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I think that even then most B-52s had pretty good ew suites but the real answer is probably flew too high and fast.
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Not to mention: Early-60s Soviet electronics stored, handled, and launched by (likely) poorly trained crews in a jungle hellhole. (Even if the launch crews were Soviet-trained and supervised, that situation is ripe for damage or misadjustment to occur at multiple different points, from when the missile is offloaded from the ship, to when it gets hung on the launch rail.)
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Also, on some missions, fighters would go pre-lay the area with chaff, though it turned out a big cloud of chaff was better than an exact route marker of chaff showing where the bombers would fly. Also the EA-6 showed up late in Vietnam. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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Jul 31, 2016 19:53
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They also had a bunch of planes bombing and jamming SAM sites like f-111s and a variety of Wild Weasel planes
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The weasels took out something like 90+ sites during linebacker II. (IIRC)
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Ahh I guess the answer was all of the things. As good as that Youtube is a providing an image for B-52s it could definitely be improved by painting the whole picture.
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CarForumPoster posted:Re:B-52 Livemap Video All those blue diamonds are part of the strike, You have F-4's flying migcap, F-4's, A-6's, and F-111's striking SAM sites and AAA, you have EB-66's doing standoff ECM and a ton of B-52's. B-52's themselves have a massive amount of self jamming capability as well as Chaff Just look at the amount and types of aircraft that participated in the Linebacker II bombing campaign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II wikipedia posted:On 26 December 120 bombers lifted off to strike Thái Nguyên, the Kinh No complex, the Duc Noi, Hanoi, and Haiphong Railroads, and a vehicle storage area at Văn Điển. 78 of the bombers took off from Andersen AFB in one time block, the largest single combat launch in SAC history, while 42 others came in from Thailand.[63] The bombers were supported by 113 tactical aircraft which provided chaff corridors, escort fighters, Wild Weasel SAM suppression, and electronic countermeasures support.[64]
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The B-52 is a massively capable jamming platform. It's quite a thing to see, and I'm disappointed I lost my copies of the unclass capabilities they demonstrated in Red/Green Flag. Perhaps more importantly, the strategic doctorine and SAM mix the North Vietnamese were employing at the time were the systems that SAC had been training and equipping themselves to defeat for their primary wartime mission against the Soviet Union.
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I've only seen a BUFF fire it up once, and while I won't go into details because I have no idea where the line is, my reaction was literally  "Holy poo poo."
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My dad was 17 in 1972 and spending every free hour at the McCoy AFB golf course and bar, so there is a chance he met some of those people in that Hanoi raid.Godholio posted:I've only seen a BUFF fire it up once, and while I won't go into details because I have no idea where the line is, my reaction was literally Was it basically the briefcase from Pulp Fiction in computer form?
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I've heard stories about B-52 jamming. poo poo is capable to say the least.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:My dad was 17 in 1972 and spending every free hour at the McCoy AFB golf course and bar, so there is a chance he met some of those people in that Hanoi raid. More like the exact opposite.
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Godholio posted:More like the exact opposite. So more like the case Darryl Hannah gave Michael Madsen in Kill Bill Vol. 2, then.
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http://i.imgur.com/VwF7YIP.mp4
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In case you guys were wondering what the Olympic peninsula looks like from the cockpit of a Growler:
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Oh look my house!
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LingcodKilla posted:Oh look my house! Somewhere I actually have a picture of my apartment from an F-15, from about 2k AGL.
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I went looking through my photos for a picture of Some of the comparisons between bird and plane seem a bit forced. 
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That thing sure did a number on that already destroyed car.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:That thing sure did a number on that already destroyed car. And did you see the way it destroy nothing on that hill from 20 feet away at the beginning of the video. That will show those homonazi Americans...wait, what do you mean the US and Israel have working kamikaze drones (and possible anti-tank versions) that not only are fairly cheap but man portable as well? gently caress!
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We've been able to do kamikaze drones since the 1940s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXlfiPejcrI Edit: Hell, there's a fair chance I got this from this thread.
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Here's some pictures of an Electronic Warfare Officer's station on a B-52 as displayed at March Field Air Museum. If you search the web for some of the designations of the systems, e.g. AN/ALQ-122, you get some information about what they are, and sometimes links to Google Books. It looks a lot like the labels were scratched off for some of the knobs so I guess it's still classified that they go up to 11  http://imgur.com/a/gSCgM
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Speaking of B-52s, is it unusual to send a few flights of them over the pole towards Russia in the 21st century? I know the RusAF did a few similar flights towards the US and UK last year (no idea about anything in 2016), but per what I'm guessing are reliable comm reports on Twitter that just happened: https://twitter.com/Mark_swl/status/759894010005708800
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Buttcoin purse posted:Here's some pictures of an Electronic Warfare Officer's station on a B-52 as displayed at March Field Air Museum. If you search the web for some of the designations of the systems, e.g. AN/ALQ-122, you get some information about what they are, and sometimes links to Google Books. It looks a lot like the labels were scratched off for some of the knobs so I guess it's still classified that they go up to 11 One of the knobs in the first picture with the dial scratched out appears to say "center frequency". I'm guessing then that they were able to manually set up 4 bands of noise? I'm sure that needed a lot of tubes and power, and that modern electronics in the same bay could gently caress up a ton more bands.
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Crusader posted:Speaking of B-52s, is it unusual to send a few flights of them over the pole towards Russia in the 21st century? I know the RusAF did a few similar flights towards the US and UK last year (no idea about anything in 2016), but per what I'm guessing are reliable comm reports on Twitter that just happened: No idea if it's normal, but there are some differences between what you describe and what Russia did. Russia likes to go right into the ADIZ before turning back. They don't just fly in the general direction. Continue that red line up to the 12 mile mark and it's getting comparable. Edit: Correction Godholio fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Godholio posted:Russia likes to do simulated missile launches. There are very specific flight profiles they use for this, so it's not just a matter of cruising in the general direction. They also like to go right up to the ADIZ and turn back. I've never seen the USAF do the same...maybe we do, but we sure as hell don't do it often. Maybe not any more but back in the halcyon days of yore we did it all the time.
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Godholio posted:No idea if it's normal, but there are some differences between what you describe and what Russia did. The ADIZ goes out way, way further than 12nmi. If Russia had ADIZ boundaries like the US that path would be flying across it - thats pretty darn close to Severny Island.
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hobbesmaster posted:The ADIZ goes out way, way further than 12nmi. If Russia had ADIZ boundaries like the US that path would be flying across it - thats pretty darn close to Severny Island. I'm still waking up. Russia routinely penetrates the US ADIZ but doesn't violate sovereign airspace (as far as I'm aware).
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I'd be surprised if they don't gently caress up very occasionally like the USN does with their freedom of navigation ops.
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Godholio posted:I'm still waking up. Russia routinely penetrates the US ADIZ but doesn't violate sovereign airspace (as far as I'm aware). Correct. Penetrating the outer ADIZ will warrant a response. Flying into the inner ADIZ prompts a much stronger challenge. That doesn't happen. Not to my knowledge or publicly anyway. The outer ADIZ pen missions are fairly common.
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Is the B-52 considered current in terms of its jamming capabilities? Would it be expected to be able to enter airspace defended by a decently capable air defense system, or would it stick to firing cruise missiles or something from outside it until the system is mostly down?
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aphid_licker posted:Is the B-52 considered current in terms of its jamming capabilities? Would it be expected to be able to enter airspace defended by a decently capable air defense system, or would it stick to firing cruise missiles or something from outside it until the system is mostly down? Paging NSA WIZARD, NSA WIZARD please pick up a courtesy phone.
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The US would prefer not to fly a strat bomber directly into modern SAMs. Beyond that, see above.
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It looks like they were, what, 600 miles from Murmansk? That's well within published AGM-86 range? Either way, thanks for the feedback all - wasn't really aware of what Russia considered their ADIZ before.
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aphid_licker posted:Is the B-52 considered current in terms of its jamming capabilities? Would it be expected to be able to enter airspace defended by a decently capable air defense system, or would it stick to firing cruise missiles or something from outside it until the system is mostly down? First off, think about how many countries in the world actually have something that could be called "a decently capable air defense system" then think about what you're asking.
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If we have b52s going balls deep into a modern air defense network chances are it's the prelude to some fallout larping Edit: ok it was a dumb throwaway joke but now I'm wondering: how many countries have a deep, modern air defense network that would inflict significant losses on b52s but aren't nuclear capable? I know pre-civil war Syria was notorious for having its poo poo together in that regard. Any others? Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Edit: ^^^ Iran. Turkey Russian double digit SAMs are proliferating like mad so that's not quite as crazy as it would've been a few years ago. Then again, in a "real" regional conflict you'd probably have a dozen NATO fighters saying "magnum" over each other as soon as a radar powered up.
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