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a cyborg mug posted:Maybe, just maybe a lot of those people aren’t in fact arguing in good faith Exactly. You never hear them complain about Raw audiences not knowing who nxt call ups are, despite nxt’s audience being a 1/3 of Raw’s at best.
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Nov 6, 2021 16:41
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Do any of these people actually watch Raw or Smackdown or is the limit of their Standing Up for WWE just whining about another show on twitter?
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Nov 6, 2021 16:55
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"if you want real life go watch the kardashians" may be one of the funniest things I've seen posted by one of these broke brains
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Nov 6, 2021 16:57
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I'll never understand the obsession these people have with causal audience. When I'm watching TV I couldn't give a gently caress less what someone else thinks if I'm enjoying myself.
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Nov 6, 2021 17:39
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JT Smiley posted:I'll never understand the obsession these people have with causal audience. When I'm watching TV I couldn't give a gently caress less what someone else thinks if I'm enjoying myself. The wrestling industry as a whole has this weird particular thing where the the consensus is that the thing that makes the most money is objectively the best.
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Nov 6, 2021 17:44
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It's not just wrestling that tries to chase the casual audience though. Industries like games, comics, manga/anime will all have properties pop up where they are trying to get a casual audience and for the most part they usually end up pretty bad for the property.
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Nov 6, 2021 17:47
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the guys who bring up casual fans the most are usually insufferable know it alls who have just seen something that didn't work for them personally or hinged on someone they didn't recognize immediately, so how could it have played for the hypothetical casual fan who recently hatched, fully 18-49 years old, holding a ratings journal? not well, that's how
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Nov 6, 2021 17:51
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I get why the people at the top worry about causuals, but as a fan it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. It's like when people defend Niki A.S.H (almost a superhero) (tm)because it's for kids as if that's the end all be all defense for criticism.
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Nov 6, 2021 17:52
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They care about the casual fan because they're the casual fan. Haha it would be weird to care a lot about wrestling.
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Nov 6, 2021 17:53
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There is nothing wrong with having kid friendly gimmicks and lower barriers of entry for new fans. That helps you create new fans which is good long term! However WWE doesn't have lowe barriers of entry and its stuff is very uncool for kids so it's attempt at casual fans isn't working (which is why it's ratings and house show attendance is flat)
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Nov 6, 2021 18:18
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Lamuella posted:That's always the big trick that AEW seem to grasp and WWE have forgotten how to do: if you act like someone or something is a big deal, people will treat them like a big deal. But the WWE doesn't want anyone to be a big deal. They want the WWE to be a big deal, and the wrestlers to be interchangable and replacable.
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Nov 6, 2021 19:05
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El Generico posted:But the WWE doesn't want anyone to be a big deal. They want the WWE to be a big deal, and the wrestlers to be interchangable and replacable. They definitely want Roman to be a big deal!
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Nov 6, 2021 19:16
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MassRafTer posted:They definitely want Roman to be a big deal! Hence why he's one of the only people who is.
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Nov 6, 2021 19:49
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hence means therefore, not "that's" just a little piece of poo poo post to read here for everyone. nothing n3w
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Nov 6, 2021 20:04
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It's really bizarre how obsessed Anti-AEW types are with "Casuals" as if I'm supposed to care whether or not people who are less invested in a tv show than I am are interested in it. That somehow WWE is the best because random people you don't know watch it? My best guess: they're obsessed with Wrestling being Mainstream again. They don't really understand or get that wrestling was really only "Mainstream" for a few short years in the late 90's when WWF happened to line up with what the rest of pop culture was like and they'd lucked into having 2 of the biggest stars in the history of the business at the same time, and that there's nothing wrong with enjoying a niche product that most of the world doesn't really care about, but that's not good enough. They don't wanna get called losers for liking "that fake fighting poo poo" like they did when they kids in the early 90's and anything that doesn't line up 1:1 with how wrestling was that brief window where it was popular is not only bad but a horrific insult to them personally and must be eradicated.
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Nov 6, 2021 20:57
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It's extremely funny seeing WWE stans go on about casual viewers when WWE has shed like half of its audience in a couple of years. If there is a major promotion that has run off all but the hardcore fanbase all the evidence points at that promotion being WWE.
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Nov 6, 2021 21:08
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's extremely funny seeing WWE stans go on about casual viewers when WWE has shed like half of its audience in a couple of years. If there is a major promotion that has run off all but the hardcore fanbase all the evidence points at that promotion being WWE. That argument never works on WWE Stans, they'll just go "Yeah but WWE's lost more viewers than AEW will EVER have! ZERO GROWTH!" as if that's a burn somehow
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Nov 6, 2021 21:12
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Drakkel posted:That argument never works on WWE Stans, they'll just go "Yeah but WWE's lost more viewers than AEW will EVER have! ZERO GROWTH!" as if that's a burn somehow And they talk about how millions of casual fans still watch WWE clips on youtube
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Nov 6, 2021 21:39
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mooseinfants posted:And they talk about how millions of casual fans still watch WWE clips on youtube The Punk/Kingston promo segment has like 700k views in less than 24hrs
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I think what a lot of the WWE stans miss, especially newer fans, is that a huge portion of the AEW/indies/international fanbase consists of lapsed WWE fans who got sick of being disappointed and disillusioned over the years when WWE was the only game in town, and only seeing their favorites in WWE succeed because audiences forced their hands. They don't realize how desperate wrestling fans were to find alternatives for years, how much better they saw their favorites treated elsewhere, and how difficult it was for a long time to find consistent content elsewhere. Nowadays, those alternatives are both really good AND more accessible than ever due to advancements in streaming tech, so people are leaving WWE in droves because now they can. Even 5 years ago it was a pain in the rear end to get regular content from all the Japanese promotions & US indies I watch now with any sort of consistency, and now I can find them with a few clicks and I know exactly what I'm getting. I can even check out episodes of promotions I don't follow just to see what they have to offer. People who have only ever watched WWE and hate everything else have no idea how refreshing that feels as a long-time fan. Lamuella posted:If you've never seen, say, Suzuki before, and his music plays and everybody in the ring and in the crowd and on commentary is going "oh gently caress", then you will pick up the cues that Suzuki is a big deal.
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Nov 7, 2021 01:01
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JT Smiley posted:I get why the people at the top worry about causuals, but as a fan it doesn't matter to me in the slightest. It's like when people defend Niki A.S.H (almost a superhero) (tm)because it's for kids as if that's the end all be all defense for criticism. I don’t care about casuals, but I do care about kids. If someone wants to do a super hero gimmick to appeal to kids, more power to them. It’s just up to the company to book them well. AEW wrestlers act like a bunch of kids, so they don’t really need to pander.
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There are 20 year old WWE fans who have never really seen anything else. Maybe some old stuff on WWE network or the Peacock thing but they're not old enough to have lived through the Monday Night War or the 80s competition with the NWA, USWA, etc. Also the internet makes you stupid so you combine those things and here we are.
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Elephant Ambush posted:There are 20 year old WWE fans i don't know
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Nov 7, 2021 01:34
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here they are
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Cavauro posted:here they are lmfbo got me good
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Cavauro posted:here they are thats the january 2022 NXT release list
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Cavauro posted:here they are 
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https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/1457192971036672000?t=MK5U4W7ARddQ-unKPx_k8A&s=19 The Hurricane throwing a tantrum on twitter, go through his replies to see the real being a baby stuff
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Nov 7, 2021 06:50
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Please stop reading the dirtsheets for info on how we “have no plans for anyone,” and instead focus on the TV show where it’s abundantly clear we have no plans for anyone
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Nov 7, 2021 07:02
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He's going to change his tune when he gets cut for budget reasons. If they're gonna cut Gerald Briscoe or Arn Anderson they're gonna cut The Hurricane
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Tampa Bae posted:He's going to change his tune when he gets cut for budget reasons. If they're gonna cut Gerald Briscoe or Arn Anderson they're gonna cut The Hurricane They literally already fired him once last year, he's desperately towing the company line
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Nov 7, 2021 07:06
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cauliflower jones posted:https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/1457192971036672000?t=MK5U4W7ARddQ-unKPx_k8A&s=19 Today I find out Shane Helms evidently has never heard of Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, god knows how many magazines and websites, or the “Entertainment” section of the newspaper
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Nov 7, 2021 07:09
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Dude whose whole gimmick is being a comic book geek doesn't understand why fans are invested in the making of the media they consume
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Nov 7, 2021 07:19
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Drakkel posted:They literally already fired him once last year, he's desperately towing the company line They hired him back after one cameo for AEW.
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Nov 7, 2021 07:35
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How many different wrestlers will throw themselves on the pyre of "surely, it is the fans who are wrong" for a paycheck
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Nov 7, 2021 07:50
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I wonder how WWE wrestlers feel when producers/agents/backstage people like Hurricane and Road Dogg go on social media and basically tell the fans to stop giving a poo poo about the people whose lives their bosses have ruined, it must make for a very fun backstage environment
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Nov 7, 2021 07:50
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Drakkel posted:I wonder how WWE wrestlers feel when producers/agents/backstage people like Hurricane and Road Dogg go on social media and basically tell the fans to stop giving a poo poo about the people whose lives their bosses have ruined, it must make for a very fun backstage environment There's no way that'd even fly anymore but people are taking the talent seriously now
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Nov 7, 2021 07:58
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imagine being so isolated from the media people consume that you don't even know about the "what went wrong?" article/video cottage industry that exists around highly anticipated media that sucks when it comes out
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For a lot of people in corporate environments, you stamp out that self-awareness a bit as almost a subconscious exercise. You're not dumb, you can very visibly see what's going on and it bothers you and makes you mad, but you quickly learn your anger is not only irrelevant but deleterious, because you're never going to be in a position to change anything nor will any of the people who are change what they're doing because of anything you say or do, meaning the only possible result of your putting your anger where it's deserved is everything still sucks and now you don't have a job anymore. But that anger doesn't actually go away, and for whatever reason you can't just turn it inward and quietly hate yourself like the rest of us do, which means it has to go somewhere. And hey, a lot of the time dirtsheets DO suck, and a lot of wrestling fans CAN be idiots, so you're already angry at them, and if you're already angry at them, why not be even angrier at them? It's their fault things suck, after all. It's not your problem.
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