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I like how Caliborn actually enjoyed Trickster Mode. It fits well into his character. He wants quick cheap ways around the system and that he enjoys seeing people miserable. The majority of the fandom absolutely hated trickster mode by the time Jake got turned like Hussie said and Caliborn, who represents Homestuck haters, loved seeing how annoying it was. Also I find it a little strange how Hussie denounced the JuJu sending. I mean, it wasn't just Caliborn who caused everything. Calliope sending her JuJu as well is what made this all happen. I'm thinking separately the JuJus work as support items, but together they become a ridiculously powerful cheat. If he didn't authorize the action ("author" being the keyword in that word) that means Caliborn at this point seems to be able to operate completely separate of Hussie's willpower and command system, which previously could influence all the characters.
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Jan 27, 2013 06:14
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Color Printer posted:So, um, can Caliborn type into the command box, too? That's what I'm getting from the [gently caress YOU!] Sounds like it, yeah. Hope everyone is ready for more Trickster Mode!
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Jan 27, 2013 06:38
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Wookie Bouquet posted:Oh no. If earlier events in the story are consistent, I am fearful that lollipop might have a new owner. Ooh, I didn't see that one. Good thinking!
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Jan 27, 2013 06:45
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Dolash posted:You tell me, peachy This is an interesting point.
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Jan 27, 2013 06:48
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If Caliborn bashing on the tower with a crowbar is actually affecting Jane in some way that's, uh, certainly a thing.
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Jan 27, 2013 07:34
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Wookie Bouquet posted:Oh no. If earlier events in the story are consistent, I am fearful that lollipop might have a new owner. As a juju, it can't have a new owner unless Jane dies or gives it to someone else. Does going God Tier count as dying for the purpose of those rules? It is a mystery.
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Jan 27, 2013 07:37
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lotus circle posted:I like how Caliborn actually enjoyed Trickster Mode. Caliborn enjoyed Trickster Mode because it was the raunchiest, dirtiest porn he'd ever seen.
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Jan 27, 2013 11:06
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Cabbit posted:If Caliborn bashing on the tower with a crowbar is actually affecting Jane in some way that's, uh, certainly a thing.
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Jan 27, 2013 13:10
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Comic posted:Caliborn could also be angry because he's the Lord of Time and you can't just go backwards like that when he wants to know more. Dang I didn't know I'd be so right. It wasn't that hard to predict though considering how Caliborn had hearts in his eyes when he was seeing Jane started prancing around hitting things with a giant sucker.
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Jan 27, 2013 13:20
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Cabbit posted:If Caliborn bashing on the tower with a crowbar is actually affecting Jane in some way that's, uh, certainly a thing. The crowbar is seemingly the most powerful and destructive tool we've seen on Homestuck. Spades Slick used it to destroy stable time loops. The Beforus trolls referred to it as a juju breaker, able to destroy otherwise undestroyable things. Caliborn stole a piece of the website the last time he used it. I suspect we won't know it's full power until we finally find out the true nature of jujus.
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Jan 27, 2013 15:55
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So wait...did Trickster Mode "happen" or not? And if it did, will anyone besides Jane remember it?
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Jan 27, 2013 17:22
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Evil Mastermind posted:So wait...did Trickster Mode "happen" or not? And if it did, will anyone besides Jane remember it? Did you see the most recent couple pages? It pretty explicitly did. We just skipped forward a bit and turned the act-counter back even though the story (and the timeline it's currently focused on) is advancing. My phone occasionally freaks out and sets its date and time back by a month and a half or so; this doesn't mean the flow of time itself is all messed up, it means I should get a new phone. Likewise, Hussie went back to the last "sensible" act because Act 6 Act 5 Act 2 was getting uncomfortable, and I guess the analogy here is that Caliborn might decide the story needs a new narrator? Search me.
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Jan 27, 2013 17:34
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Evil Mastermind posted:So wait...did Trickster Mode "happen" or not? And if it did, will anyone besides Jane remember it? It did. It is 100% canon. It also lasted longer than what we were shown. Much longer. They will probably all remember it in vivid details.
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Jan 27, 2013 18:11
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Cat Mattress posted:It did. It is 100% canon. It also lasted longer than what we were shown. Much longer. Actually since the kids probably aren't here yet it couldn't have lasted more than a few hours. Edit: Also it's kinda funny that the final big battle thing is coming up and all of the alpha kids probably have huge hangovers. senseinobu fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 27, 2013 |
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Jan 27, 2013 18:56
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Cat Mattress posted:It did. It is 100% canon. It also lasted longer than what we were shown. Much longer. Longer than what we were shown, but, as the most recent update shows, perhaps not longer than we will have been shown.
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Cat Mattress posted:It did. It is 100% canon. It also lasted longer than what we were shown. Much longer. We probably haven't seen how it really resolved, either, except in a room of brown chains and un-trickstered Jane looking freaked out.
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Jan 27, 2013 22:23
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I'd say its pretty clear that she's either on her quest bed or close to it.
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Jan 27, 2013 22:57
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Considering the chains that evoke the core of Derse I'd say she's on her God Slab, the same thing Aradia went God Tier on.
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Popo posted:Considering the chains that evoke the core of Derse I'd say she's on her God Slab, the same thing Aradia went God Tier on. Yeah, she's almost definitely in the core of Prospit's moon. And seeing as the only part of the cores that's apparently solid is the slabs, she practically has to be on one.
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If, indeed, all four kids are to kill themselves on their Quest Crypt beds, we've got several wrinkles that hopefully won't cause huge problems: - Previous Crypt godtiers have all involved Green Sun -powered fire. We don't know if that's a coincidence or a requirement. - Aradia, Dave, and Rose all God-tiered when their dreamselves died on their Quest Crypt. Jake is his normal self. - The last time Jane's dreamself died, it Lifey-thing'd itself back to life. Would this happen again?
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Jan 28, 2013 02:12
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Bobulus posted:If, indeed, all four kids are to kill themselves on their Quest Crypt beds, we've got several wrinkles that hopefully won't cause huge problems: One more problem. -Whenever people go god tier they go to the battlefield, but CD blew up the battlefield.
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Jan 28, 2013 02:40
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senseinobu posted:One more problem. They don't go to the Battlefield if they die on their moon quest beds.
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Jan 28, 2013 02:42
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senseinobu posted:One more problem. Dave, Rose, and Aradia didn't, though.
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Jan 28, 2013 02:43
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Bobulus posted:- Previous Crypt godtiers have all involved Green Sun -powered fire. We don't know if that's a coincidence or a requirement. Calliope's stated parameters didn't involve that. So, you know, another point against requiring green sun fire. still possible though. senseinobu posted:One more problem. That's only when they die on their planet's quest bed. Everybody who's died on a quest slab has ascended right where they were laying.
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Jan 28, 2013 02:45
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Bobulus posted:- The last time Jane's dreamself died, it Lifey-thing'd itself back to life. Would this happen again? Jane's Lifey Thing seems to have a bit of a delay, like the God Tier revival process. Similar to how the Meenah timed the bomb she used to kill everyone, it's probably entirely possible for Jane to go God Tier before her lifey powers actually revive her. Assuming Hussie isn't throwing a ton of red herrings at us about going God Tier.
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Jan 28, 2013 02:49
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I bet Gcat is going to blow up Derse and Prospit to kill them, just to further muddle the "do you need the Green Sun to ascend on the moon slabs?" question.
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Ariong posted:Calliope's stated parameters didn't involve that. So, you know, another point against requiring green sun fire. still possible though. Almost all information sources in this story are unreliable, so I'm not sure we can be 100% about Calliope's statement. Heck, she probably got her info from Rose's book, who has even less info than we do. The main reason Godtier attempts will probably succeed is the alternative is dead players, and I can't see that happening ...to more than one of 'em.
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Jan 28, 2013 03:01
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Jane's going to finally get around to dying on the slab, and just before the hammer drops she'll notice that she's in the wrong moon. More corpses. 
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Jan 28, 2013 03:56
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Seoinin posted:Jane's going to finally get around to dying on the slab, and just before the hammer drops she'll notice that she's in the wrong moon. On the next episode of MS Paint Adventures...
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Jan 28, 2013 03:59
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This is a level beyond God Tier. You can call it God Tier 2.  Vriska's already done this. Vriska owns.
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Jan 28, 2013 05:33
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Sugar hangover Dirk's hair is quite astounding, I must say.
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Jan 28, 2013 11:08
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Okay, this update was pretty impressive. 
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Jan 28, 2013 11:11
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Homestuck has seen fully animated and scored flash epics, meta-narrative site takeovers, interactive adventures, being bashed to pieces by a crowbar and now this. Hussie, whatever you do, don't ever stop!
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I think I preferred trickster mode layout to this. Even if it is a little cool, the stretch across the monitor is kind of a pain. So it looks like everyone got on their quest beds between all of this mess. Other than that, I really liked Hussie's talk about the cherubs and how different they are compared to trolls and humans. Whereas trolls and humans aren't ridiculously different, the insight on cherubs really makes me appreciate Caliborn and Calliope more. Especially Calliope, who claims to know a great deal about humans...except not really. Like Caliborn, she thought her JuJu would be a great method of helping out Jane with any problems she has, when in reality it just made things a whole lot worse. I also enjoy Caliborn in how stubborn he is to change who he is. The irony of him being against going backwards is palpable all things considered, but he has no idea about it at this point and nobody wants to tell him. It looks like everyone is going to ascend, but that is still to be seen. As depressing as it is to say, I wouldn't be surprised if Jane started showing suicidal tendencies because of everything she's been put through today and over the course of the past months we didn't see the Alpha kids (she did mention to Roxy early in the Act that she was upset how little the game has progressed and that it was part of the reason she blew up)
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Yes, both Caliborn and Calliope have fundamentally alien cultural touchstones. The difference between Caliborn and Calliope is that, while Caliborn is now stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that his decision was the wrong one, Caliope would have immediately been embarrassed about her ignorance and her part in harming her friends. These different attitudes are also why Caliborn is
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I like that Jake is wearing his helmet again. Jane seems to be using Jake's phone, or at least a phone alchemized from Skaianet technology which came from Jake. Roxy, too, has her phone, so everybody's connected. (I wonder if it means something that the boys have wearable computers while the girls' are handheld.) Dirk's eyebrows are probably the most emotion we've seen out of any version of his face to date. Caliborn's desire to speed up his viewing (which is spoken of as the same as, or at least a major part of, his quest, which is a meaningful detail) is germane to the fact that the story is apparently skipping over the important things that the kids did while they were high, and possibly also accelerating towards the next Critical Event. Gamzee's key had a smiling harlequin keychain while Caliborn's was frowning. They're purple-colored, but I can't tell if that's Highblood Purple, Rage Purple, Trickster Purple, or Horrorterror Purple (all distinct shades). I make note of the fact that the keychains are that exact shape as John's kernel, the huge harlequin present that Dad gave him, the face he drew on his wall, and, ultimately, the chucklevoodoo-created Jack Noir doll in his bedroom on Prospit. It all comes back to Gamzee and recurring mysterious allusions to the two Mirthful Messiahs. Who or what is responsible for specifying the elements of Caliborn's quest, and why? I guess next we wait and see what's about to kill them.
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I wonder where Jake's dreamcorpse is. I remember after his funeral parade, many of us thought this might be where they put it; but apparently not. On the other hand, perhaps they did and the tricksters displaced it when they got here. (Or the Condesce had it stolen for inscrutable reasons.) I know there's been some speculation regarding Jake and that fenestrated wall that's about(ish) to have a small fast thing shoot out of it and Weekend at Bernie's, but - well, there's already a perfectly good Jake corpse hanging around somewhere, as far as the latter goes. Incidentally, the fenestrated wall means that whatever happens here, it can't involve Jake's inventory getting destroyed. Unless he handed it to someone else offscreen or is about to give it to Jane, I guess, or it was a red herring all along and actually serves no purpose except to confuse the audience. I don't expect either of these to be the case. Player corpses are pretty resilient, though, so that doesn't necessarily mean he won't die without godtiering even if GCat blowing everything up is the way it goes.
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senseinobu posted:One more problem. Common misconception - they go wherever their Dreamself is, and their Dreamself takes over as the main body and goes God Tier. John - his dreamself was on the Battlefield. Jade - her dreamself was in Jadesprite, who was on the Battlefield. Aradia, Rose and Dave all died on the quest beds in their moons as their dreamselves, which immediately went God Tier (in Aradia's case, completely destroying her "main" body as her God Tier self took over as the "main" Aradia). The moon quest beds may as of yet show themselves to be different from the quest beds on the planets in more ways than one. It's kinda been implied that it has to be a dream self that dies in the moon quest beds and a "main" self that dies on the planet quest beds, and hey, since Jake is the only one that's not a dreamself, I guess we're about to find out! 
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