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ilkhan posted:Isn't it actually cheaper if you activate it up front too? Yeah, I got the price from playing with the build-a-car at the Tesla store a few days ago; it's an option like any other. I didn't know it was more expensive to activate post-purchase.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:As long as it's clearly shown as non-GAAP and the differences are clearly defined, what would the grounds be for a lawsuit? Not a lawsuit over their account practices, a lawsuit over the results. GAAP means generally accepted because it tends to help avoid shady bookkeeping. The way they report could also give the false impression of better performance than was realized, which could be another issue.
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Just got my Soul EV after 7 months on a waiting list.. This car is awesome, even in the frozen arctic where I live.
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Model Xs are showing up in DC. There were two at Cars and Coffee last weekend, and earlier this week I got to drive one, briefly. Too short to form a proper judgement but I think I prefer it to the Model S, at least from the perspective of the driver's seat. Not the biggest fan of the looks and the interior still needs work but that driving position and 756hp (or whatever) and no body roll is a winner.
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Subjunctive posted:Does anyone use stereo cameras for depth cues? I believe that Subaru uses it for adaptive cruise control/automatic braking.
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drgitlin posted:The ability to unlock it after the fact is actually genius. Even if it's a more price sensitive market that balks at paying for it upfront, you'll still get a ton of owners paying to enable it a year or two down the line. Speaking of price sensitive markets, that could also be a great thing for people shopping for used cars. When I was shopping for a Prius, only a small percentage of the ones I saw for sale had the adaptive cruise control (which I wanted very much). Being able to get any Prius from after a certain model year and have that feature added would have made things much easier.
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 This dump truck is fitted with 600 kWh (2.16 GJ) of batteries. It “regeneratively” brakes downhill with a full load of rock then drives uphill on energy stored in the batteries. Because the mine is at the top of a mountain, the truck is actually a net electricity producer. BRB, registering the trademark “lithoelectric”.
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Mar 18, 2016 02:26
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So now I'm trying to figure out if you could make a business plan work by charging people a nominal fee to rent a "mass cart" at the top of a long high grade to give batteries a recharge boost as they go downhill. It would depend on how efficiently you could return them to the top. Maybe if it was next to a railroad...
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Mar 18, 2016 02:39
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bull3964 posted:So now I'm trying to figure out if you could make a business plan work by charging people a nominal fee to rent a "mass cart" at the top of a long high grade to give batteries a recharge boost as they go downhill. It would depend on how efficiently you could return them to the top. Maybe if it was next to a railroad... Pick up every hitchhiker.
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Mar 18, 2016 02:57
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bull3964 posted:So now I'm trying to figure out if you could make a business plan work by charging people a nominal fee to rent a "mass cart" at the top of a long high grade to give batteries a recharge boost as they go downhill. It would depend on how efficiently you could return them to the top. Maybe if it was next to a railroad... Please don't accelerate the rotation of the earth, I don't get enough sleep as is.  Also cross posing my volt post in the ai/bfc thread, reasonable price? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3213538&perpage=40&pagenumber=309#post457577944 blugu64 posted:How will you be using the car?: 16 round trip commute (can plug in at home (L1) and work(L2 $1/hr)) and 3-4 cross country trips a year. (Before you think it, I don't want a leaf+rental car)
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blugu64 posted:Also cross posing my volt post in the ai/bfc thread, reasonable price? I can't speak to the price, since I'm horrible with numbers, but the gen I Volt does have some weird HVAC idiosyncracies that might drive you up a wall if youre not mechanically inclined enough to understand what is going on. There is no way to shut the AC completely off to save energy, except by turning the system (including the vent fan) completely off. Even then, it will occasionally start up and run anyway. (The AC evaporator is used to cool the battery coolant loop under some conditions.) This one is particularly annoying when the weather is nice enough to run with the windows down, except you cannot, because the Volt has AWFUL buffeting with any or all of the windows down, even at relatively low speeds. There's apparently a dealer-installed modification kit for the rear-view mirrors that solves this issue (picture of a modified mirror here,) but I don't have that kind of weather often enough to bother with it. This issue causes particular consternation for me, because the window between the AC compressor running, and the heater turning on is RAZOR thin, only like 3°, and you cannot separately turn off the heater. That fucker will try to hold EXACTLY the temperature you set, and will crank the heat up if it goes under the setting, even if that setting is 82°. Speaking of the heater, but unlike the optional heat pump in the Leaf, in the Volt it's an electrical resistance unit, and therefore is horribly wasteful. Not an issue for me in south Florida, but I'm unfamiliar with the climate where you are. Using the heat can easily knock 5-10mi off the EV-only range. (I've only purposely used mine twice, so again, not exactly familiar.) The biggest thing I can recommend to you is to not worry about the EV range, and just drive the damned thing. It's not an EV-only vehicle, and that's the BEST PART. Not having to worry about running out of charge, while still getting 90% of the commute benefits of an EV is awesome, but I find that quite a few Volt owners treat it like a full-EV, and will actually change plans to accommodate the Volt's limited EV-only range. That's dumb, and bad. Don't be that guy. All of that said, mine has 46k on it with a 100mpg lifetime average, and has had zero non-routine maintenance items that weren't caused by my friend tripping on the charge cord in the dark.  It has thrown a code for the charge door a few times (they went to a manually-operated door in MY2014 because of that loving latch,) but you just put some more lithium grease on the release catch and its good for another year. It's a really great car.
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bull3964 posted:So now I'm trying to figure out if you could make a business plan work by charging people a nominal fee to rent a "mass cart" at the top of a long high grade to give batteries a recharge boost as they go downhill. It would depend on how efficiently you could return them to the top. Maybe if it was next to a railroad... Find a stream or a spring up near the top, and fill up a 55-gallon drum with water. That's about 450 pounds of additional mass. Dump the water at the bottom. If you used some kind of cable car system to bring the drums back up, and powered that cable car with a waterwheel somewhere along the stream, it would cost you nothing other than installation, labor, and the occasional replacement of a drum.
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Sagebrush posted:Find a stream or a spring up near the top, and fill up a 55-gallon drum with water. That's about 450 pounds of additional mass. Dump the water at the bottom. If you used some kind of cable car system to bring the drums back up, and powered that cable car with a waterwheel somewhere along the stream, it would cost you nothing other than installation, labor, and the occasional replacement of a drum. If only we could automate this process, maybe using a pipeline instead of barrels…
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Sagebrush posted:Find a stream or a spring up near the top, and fill up a 55-gallon drum with water. That's about 450 pounds of additional mass. Dump the water at the bottom. If you used some kind of cable car system to bring the drums back up, and powered that cable car with a waterwheel somewhere along the stream, it would cost you nothing other than installation, labor, and the occasional replacement of a drum. Please forward this idea to the producers of Mad Max 3: Fury Stream
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Platystemon posted:If only we could automate this process, maybe using a pipeline instead of barrels… Or imagine if you could somehow make the cars watertight, so they'd be buoyant, and maybe design them with a rounded bottom for good hydrodynamics and protection from impact and abrasion...then you could just, like, put the cars in the water and they'd be like, water-cars. and you could float them right down the river.
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Model 3 launch is drawing nearer! So it's time for leaks and fakes. This is an official pic by Tesla, so not a fake but just a teaser.  This is alleged to be a leaked picture:  http://www.hybridcars.com/is-this-the-tesla-model-3-model-y-or-a-hoax/ Not mutually exclusive shapes, so it could be real. Probably just a good photoshop. If it's not real, then it's certainly a good suggestion to Tesla. It's like an X when it was young and slim!
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Ola posted:This is alleged to be a leaked picture: One of the car blogs had a good image showing how that's just a photoshop of a Model X press image. The most obvious thing to note is the shadow, which whoever shopped it forgot to shorten.
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Mar 18, 2016 14:06
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I would lol if that's what it looked like
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Mar 18, 2016 17:20
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At least some reservation details are confirmed, though I wonder if I'll be camping at the Tesla store on the night of the 30th...
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I would lol if that's what it looked like I saw a supposed picture which looked like a smaller S, which I what I would expect. Also, didn't someone here work at the gigafactory? If so send me a PM.
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I tried to drive to it and look around, but they have a gate on the road. 
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wolrah posted:One of the car blogs had a good image showing how that's just a photoshop of a Model X press image. The most obvious thing to note is the shadow, which whoever shopped it forgot to shorten. Pretty sure the Model 3 won't have 21" wheels.
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drgitlin posted:Pretty sure the Model 3 won't have 21" wheels. That would be hilarious. Some penny-farthing poo poo.
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What chargers are people getting for home? Im getting the audi etron, and need to plug it in at home, outside. My garage is filled with motorcycles and broken 70's cars, so I don't have much place to plug in the supplied charger. Also, I have a car trailer in the driveway, so its not super convenient to drive up to the My electrical panel is in the garage, so it won't cost too much to get a proper plug/circuit. I have one for my welder already, but its scabbed on and totally non-code/safe, so I don't want my wife to be always using it. One option is to wall mount the charger on the garage wall, and then hope not to trip over the cable on the way to the front door. Other option is to get a post charger in the garden beside the driveway. Or get a really long extension cord and park on the other side. Real answer is clean up all the redneck stuff in the yard, but that means I have to throw away my dreams of having time to work on cars.
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Do all electric cars charge on either side? Guessing not. Having seen a few different setups I think the ideal one is (assuming LEFT hand drive and the ability to charge on either rear side of the car) to have a charging station on the right side of the garage, then you can reverse in hop out and plug in on your way rearwards around the car to the garage door. If you don't prefer reversing in to your garage then I hope god has mercy on your soul.
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I think the charge ports are all over the board, like gas fillers in the 70's. The Audi's is on the front grill. The Volts is on the front fender. Tesla is on the back.
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I don't have a garage, so mine is mounted on the side of the house next to the driveway. I hope that helps? Probably the only thing better on the Leaf than the Teslas is that the charge port is in the absolute best place, on the front nose of the car. It's very likely the Model 3 I plan on getting next will have it in a place similar to the Model S, which isn't as convenient imo, but at least it will have a goddamned "charge at X oclock when electricity is cheap" feature which I currently have to implement by walking outside at 10 PM and plugging it in my drat self  I also just bought the cheapest charger at home depot dot com, it was half the price of the others that didn't offer any features worth $500+ other than maybe a timer but I'd rather have $500 than not go outside for like, one minute at night.
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I usually back into charging spots, but even when I don't it's not hard to take the extra 10 steps to reach the back port. Even on public chargers the reach has always been sufficient.
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So is anyone else taking the time out to preorder a Model 3 on the 31st at a Tesla location? I hope not, that way I can be the first in line regular schlub who doesn't work for Tesla or own one
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Heh, most people are going to try ordering online, Good luck with that, enjoy your car in 2023.
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Boten Anna posted:So is anyone else taking the time out to preorder a Model 3 on the 31st at a Tesla location?
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Mar 25, 2016 20:05
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I am holding out for a dyson, it sweeps the driveway also.
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I finished paying off my Prius this month, and I'm heading up to the NYC autoshow tomorrow to see and hopefully sit in an Arcimoto SRK. This can't end well...
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I think I'll wait for news on the hatchback/crossover version.
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The Arcimoto should be eligible for the federal tax credit, right? There's no limitation on getting the credit for a motorcycle? Do I understand it right: it's $2500 for the first 5 KWh of battery, and $417 per KWh of battery past that up to a max of $7500, meaning the 12KWh version would get $5419 and the 20KWh would get the full $7500?
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fordan posted:The Arcimoto should be eligible for the federal tax credit, right? There's no limitation on getting the credit for a motorcycle? Do I understand it right: it's $2500 for the first 5 KWh of battery, and $417 per KWh of battery past that up to a max of $7500, meaning the 12KWh version would get $5419 and the 20KWh would get the full $7500? It looks like there is a tax credit for motorcycles, but only for up to $2500: http://cleantechnica.com/2015/12/21/electric-motorcycles-have-a-tax-credit-again/
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A day and a bit away from the most important EV news this year! But the first pre-orders will open very shortly. https://twitter.com/TeslaMotors/status/715269494478753792
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I took tomorrow morning off... Should be fun. Its 8:30PM PDT for the reveal event, right? Or 6:30? Can't remember.
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Does anyone have any experience or general Tesla knowledge about how the batteries / operation handles in -20C to -30C (0 to -20F)? The most extreme case would be the -30C example where it would be a to/from commute plus parked outside for 8 hours. It's extreme, but a possible occurrence for ~5 years of ownership in Minnesota...
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ilkhan posted:I took tomorrow morning off... Should be fun. I'll be at the local Tesla store, like some kind of loving early adopting loser. I just hope I can get it knocked out in time to be at work.
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