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https://twitter.com/AnonyMooseXIV/status/1357879457659428865?s=20
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Apr 19, 2021 14:47
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Actually, I think if this is connected to Silvertear, and not just turning up there because we're near, that deconfirms the 24-player raid being about Silvertear. This would, if anything, be the MSQ staking this as its claim. Which clears the way for the 24-player to be about something that... you know, has actually been mentioned in-game at any point since 2013. Like Gelmorra. Or Amdapor. Or the Elementals--you know what, just make the alliance raid 'Dealing With The Shroud's Bullshit' and I think we're good.
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Apr 19, 2021 14:58
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Cleretic posted:Actually, I think if this is connected to Silvertear, and not just turning up there because we're near, that deconfirms the 24-player raid being about Silvertear. This would, if anything, be the MSQ staking this as its claim. Which clears the way for the 24-player to be about something that... you know, has actually been mentioned in-game at any point since 2013. Omega was both a 3.5 MSQ plot point and a 4.0 raid series, so this could easily be both too
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Apr 19, 2021 15:04
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Yeah I don't think being part of the MSQ means it can't be a raid. It's just that the raid is unlikely to significant impact the MSQ (until they decide to make it mandatory in seven years time).
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Apr 19, 2021 16:06
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Cleretic posted:So, something from the 5.5 trailer that someone in the Novice Network brought up today, that I'm surprised we never brought up at any point. Forgive the blue slash, that's a scene transition I couldn't frame-by-frame out. Its venat. Momma crystal can't talk directly because her heart is out walking around.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:06
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Tall guy. Robe. Mysterious. It's just loving Urianger again.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:07
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I mean, there are still a lot of mysteries so the raid could be anything from the Elementals, to "what happened in the First/Second Astral Era" to "is Rowena actually a sundered Ancient who invented Capitalism?".
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Apr 19, 2021 16:25
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Yapping Eevee posted:Because this is a two-part patch, there's story stuff in that trailer from 5.55 as well. (That isn't the only shot in there we didn't see yet.) So the answer is "we don't know until Late May". I don't think he specifically said a new character, just a character that would have some import to 6.0 would appear. It could be a new character or it could also be Fordola with her obvious "new expansion" redesign.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:27
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Its venat. Momma crystal can't talk directly because her heart is out walking around. That seems like a bad idea, given that most of the reason Zodiark is losing right now is because Elidibus decided he was bored and lonely.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:30
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Cleretic posted:That seems like a bad idea, given that most of the reason Zodiark is losing right now is because Elidibus decided he was bored and lonely. Yes. They're setting up a lot of parallels between the two both in ShB and the lead up to EW like that key art they showed off where they're two halves of the same figure. It would also explain why she needed a 3rd party to be her voice in 3.x forward.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:34
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That's another alternate history take. Until, say, months ago in storyline, Zodiark was winning. Elidibus was probably essential to that process, and even if not, his interference hasn't been a negative. If he didn't pop out of Zodiark, he probably would have been sundered and stuck the entire time anyways. The only reason that's changed is they all decided to hop into a clown car and ride it into the WoL.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:36
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:That's another alternate history take. Until, say, months ago in storyline, Zodiark was winning. Elidibus was probably essential to that process, and even if not, his interference hasn't been a negative. If he didn't pop out of Zodiark, he probably would have been sundered and stuck the entire time anyways. And that now they just left the giant crystal mech free for a Garlean fight idiot to take. We actually have, now that I think about it, pretty much no idea what most of the Ascians were up to this whole time. We know that Emet was responsible for Calamities three and seven on the Source's side (partial credit for seven also goes to Lahabrea), that Loghrif and Mitron were in charge of prepping the First (and hosed it up), and that Elidibus pulled Unukalhai to the Source after, according to a wiki check just now, Igeyorhm bungled the first Rejoining. That's a LOT of blanks, and very little information to fill it with. We know that Elidibus' style means he probably wasn't responsible for the sixth Calamity, which is the only other one we have details on; I'm inclined to pin #6 on Lahabrea, just because we know weirdo doomsday weapons were involved, while none of the nations at war felt particularly 'Emet' in scope or outlook. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, except that it's hard to really say Elidibus was an influential sort before the game's events. He's not responsible for anything we know they did, at least.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:06
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It seems like Zodiark was winning until the Ascians got impatient. There were what, thousands of years between calamities and then they try to kick one off only five years after the last. Granted Bahamet didn't cause as much destruction as the previous ones but it counted for a rejoining. Though I suppose they only tried again so soon because they hosed up on The First and we're about to have a repeat of The Thirteenth.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:13
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At the very least he saved Cylva from the 13th, who was instrumental in the 8th calamity, until it was averted. He also sent the Warriors of Darkness to the source, with their various plans. He might not have done the front line on any plan, but likely had his hands in a lot of them. Probably a lot of balancing the issues on the shards, as well as the status on the source. After Thordan failed, he sent help to clean up the Warring Triad, as one example. Otherwise, it's hard to tell what they were doing in general.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:14
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My understanding is that the thousands year gaps weren't by choice but because the calamities gently caress the world up so badly there just isn't the capacity to do another one for a good long while. Louisioux saved the source during the seventh calamity, leaving them free to try for a double. There's probably some alternate reality where the WoL keeps knocking down calamity-juiced primals without ever getting a swing at the unsundered themselves and they just blow through all the remaining rejoinings in a single generation
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Apr 19, 2021 17:37
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That's pretty much it. Most calamities left the world back in the stone age. It takes time to rebuild society enough that it can do damage to that scale again.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:39
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I think it's weird how the Ascians hosed up the 13th and instead of stopping or trying to fix it they just went "ah 13/14 is probably fine, right guys?"
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Apr 19, 2021 17:54
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Badger of Basra posted:I think it's weird how the Ascians hosed up the 13th and instead of stopping or trying to fix it they just went "ah 13/14 is probably fine, right guys?" I think I recall them thinking that maybe the flood of light would balance it out? I forget, though.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:57
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Badger of Basra posted:I think it's weird how the Ascians hosed up the 13th and instead of stopping or trying to fix it they just went "ah 13/14 is probably fine, right guys?" I figured they were leaving that one on the back burner to figure out later while they worked on the mergings they knew they could do. We know from Eden that it's possible to reverse a Flood, after all.
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Apr 19, 2021 18:03
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I think their plan was that they didn't need a full rejoining. Like, 10/14 would be enough for Zodiark to break his chains, at which point he can do the rest.
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Apr 19, 2021 18:09
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13/14's gonna be good enough, or maybe Zodiark can fix the rest once he breaks free. They're not gonna say "welp, one's lost. Time to give up." Eden and the First isn't really a good example of the Flood of Darkness though. The scale of devastation on the Thirteenth is well beyond the First, and at least on the First all the aether is still there and somewhat usable.
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Apr 19, 2021 18:43
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:13/14's gonna be good enough, or maybe Zodiark can fix the rest once he breaks free. They're not gonna say "welp, one's lost. Time to give up." yeah thawing out something frozen (metaphysically, via light aether stagnation) is probably quite a bit easier than putting something back together that's been in a blender for a while (metaphysically, via darkness aether chaos)
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Apr 19, 2021 21:03
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I'm honestly starting to think that the Ascians had no idea what the gently caress they were actually doing with the Rejoining. Not in a "bad writing" way, in a "they just kind of had to hope it would work even though it really obviously wasn't going to work" way.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:40
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Chillgamesh posted:I'm honestly starting to think that the Ascians had no idea what the gently caress they were actually doing with the Rejoining. Not in a "bad writing" way, in a "they just kind of had to hope it would work even though it really obviously wasn't going to work" way. Each "success" must have given them confidence it would work though right?
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Apr 19, 2021 22:24
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Chillgamesh posted:I'm honestly starting to think that the Ascians had no idea what the gently caress they were actually doing with the Rejoining. Not in a "bad writing" way, in a "they just kind of had to hope it would work even though it really obviously wasn't going to work" way.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:43
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Nessus posted:Ultimately it was three guys, one of whom was incredibly naive, one of whom was incredibly sad, and the last of whom was Lahabrea. Emet-Selch was clearly the dominant figure in this group based on what we know now, although Lahabrea may have had some chops that we just did not see because he was mostly being Riku from Kingdom Hearts before we killed his rear end. Actually, since like I mentioned Igeyorhm is given credit for loving up the Thirteenth (only mentioned in the first Encyclopedia Eorzea, naturally), we can assume that more than just the three Paragons were on deck for all the big moments--most likely, all thirteen. It could've been anyone's credit for finally getting a Rejoining right. To the point where it probably doesn't matter, because... well, what do we do with that information? Give Pashtarot a trophy for thinking of 'what if simultaneous genocides' as a plan? Kill them harder? More likely, let them have that achievement and never once interrogate it as evil to the level that it deserves? Also, minor correction: give credit where it's due, we didn't kill Lahabrea, Thordan did. And it continues to be in the top five MSQ moments.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:00
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Cleretic posted:Also, minor correction: give credit where it's due, we didn't kill Lahabrea, Thordan did. And it continues to be in the top five MSQ moments.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:10
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Speaking of the trailer though I'm suspicious that there's one more dungeon because there's footage of trusts fighting Ifrit, Odin, and Ravana
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Apr 20, 2021 01:43
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It might be a solo duty? Most patches have one and I noticed its absence this time around.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:47
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Yeah, the theory being kicked around is that it's likely a solo duty and perhaps even a role-play one (like, the Scions all split off to deal with multiple lunar primals at once, so you do each fight as one of them, kind of thing). At the very least, it seems to be taking place at Carteneau (or somewhere with very similar geography), so they wouldn't likely make a dungeon out of that.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:49
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It's possible. The only solo duty with trusts in the game so far is the Emperor Varis trial in the pre-Bozja quests. Seems unlikely to me they'd put in three new ones in a x.55 but a dungeon would also be weird. Maybe it's just a big misdirection and it's actually a cutscenes lol
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Apr 20, 2021 01:50
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Using trusts would actually be a nice way to make solo duties that can actually be slightly difficult outside of just being a gear check.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:51
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having a surprise dungeon would absolutely own, if not just so EXDR didn't have relict for the next 6 months.
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Apr 20, 2021 02:33
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Really the only reason the ascians aren't winning anymore is because the scion pulled a permadeath macguffin out of their Sharlayan asses. The actual plans getting thwarted isn't the hugest of deals, it's probably happened often enough before and at least team Ardbert managed in recent memory. I don't think there's anything they could have done to avoid their gradual extinction other than proactively taking out the scions instead of being mysterious cutscene-only dudes for 90% of the game.
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Apr 20, 2021 02:48
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Nessus posted:We killed Thordan like twenty minutes later so by the transitive property, By ending the Dragonsong War we have killed every last one of its victims. That's why Zenos has such a murderboner.
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Apr 20, 2021 04:50
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To be fair we also did all the work on Lahabrea. Thordan just came for the kill steal.
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Apr 20, 2021 05:09
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:To be fair we also did all the work on Lahabrea. Thordan just came for the kill steal. The final shot is always the important one with Ascians, though, you don't kill them right and they just come right back. Given that the dragon's eye we had was busy murking Igeyorhm, Thordan had to step in. He was helping!
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Apr 20, 2021 05:22
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I love helping. I helped shuffle Thordan off this mortal coil.
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Apr 20, 2021 05:25
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Chillgamesh posted:I'm honestly starting to think that the Ascians had no idea what the gently caress they were actually doing with the Rejoining. Not in a "bad writing" way, in a "they just kind of had to hope it would work even though it really obviously wasn't going to work" way. The Ascians, in particular the Unsundered, are extremely unreliable narrators. Two were Tempered and the third was literally the heart of the god that did the Tempering and missing at least some major share of his actual identity, of the remaining two, one was severely depressed and the other had been driven into a 15000 year long manic phase. Their plan for the 13th really did basically boil down to 'Once Zodiark is fixed, Utopia is just another sacrifice of lives away.' A post rejoining world would've just been a factory for producing more aether, eternally trying to fix the previous fuckup in procedure. 'We need more aether to fix the part of Zodiark that we lost with the 13th.' 'We need more aether to bring our sacrificed friends back.' 'We need more aether to restore the world JUST SO....' etc etc etc. They're Tempered, they can't think of a solution that doesn't, at some point, involve 'Let Daddy Fix It.' and for Zodiark to fix it, a sacrifice will ALWAYS be required. Gearhead fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 17:19
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Gearhead posted:A post rejoining world would've just been a factory for producing more aether, eternally trying to fix the previous fuckup in procedure. That's what's always stopped them from being truly sympathetic figures to me. If there had been anything that pointed to "yes, this plan is 100% foolproof if we can pull it off", it'd come off a lot less "cool murder, still interdimensional genocide".
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