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crawlkill posted:because SA posted a bit about Fallout 4's Best Dialogue after the announce, which resonated deeply with me, and when I came around earlier I found like-minded peoplewholikegoodwriting. then I was reminded this terrible project exists after being bombarded from all directions on social media during the stream this evening, and came back hoping to again find sensible people. I failed in that. See, you're getting everyone all riled up and annoyed when you make big blanket statements like this. Your statement could easily be taken to mean that 'If you don't agree with me about this game then you're obviously not sensible' when you're talking about an opinion on an unreleased video game. Also, 'good writing' is purely subjective and there are going to be people who disagree with you. You make big sweeping statements like these, like the 'raped my childhood IP' statement, like the 'nostalgia' statement earlier then sit here and wonder why people get annoyed by them and start calling you out on your statements. crawlkill posted:plus, as I said, I expected to be joined by fellow haters, as I was earlier. unfortunately, the stream brought out the Bethesda-can-do-no-wrongers. More broad sweeping statements that overgeneralize and make people feel an urge to contradict you. You'd have a much more pleasant time if you didn't make as many of them. For the record, I'm a huge loving bethesda fanboy. I've probably sunk at least 5000+ hours into FO3, FNV, and Skyrim all together and god only knows how many in oblivion. That said, the games have flaws. Sometimes small ones, sometimes big ones. There are issues with every single one of them, and I'll be the first to admit or debate them. Just because I find the positives overwhelmingly outweigh the negatives doesn't mean I'm going to deny that there's anything bad at all.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:05
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You Mad Bro? 2 hours ago I have been a Fallout fan for a Long Time! This game is going to be bad rear end in my opinion regardleds because i am a fan! But i know for a Fact that this gameplay will not look the exact same on my PS4. This is just Pumped Up Super Graphics to show off what the "Can do" or it Will look this good PC. Either way i am still hyped for Fallout4! low hanging fruit i know but i admire You Mad Bro?'s simple minded optimism and you should too
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Jun 15, 2015 08:06
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drat. That was a good presentation. It did nothing to address the narrative issues that Bethesda tends to have, but demonstrated everything else in spades. And I've enjoyed the gently caress out of several of their games for the "everything else" part. New Vegas will always be special to me for how drat good the story was, but New Vegas also did things like take out the rock-it-launcher, and made sure all the guns were plausible and down-to-earth (accepting that energy weapons were still a thing). 4 seems to be returning to a whatever-the-gently caress mentality, which, as that combat montage emphasized, is not necessarily a bad thing. Basically, there's hints that this game is doing good things that a game in the tradition of New Vegas wouldn't. I'd always rather have a New Vegas style game, but I find myself looking forward to what we're going to get here. Also, I'm a sucker for city building games, and I can't help but fantasize about the idea that there might be a good one seamlessly integrated into this open world game. I mean, I'd be shocked if there weren't a shitton of issues with it, but I can still dream. MisterBibs posted:The more social justice-minded on my Twitter feed are apparently up in arms about the fact that you start out in a heterosexual relationship. I mean, if it was just about being queer... it's a psuedo-50s dystopia with a utopian veneer. Of course you could be gay but forced by convention into a traditional relationship. It just probably wouldn't look like that relationship. Well, however you want to play it I'm sure could be rationalized as the player snapping/waking up after the trauma of that opening... it could be a lot more constraining, now that I think about it more. I just hope when you inevitably run into your son out in the waste (don't imagine you won't- he'll probably be an old man or something too, having woken up 50 years before you or something) that your dialog options actually let you express what you're likely feeling. (Having to explain why you chose to leave vault 101 to your dad when you were in fact forced out is one of the most frustratingly dumb moments in game with a very frustratingly dumb main plot.)
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Jun 15, 2015 08:07
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The combat looked unsatisfying to me, there's no bullet holes when characters are shot, and the blood effects are quite primitive and exaggerated I think. I always thought the 2D Fallout games had better gore than FO3/NV, especially the death animation for machine-gunning someone where their upper half gets shredded, or being melted into a pile of guts by plasma weapons. I want proper bisection gore in FO4, where opponents can be cut in half. There's very few modern 3D games I can think of with that, only The Darkness 2, Syndicate 2012, Brothers in Arms: HH and Dead Space come to mind.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:07
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I AM BRAWW posted:Other well adjusted people who go around telling us how much they extremely dislike certain stuff: if Westboro were wandering around holding up signs saying "fags bought the license to their sexuality from noted sexual identity visionary William Burroughs and aren't respecting his tradition of transgressive surrealism," I'd be inclined to rethink my life in that light. "Bethesda writes poo poo stories" isn't really an argument comparable to "God hates fags." the important distinction is reasons. khy posted:For the record, I'm a huge loving bethesda fanboy. it is deeply surreal that you say that my saying "the stream brought out the Bethesda fanboys" (I deliberately changed it to can-do-no-wrong, but I'll use the word I meant to and you did) is a sweeping generalization while also owning to being one generalizations are a normal part of speech. you need to be able to deal with them. okay? I'm sorry if generalizations confuse you, but I can't help you there.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:07
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No Mods No Masters posted:Bethesda are even more self-hating RPG devs than Bioware and that's really saying something. They're slowly feeling their way towards some terrifying and ultimate janky tin can carrying simulator where no content will have ever been touched by a human
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Jun 15, 2015 08:07
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:They already did that with Daggerfall Time is a flat circle
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Jun 15, 2015 08:08
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It's not like there's much else to discuss about the game except what you hope it will improve on from previous ones, and which retards have already pre-ordered it because it comes with a badly-made pipboy.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:08
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Bethesda games are like 90's Schwarzenegger films: stupid but entertaining. They have little to no artistic merit but they're good spectacles if you just watch the fireworks and don't think very hard about them. I have no doubt that Fallout 4 will continue this trend.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:08
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No Mods No Masters posted:Bethesda are even more self-hating RPG devs than Bioware and that's really saying something. They're slowly feeling their way towards some terrifying and ultimate janky tin can carrying simulator where no content will have ever been touched by a human Bioware games still have a degree of customization though, you still pick a class to play as and you don't generally get enough skill points to do absolutely everything that class can do either. Fallout 4 doesn't look to even have that since by the end game you can do... Pretty much everything.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:09
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Maybe the shock of waking up 200 years later is enough for your character to swing the other way if he wants.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:10
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megalodong posted:It's not like there's much else to discuss about the game except what you hope it will improve on from previous ones, and which retards have already pre-ordered it because it comes with a badly-made pipboy. It looks like a better Borderlands game than Pre-Sequel, I'll give em that
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Jun 15, 2015 08:10
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crawlkill posted:if Westboro were wandering around holding up signs saying "fags bought the license to their sexuality from noted sexual identity visionary William Burroughs and aren't respecting his tradition of transgressive surrealism," I'd be inclined to rethink my life in that light. "Bethesda writes poo poo stories" isn't really an argument comparable to "God hates fags." the important distinction is reasons. It's hard to discuss the uh video game, and have a valid arguement (wherein both parties discuss their sides, points and opinions), with someone who is named crawlkill and filled with seething rage towards Bethesda and their uhm generic hm role playing action shooter game. Whatever anyone says, your mind is already made up on "Fallout 4 is going to be the worst." and it's a pity. Anyhow we know you'll forever long for the soothing embrace of an amazing story driven post-apocalyptic video game like Fallout 1/2, but you're ruining the whole Bethesda Praising CircleJerk we have here.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:11
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bhlaab posted:It looks like a better Borderlands game than Pre-Sequel, I'll give em that Out-doing the Pre-Sequel isn't exactly a difficult thing to do.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:12
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bhlaab posted:It looks like a better Borderlands game than Pre-Sequel, I'll give em that That's pretty damning with faint praise
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Jun 15, 2015 08:13
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Mr. Fortitude posted:That's pretty damning with faint praise I know.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:14
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Djarum posted:Anyone know how long it takes for a female to give birth in Shelter? It's been awhile now and it seems stuck until one of them gives birth so I can have another follower. I'd like to know this as well, because both babies are Three-Dog's and I need a vault full of radio DJs.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:15
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hemophilia posted:I'm pissed off that Fallout Shelter is a timed ios exclusive. What kind of rear end in a top hat releases for the platform with the least market-share? my one ios device is a loving 5c that's not even fit to piss on.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:16
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Can Fallout 4 even conceivably be called an RPG now? It looks like a bog standard shooter with limited dialogue options and a very pretty though ultimately superficial Wasteland Settlement Simulator bolted awkwardly on. I guess it remains to be seen if things like 'repair' will be a skill that can be used on a multiple of things in the environment. It looks like contextual menus is a thing now, so even if it isn't in the base game it should be something that can be added on with mods. Like the aforementioned lifts. This was something that was present in the isometrics and which also make perfect sense in 3d. Look like that is the case what with the towers/generators etc. What exactly from Fallout 3 appears to be missing? Other than the weathered art-deco aesthetic, which appears to have been polluted with derived sci-fi styling from other games (Mass Effect etc)
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Jun 15, 2015 08:17
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I AM BRAWW posted:It's hard to discuss the uh video game, and have a valid arguement (wherein both parties discuss their sides, points and opinions), with someone who is named crawlkill and filled with seething rage towards Bethesda and their uhm generic hm role playing action shooter game. Whatever anyone says, your mind is already made up on "Fallout 4 is going to be the worst." and it's a pity. Anyhow we know you'll forever long for the soothing embrace of an amazing story driven post-apocalyptic video game like Fallout 1/2, but you're ruining the whole Bethesda Praising CircleJerk we have here. I can't even tell how you feel here, but as noted above, I liked New Vegas? you can have an roleplaying action shooter game that still has strong setting-character-narrative elements, and Fallout 1/2 were also built on terrible-ish combat engines. literally my only point here is that Bethesda has lazy/underfunded/undersupported/over-corporate-managed/just awful writers. I don't know what combination of the five it is, and there are probably other variables that didn't spring instantly to mind. when they're working in their own IP, it's merely exhausting. when they're working in an IP rooted in strong storytelling, one that you care about, it becomes an issue worthy of complaint. and when people who like the game won't acknowledge the complaint, it festers and becomes bitterness. I have no problem with anyone who says "yeah, Bethesda scripts and narratives suck, but I like the games anyway." that's not what I hear from most people i talk to on the topic. I want to be able to enthuse about Fallout 4 more than most people would like to be able to. it's the fact that I can't that drives me to whine. I dunno why you think this isn't a normal way for a person to feel.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:19
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crawlkill posted:I can't even tell how you feel here, but as noted above, I liked New Vegas? you can have an roleplaying action shooter game that still has strong setting-character-narrative elements, and Fallout 1/2 were also built on terrible-ish combat engines.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:22
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I hope you can change the colour of the HUD elements. I guess they're going for the same style as the pip-boy, but that green looks really ugly and garish.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:23
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I think you should wait for whether or not Obsidian gets a side game contract, save all your obvious conclusions for that outcome. the sad thing is I'll be completely unable to resist buying Fallout 4. I give this poo poo a CHANCE. every time. "fool me an infinite number of times, shame on me." I hope Obsidian does a licensed game, but I don't think anyone thinks that's likely.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:24
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crawlkill posted:the sad thing is I'll be completely unable to resist buying Fallout 4. I give this poo poo a CHANCE. every time. "fool me an infinite number of times, shame on me." I hope Obsidian does a licensed game, but I don't think anyone thinks that's likely. At least wait until its on sale dude. Have some self respect.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:26
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crawlkill posted:the sad thing is I'll be completely unable to resist buying Fallout 4. I give this poo poo a CHANCE. every time. "fool me an infinite number of times, shame on me." quote:I hope Obsidian does a licensed game, but I don't think anyone thinks that's likely.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:26
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Eiba posted:I mean, if it was just about being queer... it's a psuedo-50s dystopia with a utopian veneer. Of course you could be gay but forced by convention into a traditional relationship. It just probably wouldn't look like that relationship. I always thought there was a pretty heavy subtext that James was having an affair with Dr Li, and that that was something that just wasn't talked about in F3. That and creepy christian moralism. FNV kind of had a more prohibitionist era everything-goes mobster undercurrent, which was cool too in it's own way. Maybe people just missed the subtleties of Fallout 3's story?
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Jun 15, 2015 08:26
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I just came back to remind everyone whose bitching that they're a bunch of man babies.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:27
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crawlkill posted:the sad thing is I'll be completely unable to resist buying Fallout 4. I give this poo poo a CHANCE. every time. "fool me an infinite number of times, shame on me." I hope Obsidian does a licensed game, but I don't think anyone thinks that's likely. Please don't buy bad games or DLC, and certainly don't preorder them.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:28
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TAKE MY MONEY BETHESDA
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Jun 15, 2015 08:28
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Flaky posted:Maybe people just missed the subtleties of Fallout 3's story? Ahahahaha.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:28
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bhlaab posted:At least wait until its on sale dude. Have some self respect. I actually asked myself if I would be able to do that. I can only hope. I REALLY LOVE FALLOUT. I need to see what they're doing to it, even when I'm sure it's gonna be atrocities. =\ Anime Schoolgirl posted:Have you considered BDSM it would make sense wouldn't it Anime Schoolgirl posted:Yes Bethesda wouldn't like practically free money this is totally a smart business decision other way around, Obsidian got badly burned on New Vegas, and even if they negotiated a more sensible contract this time around, seems like the bad taste might linger
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Jun 15, 2015 08:28
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No Mods No Masters posted:Time is a flat circle This thread in a nutshell. But in all seriousness I loving love pre-release Bethesda threads.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:29
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crawlkill posted:other way around, Obsidian got badly burned on New Vegas, and even if they negotiated a more sensible contract this time around, seems like the bad taste might linger
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Jun 15, 2015 08:30
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Flaky posted:Please don't buy bad games or DLC, and certainly don't preorder them. Yeah how dare people spend $50 on the sequel to a game from a studio whose games most people spend 80+ hours players. Literally. $50. Holy poo poo. That's like. 6 Hours of minimum wage labour.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:30
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Eiba posted:I mean, if it was just about being queer... it's a psuedo-50s dystopia with a utopian veneer. Of course you could be gay but forced by convention into a traditional relationship. It just probably wouldn't look like that relationship. All the pre-war stuff is just the questionable memories implanted into your robot body anyway, you can choose to believe they define your character as a person or not 
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Jun 15, 2015 08:31
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fennesz posted:This thread in a nutshell. is it always all optimism before and all bitching after or what?
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Jun 15, 2015 08:31
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No Mods No Masters posted:All the pre-war stuff is just the questionable memories implanted into your robot body anyway, you can choose to believe they define your character as a person or not
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Jun 15, 2015 08:32
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crawlkill posted:it is deeply surreal that you say that my saying "the stream brought out the Bethesda fanboys" (I deliberately changed it to can-do-no-wrong, but I'll use the word I meant to and you did) is a sweeping generalization while also owning to being one My point was that every time you make a generalization and someone steps forward to contradict it, you end up whining even more that they're only responding to parts of your posts or that YOU just happened to have experienced things differently than they did. You act all put out when people get on your case about the way you're presenting your arguments, all I'm saying is rather than bitching about the responses you should consider different wording. Case in point, it's entirely possible to be a fan of something while acknowledging its flaws and problems, which is the entire reason I called myself a fanboy earlier. In response to your poor choice of words to describe fans of the series.
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Did they say how many weapons the game is gonna have? did I miss something from the showcase?
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