislature, repeatedly asking for permission to bring a handgun to the legislature, making gestures as if he was revealing a concealed handgun whenever he ruled against the Sask Party, and texting him threats;
- he was directly physically threatened by one of Scott Moe’s senior aides during a break in the debate on the anti-trans bill last year; and
- he was physically assaulted by a sitting Sask Party MLA because he wasn’t acting partisan enough.

This is on top of a bunch of other scandals that have come out over the past year, including a bunch of privatization efforts to that are very clearly and directly linked to lobbying by former MLAs, funding increases for private Christian schools connected with Sask Party MLA churches while those schools are facing both civil and criminal liability for historic abuse (with corresponding decreases to public school funding), and more direct issues like the MLA whose motels started getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of business from the Ministry of Social Services right after he got elected, while charging way higher rates than other motels. And, more generally, just complete fiscal mismanagement resulting in record debt while every government responsibility (education, healthcare, housing) is in shambles.

There’s so much super-visible corruption happening, and none of these people are anywhere near qualified to be in government, but they’re going to get another majority this fall because “gently caress Trudeau”, red-scare propaganda about the socialist NDP, and gerrymandering that’s resulted in cities with over half the provincial population getting assigned less than half of the available seats in the legislature.

bub spank fucked around with this message at 03:02 on May 18, 2024

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Interesting how assholes are okay with other bigger assholes doing lovely things to other people when they're part of the in-group.

Albino Squirrel
Apr 25, 2003

Miosis more like meiosis

bub spank posted:

The speaker of the Saskatchewan legislature (a founding Sask Party MLA) is being forced out of his seat after 25 years (the party endorsed and supported someone else in the party nomination race) because he wasn’t acting partisan enough in his role as non-partisan house speaker.

In response, he’s decided to just drop a bunch of bombs on his way out, including:
- members of the party openly bragged about being able to get the previous speaker (federal MP Corey Tochor) to do anything they wanted;
- he got hundreds of harassing and threatening texts from Sask Party cabinet ministers anytime he tried to govern impartially;
- the Sask Party’s deputy leader has repeatedly threatened him, including by bringing a rifle to the legislature, repeatedly asking for permission to bring a handgun to the legislature, making gestures as if he was revealing a concealed handgun whenever he ruled against the Sask Party, and texting him threats;
- he was directly physically threatened by one of Scott Moe’s senior aides during a break in the debate on the anti-trans bill last year; and
- he was physically assaulted by a sitting Sask Party MLA because he wasn’t acting partisan enough.

This is on top of a bunch of other scandals that have come out over the past year, including a bunch of privatization efforts to that are very clearly and directly linked to lobbying by former MLAs, funding increases for private Christian schools connected with Sask Party MLA churches while those schools are facing both civil and criminal liability for historic abuse (with corresponding decreases to public school funding), and more direct issues like the MLA whose motels started getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of business from the Ministry of Social Services right after he got elected, while charging way higher rates than other motels. And, more generally, just complete fiscal mismanagement resulting in record debt while every government responsibility (education, healthcare, housing) is in shambles.

There’s so much super-visible corruption happening, and none of these people are anywhere near qualified to be in government, but they’re going to get another majority this fall because “gently caress Trudeau”, red-scare propaganda about the socialist NDP, and gerrymandering that’s resulted in cities with over half the provincial population getting assigned less than half of the available seats in the legislature.
LOL Mini-Alberta has its own corruption, how cute

redbrouw
Nov 14, 2018

ACAB

Albino Squirrel posted:

LOL Mini-Alberta has its own corruption, how cute

Top quality posting right here.

folytopo
Nov 5, 2013

bub spank posted:


gerrymandering that’s resulted in cities with over half the provincial population getting assigned less than half of the available seats in the legislature.

They are really not very Gerrymandered. The old map from 2014 is being updated. Still they had 42ish percent of the seats and very similar percent of the population. The Metro areas are a lot more populous but they encompass a lot of rural and exurban seats. The 2 districts that are the most under the baseline are the two northern ones where the NDP either holds them or is competitive.

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

So setting aside doomer posting and irrational negativity. How likely is PP going to institute a federal abortion ban with the notwithstanding clause when the Tories sweep into govt?

Allegedly he’s pro choice. But all his MPs certainly aren’t. Wondering if caucus will force his hand.

Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.

loving UCP, I swear...

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ucp-constituency-youth-dance-called-into-question-by-rcmp-child-exploitation-officer-1.6893404

How did this "youth social" make it past several people to get posted and approved? Just, how??

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

Kraftwerk posted:

So setting aside doomer posting and irrational negativity. How likely is PP going to institute a federal abortion ban with the notwithstanding clause when the Tories sweep into govt?

Allegedly he’s pro choice. But all his MPs certainly aren’t. Wondering if caucus will force his hand.

I hope I'm not being too optimistic when it seems like the last thing you'd want to do is immediately remind people why the Conservatives are awful, and for a ban that would give the Liberals a clear-cut campaigning tool, especially since it could just be turned over the next time the Liberals gain power (and give them an easy legislative thing to do that would be very popular).

I think PP will focus way more on the economic side of ruining poo poo (axing carbon taxes, reducing income tax etc., cutting social programs). I would also expect some awful things around trans rights issues.

But I'd also be ready to be disappointed by him being even worse than I'd expect.

ARACHTION
Mar 10, 2012

Kraftwerk posted:

So setting aside doomer posting and irrational negativity. How likely is PP going to institute a federal abortion ban with the notwithstanding clause when the Tories sweep into govt?

Allegedly he’s pro choice. But all his MPs certainly aren’t. Wondering if caucus will force his hand.

I think Skippy is too power hungry to push it on that issue, considering looking south it’s maybe the single issue keeping a lot of democrats in. Apparently 80% of Canadians are in favour of it and this has been stable, whereas in the states it’s 60ish% and even that has cost the republicans electorally.

My gut instinct is if he wants to do something on the issue, it would most likely be by stealth underfunding of healthcare and general and abortion access in particular. That is, allowing conservative led provinces to begin that work without sounding the alarm?

I don’t know about other goons, but I talk to conservative people frequently and have literally never heard anyone talk about abortion as an important issue. Vaccines, yes. LGBTQ issues, big yes. Immigration, yes. But never abortion.

For culture war bullshit, I think Trans rights are the “easier” target with the majority of their base now as anti trans. I don’t think that’s the case for abortion but I’m in the lower mainland Vancouver context and am willing to be corrected.

pig labeled 3
Jan 3, 2007

Lars Blitzer posted:

loving UCP, I swear...

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ucp-constituency-youth-dance-called-into-question-by-rcmp-child-exploitation-officer-1.6893404

How did this "youth social" make it past several people to get posted and approved? Just, how??

Remember that particular show is being run by this scumbag:
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/05/29/alberta-ucp-controversial-wins/

pig labeled 3 fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 20, 2024

pig labeled 3
Jan 3, 2007
Double post

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Kraftwerk posted:

So setting aside doomer posting and irrational negativity. How likely is PP going to institute a federal abortion ban with the notwithstanding clause when the Tories sweep into govt?

Allegedly he’s pro choice. But all his MPs certainly aren’t. Wondering if caucus will force his hand.

Like what's happening in the US, my money is on PP saying that healthcare is a provincial issue and then not lifting a finger when the chud provinces ban abortion access.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Kraftwerk posted:

So setting aside doomer posting and irrational negativity. How likely is PP going to institute a federal abortion ban with the notwithstanding clause when the Tories sweep into govt?

Allegedly he’s pro choice. But all his MPs certainly aren’t. Wondering if caucus will force his hand.

I, honestly, can't see it happening. The reason that it happened in the US is because the Democrats have been using abortion as a wedge issue to distract from ghoulish bipartisan policies such as endless war, prison industrial complex, mass shootings, border war, etc., causing the entire Republican identity to be "we're the ones who want to strip women of bodily autonomy". While I have to admit that America North has become disturbingly more brain broken in the past few years, I can't see there being broad enough popular support for such a move that wouldn't end up with PP getting kicked to the curb immediately if he tried to do it.

E: this isn't to say that we couldn't go down that road very quickly. It feels like poo poo is getting real wild out there.

ZShakespeare fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 20, 2024

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

McGavin posted:

Like what's happening in the US, my money is on PP saying that healthcare is a provincial issue and then not lifting a finger when the chud provinces ban abortion access.
or if provinces decide to start providing people with “healthcare choice”.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

pig labeled 3 posted:

Remember that particular show is being run by this scumbag:
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/05/29/alberta-ucp-controversial-wins/

:whitewater:

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

pig labeled 3 posted:

Remember that particular show is being run by this scumbag:
https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/05/29/alberta-ucp-controversial-wins/

It's been cancelled.

The anti vax thing is still on though.

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Lars Blitzer posted:

loving UCP, I swear...

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ucp-constituency-youth-dance-called-into-question-by-rcmp-child-exploitation-officer-1.6893404

How did this "youth social" make it past several people to get posted and approved? Just, how??

It's Ponoka-Lacombe, the middle of nowhere between Red Deer and Edmonton with more than a few pro-life and flat earth advertising trailers in that area. Don't imagine there was a lot of opposition or critical thinking going on there.

Edit: Good to know it has been cancelled

MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 21, 2024

Albino Squirrel
Apr 25, 2003

Miosis more like meiosis

MakaVillian posted:

It's Ponoka-Lacombe, the middle of nowhere between Red Deer and Edmonton with more than a few pro-life and flat earth advertising trailers in that area. Don't imagine there was a lot of opposition or critical thinking going on there.

Edit: Good to know it has been cancelled
Drove past Lacombe this weekend - there's also the large "Axe the Tax" protest that's taken over the southbound rest stop along the highway. The police have been supportive of them, of course. I don't think Lacombe is doing OK.

redbrouw posted:

Top quality posting right here.
Yeah, that was probably unjustified. People in Saskatchewan deserve better than a government locked in a 'who's more regressive?!' battle with Alberta.

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp

Lars Blitzer posted:

loving UCP, I swear...

How did this "youth social" make it past several people to get posted and approved? Just, how??

For hanlons razor though

UCP: let's have a youth social event to make us look cool to the youngins

Staffer: okay sir. Prepares an event for Youths (typically 14 -24)

I personally think the UCP were just stupid and not trying to groom kids, as there are lots of "Youth" organizations that do dip down to 14 and up to 25.


quote:

The Alberta NDP have the New Democratic Youth of Alberta for members aged 14 to 30, and the Alberta Green Party have the Young Greens Council for members aged 12 to 29.


Don't take this as me defending the UCP but I don't think they were trying to groom kids but were just dumb as rocks and out of touch. And should still get poo poo for that.

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Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.

Chillyrabbit posted:

For hanlons razor though

UCP: let's have a youth social event to make us look cool to the youngins

Staffer: okay sir. Prepares an event for Youths (typically 14 -24)

I personally think the UCP were just stupid and not trying to groom kids, as there are lots of "Youth" organizations that do dip down to 14 and up to 25.

Don't take this as me defending the UCP but I don't think they were trying to groom kids but were just dumb as rocks and out of touch. And should still get poo poo for that.

No, I see your point. It probably wasn't malicious, but it was definitely clueless and tone deaf as hell given that these chucklefucks have been raising a huge stink about the tired old "They're coming for your kids!" rhetoric dressed up in the latest iteration of anti-LGBTQ2+ panic.

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