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Majorian posted:-Georgia Trump squeeked by there but yeah. Turns out saying "cut spending maybe?" and "Trump bad." doesn't really sway suburban conservatives and does nothing to motivate undecideds or the base.
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Covok posted:9/11 may have pulled things, but things were less partisan back then. Now, Republicans have gone full crazy on the political and voter level. I remember a loving Starcraft custom maps site talking about "YOU'RE WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US!" 9/11 loving busted some people.
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Edible Hat posted:How is Covok different from the alt-right man-children who post comments on Breitbart articles predicting a thousand year kek-reich? The only difference is that Covok pretends that he thinks this would be a bad thing.
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mango sentinel posted:Trump squeeked by there but yeah. Turns out saying "cut spending maybe?" and "Trump bad." doesn't really sway suburban conservatives and does nothing to motivate undecideds or the base. trump didn't squeak by there? rubio won fulton in the primary and clinton won it in the general. there's no way to tell how the sixth performed independently
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Jun 21, 2017 04:57
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Majorian posted:Similar to 9/11? Pretty high. It's not impossible, but the likelihood of a terrorist attack that spectacular and that deadly happening over the next year and a half are low. There was also this: https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/877367888037818368 It feels like one half of the equation is some measure of stupidity and incompetence while the other is putting anything resembling electoral victory second (third, fourth, maybe fifth?) to making bank off of consulting fees and other such skullduggery.
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:I don't even care about what a pissbaby covok is, it's that he's so aggressively stupid that gets me.
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Lote posted:I chose the four least partisan senate elections according to PVI. South Carolina is the 4th. The Democrats did really well in 2012 I have a good feeling the Democrats will not win the South Carolina Senate seat in 2018. In fact I'm all but sure they won't even run a candidate!
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Tatsuta Age posted:Counter point, Handel was also an incredibly bad candidate and won on nothing but "NANCY PELOSI!!!" Yeah, but still, deep red district. Had Ossoff run a better campaign, I think he could have squeaked out a win. Handel had a big advantage going in. But that's not really the important point to take from this, IMO. The real point is, white, affluent, Republican suburbs aren't the districts that the Dems should be gunning for going forward. Enough with the dumb Panera Bread strategy.
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Majorian posted:-Georgia Maybe my expectations were too high, but I thought that even affluent white people would begin to swing Democrat because the Republicans are literally insane at this point. I mean, the sisterfuckers, snake handlers and freemen-on-the-land might be beyond reaching, but if you can't even convince educated people, and people who aren't in an economically depressed shithole ravaged by heroin, to vote Democrat at this point, things are well hosed. EDIT: I mean, by Canadian standards I lean slightly right-wing, and Ossoff basically seemed like the sort of fiscally moderate, middle-of-the-road candidate I'd most prefer to vote for, at least based on all the campaign ads I saw on the Atlanta-based TV channels I get. PT6A fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Petr posted:What are the chances something similar won't happen later this year or early next? What incentive does the current administration have to prevent it, even if they had the ability? If they do allow it, how does it do anything but make them look like gigantic fuckups?
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It's not the leadership that's a problem in the Democratic party , but instead every loving poli sci and marketing major who suggests internet to win races it's not that the leadership is incompetent its that the actual core backbone of the Democratic party is
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PT6A posted:Maybe my expectations were too high, but I thought that even affluent white people would begin to swing Democrat because the Republicans are literally insane at this point. I mean, the sisterfuckers, snake handlers and freemen-on-the-land might be beyond reaching, but if you can't even convince educated people, and people who aren't in an economically depressed shithole ravaged by heroin, to vote Democrat at this point, things are well hosed. Yeah, hate to break it to you, but if that were the case, Clinton would have won Pennsylvania.
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PT6A posted:Maybe my expectations were too high, but I thought that even affluent white people would begin to swing Democrat because the Republicans are literally insane at this point. I mean, the sisterfuckers, snake handlers and freemen-on-the-land might be beyond reaching, but if you can't even convince educated people, and people who aren't in an economically depressed shithole ravaged by heroin, to vote Democrat at this point, things are well hosed. South Carolina saw a 16% swing to the Democrats.
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Hollismason posted:It's not the leadership that's a problem in the Democratic party , but instead every loving poli sci and marketing major who suggests internet to win races This is my feeling, as well. The real rot in the Democratic party isn't even in the politicians, it's the cabal of financiers and ideas people who are totally insulated from the consequences of their actions and use the same weak strategies over and over again because that's what pays their wages.
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Hollismason posted:It's not the leadership that's a problem in the Democratic party , but instead every loving poli sci and marketing major who suggests internet to win races The leadership is pretty loving incompetent too. The DCCC didn't need to put so much emphasis on Ossoff's race, and so little on Quist's and Thompson's, which were considerably more winnable. But they did, and welp, here we are.
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PT6A posted:Maybe my expectations were too high, but I thought that even affluent white people would begin to swing Democrat because the Republicans are literally insane at this point. I mean, the sisterfuckers, snake handlers and freemen-on-the-land might be beyond reaching, but if you can't even convince educated people, and people who aren't in an economically depressed shithole ravaged by heroin, to vote Democrat at this point, things are well hosed. handel got less votes in this election than the republican candidate did in the 2014 midterm despite huge press coverage for months. the democrat however went from 71k to 122k votes, and almost turned out as many dems as voted in the 2016 general. dont piss yourself just yet, guy
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Majorian posted:But there's no room for candidates running on deficit reduction anymore. That does not win elections. The problem here is that Democrats really need to figure out a way to regain control of the messaging war on several fronts. It's not just that running on deficit reduction doesn't win elections, it's that it doesn't matter. The whole concept is fundamentally at odds with how government spending works and at odds with good governance in general. It's not that this is any more of an issue than anything else, but it's just a good example of Democrats failing because the other side has complete and total control of the narrative.
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boner confessor posted:trump didn't squeak by there? rubio won fulton in the primary and clinton won it in the general. there's no way to tell how the sixth performed independently I remember seeing some estimated aggregate of the 6th earlier in the election, but at any rate, I was trying to refute the guy saying it swung heavy Trump, which is false every way you slice it.
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Democrats need to start thinking of politics less in terms of policies enacted and candidates elected but as the thick network of associations that make sociality itself possible. They've thought of politics as a separate domain of life and not something that makes life possible.
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Paradoxish posted:The problem here is that Democrats really need to figure out a way to regain control of the messaging war on several fronts. It's not just that running on deficit reduction doesn't win elections, it's that it doesn't matter. The whole concept is fundamentally at odds with how government spending works and at odds with good governance in general. It's not that this is any more of an issue than anything else, but it's just a good example of Democrats failing because the other side has complete and total control of the narrative. Yup, well-put. Hopefully Trump's dumb form of populism will nevertheless create more room for, you know. Dems who don't give a poo poo about the deficit.
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Office Pig posted:There was also this: if you think GOP folks aren't looting the coffers for consulting fees and other skullduggery you're kidding yourself I'm not saying they're not more effective at their actual jobs right now, necessarily, although I'd like to see some more indepth analysis there I'm just saying they're pretty good at looting too Edited for double negative 
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Majorian posted:Yeah, hate to break it to you, but if that were the case, Clinton would have won Pennsylvania. PA is Pittsburgh on the left, Philadelphia on the right and Kentucky in the middle- PA going Trump should not have been a surprise.
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Yeah, but have you ever been to a Democratic Party meeting and seen who is actually in charge? Of just like day to day operations and things like that . They're total loving incompetents they're convinced memes and viral marketing are the future. It's not just a Data issue , of course yeah the Republicans had better Data in 2018 that was micro targeting voters, but that's what is effective for them. It's a loving cesspool the entire thing is rotten and the people in charge like others pointed out have zero culpability. Like the people who poo poo the bed in Hillary's campaign are blaming Russia! and not looking at their own incompetence.
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maskenfreiheit posted:PA is Pittsburgh on the left, Philadelphia on the right and Kentucky in the middle- PA going Trump should not have been a surprise. PA had gone consistently Dem since '88, and there are a lot of blue collar steel/manufacturing communities that were stolid Democratic strongholds. There was absolutely no excuse for Clinton losing it.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, but have you ever been to a Democratic Party meeting and seen who is actually in charge? Of just like day to day operations and things like that . They're total loving incompetents they're convinced memes and viral marketing are the future. It's not just a Data issue , of course yeah the Republicans had better Data in 2018 that was micro targeting voters, but that's what is effective for them. It's been like this for a long time, sadly. It's why I stopped involving myself with local Democratic organizations for several years after the 2008 primary.
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Paradoxish posted:The problem here is that Democrats really need to figure out a way to regain control of the messaging war on several fronts. It's not just that running on deficit reduction doesn't win elections, it's that it doesn't matter. The whole concept is fundamentally at odds with how government spending works and at odds with good governance in general. It's not that this is any more of an issue than anything else, but it's just a good example of Democrats failing because the other side has complete and total control of the narrative. "A recent poll suggested we agree with you wholeheartedly. Once we've got the results of the polls that will tell us if we should run more polls, we'll run some polls on what the voters care about right now, then run polls to find out which things they care about the most." ~versus~ "Okay, so all we need to do is affirm our love of the Second Amendment, low taxes, lie to coal miners, and call everyone who isn't *us* socialists who want to put Gawd-fearing white people in concentration camps. Ready...break!"
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i hope all the old people die my mom last
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, but have you ever been to a Democratic Party meeting and seen who is actually in charge? Of just like day to day operations and things like that . They're total loving incompetents they're convinced memes and viral marketing are the future. It's not just a Data issue , of course yeah the Republicans had better Data in 2018 that was micro targeting voters, but that's what is effective for them. That's true and the issue isn't that those incompetent people are in the party, the issue is we don't have anyone else. You can try to hold some County Chair responsible for not running candidates in local races, but gently caress all that does you if you don't have a cadre of leaders to take their place. Republicans have a party filled with incompetence too but they don't rely on their party to define the narrative or drive campaign cycles. They have massive outside groups that do that. We don't.
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Also the polls were hosed with, guys. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/polling-location-changes-for-6th-district-vote/536035137 Feel free to check the locations, they're in heavily black areas.
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Trabisnikof posted:That's true and the issue isn't that those incompetent people are there the issue is we don't have anyone else. Republicans have the advantage of not needing a platform beyond "THOSE PEOPLE ARE loving STEALING FROM YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY THEM."
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Harrow posted:I can't shake the feeling that everyone predicting the House will flip in 2018 has their head in the sand. No one wants what the democrats are selling. And the democrats hate to do any introspection.
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Yeah and the problem is if you really try and get involved with it people just get loving demoralized when they try to go in and change things because at the local level that poo poo is usually sewn up so tight that it's ridiculous. If people actually want to change the Democratic party its going to take up trying to take over the city, county, and state organizations, but the people in charge of those have been in charge for so long that it's just incredibly difficult.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Republicans have the advantage of not needing a platform beyond "THOSE PEOPLE ARE loving STEALING FROM YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY THEM." True. Regressives always can unify around the vague idea of a Leave it to Beaver America. Invoking a vision of America that unified everyone else is a lot harder.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Republicans have the advantage of not needing a platform beyond "THOSE PEOPLE ARE loving STEALING FROM YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY THEM." Perhaps the Dems should adopt the same platform. Only with a different "those people" in mind.
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Majorian posted:-Swung heavily for Trump I'm having difficulty finding a source for presidential results by congressional district, but people in the election thread were saying Trump won it by about +1
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Majorian posted:Perhaps the Dems should adopt the same platform. Only with a different "those people" in mind. Problem - "those people" you're referring to are generally admired by the electorate. We're a country that worships power above all else.
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Ramos posted:Also the polls were hosed with, guys. This is why I don't care when Republicans are shot. How do you "vote them out" when they have control of the entire system and rig it in their favor with poo poo like this? And you can't even blame lack of Dem turnout this time. These goblins will continue suppressing the poo poo out of everyone they can because it's the only way they can stay in power, and it continues to loving work.
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Fulchrum posted:If they do allow it, how does it do anything but make them look like gigantic fuckups? Have you been paying attention this year? Not looking like fuckups has not exactly been a primary motivator for them.
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Office Pig posted:There was also this: You're going to have to show that this is a consistent issue with these specific pollsters/consultants rather than the fact that Coakley was a loving lovely candidate.
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