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If you want their try at major status quo shifts and fresh takes, go back a year. Poor DCYou.
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Curious, I know that people talk about Barry's return as a thing because of Johns love of Barry, but wasn't it Morrison who brought back Barry in Final Crisis? It's been years since I read Final Crisis (and I really don't have an urge to revisit it) but was it Morrison or Johns who wanted Barry back?
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Jul 4, 2016 19:49
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JoshTheStampede posted:It's a Flash story only because every major universe shakeup uses the speed force as a macguffin. Before this only Flashpoint did that. And Flashpoint was notoriously an unplanned hijacking of a normal Flash story. Madkal posted:Curious, I know that people talk about Barry's return as a thing because of Johns love of Barry, but wasn't it Morrison who brought back Barry in Final Crisis? It's been years since I read Final Crisis (and I really don't have an urge to revisit it) but was it Morrison or Johns who wanted Barry back? They brought back Barry in Final Crisis to sell it but it was to set up Flash Rebirth which was the reason they were bringing back Barry. They were advertising Barry returning in Rebirth moreso than Final Crisis. Morrison wrote it as Wally doing the same thing, anyhow, there was just some redundancy to add another big moment. It was EVS who wanted Barry back the most and Johns obliged. Atleast, EVS takes the credit for pestering Didio about it until he acquiesced and Johns obviously, you know, wrote the garbage that followed.
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Jul 4, 2016 21:47
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Before this only Flashpoint did that. And Flashpoint was notoriously an unplanned hijacking of a normal Flash story. And Crisis. And kinda Final Crisis.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:22
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Morrison hijacks editorial if anything. "So 52 will explain the one year gap we're doing, right?" "Sure!" *Writes space dolphin priest Lobo story" "Any chance you could tell us what you have planned for your Superman origin so we can let George Perez know what he can write? No? Okay. You're the man." Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Jul 4, 2016 22:26
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JoshTheStampede posted:And Crisis. And kinda Final Crisis. There was no Speed Force before 1993 or whatever so no, not Crisis. I think the only thing the Speed Force did in Final Crisis was kiss Iris better.
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Jul 4, 2016 22:32
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Teenage Fansub posted:If you want their try at major status quo shifts and fresh takes, go back a year. Nah that's fine. Like I said it's just an internal bias from jumping into Marvel right around when Hickman launched his run on New Avengers and Avengers. I guess there is still a lot of things in the background with the totally not beyonders from in between space that hasn't been revealed yet. Of course that doesn't mean anything will. Oh sort of a random question, but right before Rebirth there was that truth and justice arc I read part of (and wasn't bad), but is there any reason why they didn't use American Way? Just wondering if they've followed the whole approach of all the recent Superman movies and just kiboshed it to generic Earth values?
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Jul 4, 2016 22:37
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Two Tone Shoes posted:There was no Speed Force before 1993 or whatever so no, not Crisis. Ok, instead of Speed Force I should have said "The Flash and associated bullshit derived from running really fast"
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Jul 4, 2016 23:51
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JoshTheStampede posted:Ok, instead of Speed Force I should have said "The Flash and associated bullshit derived from running really fast" I'll give ya COIE and Flashpoint but Infinite Crisis, Zero Hour, and Final Crisis were pretty Flash irrelevant in the overall story. Just kind of show up for a bit. edit: Just hit me that it is kind of funny that the only big ones where The Flash was central were when Barry was the main Flash. I guess we'll see how "big" Rebirth is and Wally is going forward. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Jul 5, 2016 02:30
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It's because Flash is the savior of the universe. He'll save every one of us.
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Jul 5, 2016 07:35
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Squizzle posted:It's because Flash is the savior of the universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4_Z84-rRE
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Squizzle posted:It's because Flash is the savior of the universe. I think Barry's batting 1 for 2 on saving the universe instead of destroying it, to be fair.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:26
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Bizarro dialogue is a delicate balance, I thought Morrison was skating on the razor's edge of tolerability with it. But it came off as poetry next to Jeph Loeb's Bizarro (and Batzarro, and Yellow Lantzaro and Bizzonder Womzarro or whatever) in Batman/Superman. There's "speaking opposite" and "Not-Me You not unsay goodbye not when me not unenter not a door not-me not unthink no-yesterday!"
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Jul 5, 2016 18:33
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That's just following it to the logical conclusion and I can respect that. Inconsistent bizarroing bugs the hell out of me.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:41
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Is gonna be interesting to see how Lobdell handles this new Bizarro in RHATO
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is gonna be interesting to see how Lobdell handles this new Bizarro in RHATO For completely inexplicable reasons, he'll have his galactic evildoer characterization from Superfriends.
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Jul 5, 2016 18:52
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"Poorly"
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WickedHate posted:That's just following it to the logical conclusion and I can respect that. Inconsistent bizarroing bugs the hell out of me.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:04
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You're not wrong, it's all dumb, which is why I think Bizarro should just talk normally. But if you're gonna do the reverse speech, you gotta commit. Otherwise it's just lazy.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:14
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WickedHate posted:You're not wrong, it's all dumb, which is why I think Bizarro should just talk normally. But if you're gonna do the reverse speech, you gotta commit. Otherwise it's just lazy.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:23
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Lobdell am best writer in all of comics
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Jul 5, 2016 19:25
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i really don't like bizarro or his speech patterns
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Jul 5, 2016 19:27
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Just write normal dialogue with an asterisk and an editors footnote "translated from bizzarrish". Or put a translator around his neck, that would be hilarious.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:29
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Travis343 posted:Lobdell am best writer in all of comics I think you mean Lobdell am not best artist on none of movies. 
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Jul 5, 2016 19:34
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WickedHate posted:I think Bizarro should just talk normally. Xinder posted:i really don't like bizarro or his speech patterns greatn posted:Just write normal dialogue with an asterisk and an editors footnote "translated from bizzarrish". You're the worst people. I don't want to know your opinions on Etrigan.
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Jul 5, 2016 19:44
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Teenage Fansub posted:You're the worst people. I don't want to know your opinions on Etrigan. Etrigan should be played by Lin Manuel Miranda
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Jul 5, 2016 19:49
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Teenage Fansub posted:You're the worst people. I don't want to know your opinions on Etrigan. But Etrigan is great? He's at the top, I'd rate.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:00
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Teenage Fansub posted:You're the worst people. I don't want to know your opinions on Etrigan. It always the best of times when Etrigan drops some of his dope-rear end rhymes.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:01
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I think Etrigan is ace. Also he is not from space.
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Jul 5, 2016 20:12
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greatn posted:Etrigan should be played by Lin Manuel Miranda  except Black Thought.
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Jul 5, 2016 21:02
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Actually I changed my mind he should be played by Daveed Diggs.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:47
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The worst that can happen is that book and Lobdell writing it.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:50
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Would you rather Lobdell be on something with promise? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:57
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Does your heart actually flutter seeing a plain house ad for Red Hood? I wish I could love something as much.
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Jul 5, 2016 22:59
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As a fan of Jason, I'd like to see him given to fresh hands. Counting multiple series', it's kind of inexplicable Red Hood has lasted so long, let alone with the same writer.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Does your heart actually flutter seeing a plain house ad for Red Hood? Well, Red Hood/Arsenal never had a single ad through its whole run so I'm just happy about seeing RHATO Vol. 2 having one. Plus, I like the tagline  WickedHate posted:As a fan of Jason, I'd like to see him given to fresh hands. Counting multiple series', it's kind of inexplicable Red Hood has lasted so long, let alone with the same writer. If ain't broken
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Jul 5, 2016 23:06
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:If ain't broken Realtalk, some good moments aside, I can't say Lobdell's run has been nearly good enough all the way through that I wouldn't give it a brand new creative lead. Well, one I like, at any rate. Tynion's interlude was the nadir and possibly the worst thing to ever come out of the New 52(yikes). I...guess it's hitting the mark with it's audience, though, given your praise and the baffling fact that it still exists.
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I wish I could be as excited for literally anything like DT is for Red Hood.
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Is Jason really still a rogue Robin at this point? He's got Batman's symbol on his chest, he makes it to all the family functions, and Bruce has only ever given him a finger wagging over the past few years. He's no more a rogue Robin than Nightwing at this point. I like having Bizarro around, but I don't know what his purpose is from a narrative point. Like, I get that it's cool to see heroes fight their literal reverse. That's why nearly everyone has one. I just don't know what you do with him after that.
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