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Fallom posted:Kind of struggling to think of what a save icon would be if not a floppy
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Zenostein posted:They went through the trouble of updating every possible disk type you could jam into a macintosh to their neat photorealistic style. It would be unthinkable to leave in the old 2d rectangle Macintosh HD icon. What else could they have possibly used? It's a hard drive, so it looks like a hard drive, just as a CD looks like a CD and floppies look like floppies (I presume, because I cannot possibly remember the last time I used a floppy disk in OS X). I mean in the sense that the vast majority of computer users, especially Mac users, shouldn't be expected to know what a hard drive looks like. I didn't think I was being that outré here. When I click "like" on a tweet I'm not clicking on a photorealistic human heart. I would have expected Apple of all companies to come up with an abstract symbol to represent persistent storage. If the IT world can have a stacked cylinder that universally says "database", surely something similar for "the place where you save things" would pay long-term dividends in a world where they had to know the tech/medium would change invisibly over the coming decades but the use patterns probably wouldn't.
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Dec 18, 2018 11:49
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Data Graham posted:I mean in the sense that the vast majority of computer users, especially Mac users, shouldn't be expected to know what a hard drive looks like. I didn't think I was being that outré here. There’s no need to “know what a hard drive looks like”. Regardless of the icon being a rendering of a hard drive, that is the symbol used for a persistent storage. The icon is completely divorced from what it represents physically, but is used as a conceptual representation. Much like the floppy disk icon doesn’t represent an actual floppy disk, but instead is in the computer using consciousness as the “save symbol”. This isn’t a Mac thing, it’s pervasive across Mac, Windows, and Linux GUIs. It’s misguided and idiotic pedantry to argue for changing the iconographic representations that have been embedded for decades.
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Dec 18, 2018 13:12
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Data Graham posted:I've always thought it was a pretty hilarious choice of Mac OS X to use a photorealistic picture of an internal hard drive for its Macintosh HD icon. It's incentive for you to paste over the hard drive with your own icon. The Classic/OS 9 HD icon was an external hard drive forever despite Macs not needing external drives since 1987. All of the disk types in OS X are lovingly photorealistic renders. Even the LS120, SmartMedia, and Magneto-optical disk icons are still in 10.14. At this point they really should be named "Macintosh SSD," shouldn't they?
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Dec 18, 2018 14:20
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The obvious solution to making a good save icon is what every decent Mac app does: not include one at all and autosave everything.
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Dec 18, 2018 14:58
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I hate the mail.app icon. Just an envelope would be fine.
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Dec 18, 2018 15:01
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tankadillo posted:The obvious solution to making a good save icon is what every decent Mac app does: not include one at all and autosave everything. This is true.
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Dec 18, 2018 15:01
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tankadillo posted:The obvious solution to making a good save icon is what every decent Mac app does: not include one at all and autosave everything. On the one hand it's a totally stupid accident of history that we have such concepts as "saving" and "booting" and "loading from disk into memory" in the first place, and I can't wait until they are all gone. But on the other I still regularly autopilot my way through traditional muscle-memory workflows like taking a high-resolution PNG and scaling it down in Preview, exporting as a JPEG, closing the window, and realizing just then that I have hosed myself out of my hi-res original because now it's saved scaled-down and can't be restored. e: Oh you mean I have to "duplicate" this 11.5GB file before working with it, oh nah that's okay I'm not short on disk space or anything *watches beachball for 100 hours* Data Graham fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Dec 18, 2018 15:03
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Data Graham posted:On the one hand it's a totally stupid accident of history that we have such concepts as "saving" and "booting" and "loading from disk into memory" in the first place, and I can't wait until they are all gone. We use Office 365 SharePoint as our intranet at work, and periodically IT has to send out emails reminding people to make a copy of a PDF form before filling it out because just filling it out in the browser will autosave that information for the next person who opens it.
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Dec 18, 2018 15:07
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tankadillo posted:We use Office 365 SharePoint as our intranet at work, and periodically IT has to send out emails reminding people to make a copy of a PDF form before filling it out because just filling it out in the browser will autosave that information for the next person who opens it. Hmm you should be able to change that using permissions.
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Dec 18, 2018 16:04
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I hope they never get rid of the floppy diskette save icon.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:33
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macOS and Mac Software: Angry about icons
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Dec 18, 2018 19:46
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Symbol, Icon, and Index. I guess the Save icon isn't an icon anymore and is now a symbol. Click the save symbol.....the one that looks like a small square with a notch.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:49
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There's an easy and obvious way to deal with all this arguing about icons...
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Dec 18, 2018 19:57
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Dick Trauma posted:There's an easy and obvious way to deal with all this arguing about icons... God I knew this poo poo was bad when I was 12 years old. Why did people think putting a blurry-textured physical recreations of objects on screen was better than just some well designed GUI options in the 90's? Ugh it makes me angry just to look at. I think the floppy icon is fine, it's recognizable for its purpose, that's all you need. It doesn't matter if ships don't have an old-timey looking captain's wheel or anchor, if I see those icons on a map I'll know they are referencing a seaport or something nautical related. Tbh I think there are much more problems with hamburger menu icons, 3 dot icons (both vertical and horizontal) which all seem to mean "we stuffed more poo poo in here"
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Dec 18, 2018 23:11
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:God I knew this poo poo was bad when I was 12 years old. Why did people think putting a blurry-textured physical recreations of objects on screen was better than just some well designed GUI options in the 90's? Ugh it makes me angry just to look at. It was bad back then and it was bad when they tried to bring it back in iOS
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Dec 19, 2018 00:35
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Seriously look at this poo poo I bet the clickable hitbox for the buttons didn't anywhere near match that skin, either. Was the idea that this was easier for computer illiterate boomers or what? Tag yourself -- I'm one of the five images of a telephone handset, which may or may not be clickable interactive UI elements Pakistani Brad Pitt fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 02:21
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I’m the postage stamped letter ICON on a “phone” inside a “computer” in “2001”.
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Dec 19, 2018 03:43
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Data Graham posted:If the IT world can have a stacked cylinder that universally says "database" That's a bunch of cylinders of a hard drive. So it's maybe a better analogy for the save icon becoming abstracted but still fundamentally the concept of a floppy diskette.
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Dec 19, 2018 04:15
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Is there an easy way to share my entire Mac hard drive on a local network to be accessed by a Win10 PC? (I'm copying stuff over). I tried the built-in OSX file sharing but the PC can't seem to access the smb address.
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Dec 20, 2018 11:46
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MZ posted:Is there an easy way to share my entire Mac hard drive on a local network to be accessed by a Win10 PC? (I'm copying stuff over). Did you do this? https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25346?locale=en_CA
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Dec 20, 2018 11:57
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tuyop posted:Did you do this? Yes I followed all of that.
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Dec 20, 2018 12:17
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MZ posted:Is there an easy way to share my entire Mac hard drive on a local network to be accessed by a Win10 PC? (I'm copying stuff over). Can you share a folder on the Windows machine and push the files from the Mac?
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Dec 20, 2018 14:56
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Toast Museum posted:Can you share a folder on the Windows machine and push the files from the Mac? Maybe, I'll try that thanks!
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Dec 20, 2018 15:58
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Ok, I want a recents folder that's actually useful. So I made a smart folder with the following settings: All of those items shown are in ~/Library/ What gives?
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Dec 21, 2018 16:27
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Document Container isn't Folder, seems to be iCloud Metadata. https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/183054/document-container-vs-folder-name
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Dec 21, 2018 17:06
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Pivo posted:Document Container isn't Folder, seems to be iCloud Metadata. That's weird, I don't even have folder name as an attribute!
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Dec 21, 2018 17:28
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tuyop posted:That's weird, I don't even have folder name as an attribute! Yeah I looked through the options trying to find something that matched what you want but I couldn't find it. It seems that these search attributes are specifically item metadata of which 'full path' string is not one ... Since that guy on SO's description for Folder Name says folder name containing "the project", I'm guessing he has some software installed that writes that metadata to its project files. For example I have Transmit-related metadata in that list, which wouldn't exist on a system without Transmit installed.
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Dec 21, 2018 19:56
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KeePass X is now way out of date and is a 32-bit program, so I need a new password manager. Asked this question a year ago and the recommendation given was for MacPass which is now a year out of date itself. (Also I was lazy and never upgraded.) What's the current recommendation? Strongbox seems to have had some good reviews in the past but there are only 5 now--can't tell if that's just because it's a new version or what.
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Dec 21, 2018 20:37
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Evidently Apple likes sneaking new features to their CLI commands.. Turns out macOS 10.14.2 has a new feature added to the diskutil command. If you issue this command from Terminal from a 10.14.2 startup key: code:Here's Apple's new man page on the feature: Apple posted:For Fusion Drive machine hardware configurations, reset the disk devices in the machine to a This option is only available on diskutil that comes with 10.14.2, doesn't show up in .1 or 0.
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Dec 21, 2018 20:44
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The Macaroni posted:KeePass X is now way out of date and is a 32-bit program, so I need a new password manager. Asked this question a year ago and the recommendation given was for MacPass which is now a year out of date itself. (Also I was lazy and never upgraded.) What's the current recommendation? Strongbox seems to have had some good reviews in the past but there are only 5 now--can't tell if that's just because it's a new version or what. 1Password is the best. Get a stand-alone license.
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Dec 21, 2018 21:14
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Pivo posted:1Password is the best. Get a stand-alone license. Yup. Love 1Password, some of the best money I've ever spent when it comes to apps.
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Dec 22, 2018 02:01
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qutius posted:Yup. Love 1Password, some of the best money I've ever spent when it comes to apps. Absolutely agree
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Dec 22, 2018 02:12
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Last Chance posted:Idk, I've seen icons with a down arrow pointing to a device or symbol and that gets the point across that you're putting a file somewhere tuyop posted:I’ve only ever seen a floppy. Safari 
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Dec 22, 2018 10:07
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Boris Galerkin posted:Safari That’s not a save icon at all! Download and save aren’t even close in meaning!
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Dec 22, 2018 11:49
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I'll go with 1Password. Thanks everyone! Last question: where do I find the info for a standalone license? Their website is doing their best to funnel me towards a subscription and I'm too dumb to find the actual "CLICK THIS FOR A STANDALONE LICENSE AND PAY THIS MUCH" page. Edit: Given my needs, may not be the worst thing to get their "Families" product even if it is an annual subscription.
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Dec 22, 2018 15:20
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The Macaroni posted:I'll go with 1Password. Thanks everyone! Last question: where do I find the info for a standalone license? Their website is doing their best to funnel me towards a subscription and I'm too dumb to find the actual "CLICK THIS FOR A STANDALONE LICENSE AND PAY THIS MUCH" page. I personally abhor the idea of perpetually paying a subscription fee to use a password manager, like it keeps you hostage. Also it makes a lot of sense to keep your vault files on Dropbox and manually handle backups yourself. You probably have cloud storage somewhere already -- why do you need to perpetually pay a fee for hundreds of kB of their cloud storage? It makes no sense. To purchase a standalone license, download 1Password. When it asks you to license it, there will be small text that says "Need a license? We have those too." That being said - if a subscription works for you and you feel strongly about it, whatever, you do you. I've been posting about hating most software subscriptions in every thread that it comes up. IMO you have to evaluate each on their value that it adds, and for software like a password manager, I don't believe it adds any and instead is a liability.
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Dec 22, 2018 15:29
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Seems like a password manager would be a thing where you would want a subscription model keeping things as up-to-date as possible.
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Dec 22, 2018 15:33
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withak posted:Seems like a password manager would be a thing where you would want a subscription model keeping things as up-to-date as possible. So install the updates?? The last time between paid releases was 5 years. And I'm pretty sure they still maintain the old one for critical issues.
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The thing I like about 1Password Families/Teams is the ability to easily share passwords with people without granting access to all of my passwords. At work in particular, Teams is absolutely amazing. To me, having that sort of capability and ease of use is more than worth the subscription cost.
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