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because it has the newest gnome 3 in pacman ffs can you read
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pram posted:because it has the newest gnome 3 in pacman ffs can you read that's like moving to sierra leone because they have the newest ebola
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Soricidus posted:that's like moving to sierra leone because they have the newest ebola last week you could've just gone to texas so what I'm saying is, install os x
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Joey Hess and Colin Watson are resigning from Debian-CTTE/Debian as of this week. Ian Jackson strikes again.
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ruby idiot railed posted:Joey Hess and Colin Watson are resigning from Debian-CTTE/Debian as of this week. Ian Jackson strikes again. wait what
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ShadowHawk posted:wait what without waiting for systemd gr 2.0 to finish ian jackson threw up another 'unfunded mandate' type of bullshit in debian-ctte and the ctte voted people are loving pissed
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ruby idiot railed posted:Joey Hess and Colin Watson are resigning from Debian-CTTE/Debian as of this week. Ian Jackson strikes again. Colin Watson posted:I hereby declare my intent to resign from the Debian Technical
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the most pathetic drama
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since there's a tangential link to systemd, i'm gonna blame poettering again. debian and linux in general were doing just fine before he came along with his dumb ideas like "hurf durf what if we tried to make this into an os normal people would want to use"
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linux should have switched to launchd like 8 years ago
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pram posted:linux should have switched to smf like 8 years ago
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I hereby declare my intent to resign from the Debian Technical Committee. oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
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theadder posted:I hereby declare my intent to resign from the Debian Technical Committee. *tens of people care*
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pram posted:*tens of people care* i dunno that id go that far
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pram posted:linux should have switched to launchd like 8 years ago it was so funny learning about this "dbus" thing that Linux evidently uses now because they have neither launchd nor a real IPC system underneath. should have moved to a colocated microkernel a long time ago to handle task/thread scheduling, VM and IPC. Mach is awesome.
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XNU is slowly moving away from Mach towards a more monolithic kernel out of performance and stability reasons.
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Suspicious Dish posted:XNU is slowly moving away from Mach towards a more monolithic kernel out of performance and stability reasons. who's been claiming that? NeXT always used a colocated kernel model for performance, and xnu continues with that today. perhaps someone misinterpreted that as "Mach is going away"
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:more like cloacated kernel lmao
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:more like cloacated kernel this but unironically
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in the 80s bsd was originally grafted to mach so that people hacking on mach components would have a host for tools and compilers and poo poo. it ran unix applications like poo poo, and that was just fine, because it was never intended to work well the OSF and NeXT, inc both saw this as an opportunity to bodge up a unix kernel on the cheap. both proceeded to make the worst unix systems ever seen in the early 90s, cs.utah.edu researchers published their "INKS" work -- "in-kernel servers." it completely totally abnegated the advantages of mach. it made mach the most pointless thing ever written. but it brought mach-unix hybrid performance penalties down from 1000x to merely 100x worse than the competition that's where osx came from xnu is a tumorous growth that should have been excised but it's too late now
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i wish u were excised from existence
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eschaton posted:it was so funny learning about this "dbus" thing that Linux evidently uses now because they have neither launchd nor a real IPC system underneath. linux has sysV IPC and sysV SHM. they just weren't needed for dbus. unix domain sockets are a simple and robust ipc system eschaton posted:should have moved to a colocated microkernel a long time ago to handle task/thread scheduling, VM and IPC. Mach is awesome. mach was an awesome research project that explored some really cool topics. unfortunately it is not a very good basis for a unix kernel mach threading and mach IPC just make it much harder to correctly/performantly implement POSIX threading and SysV IPC
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:abnegated i learned a new word 2day
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Groupon Launches Gnome™ — A Tablet Solution that Helps Merchants Run Their Business and Connect with Customers http://investor.groupon.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=848707 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:linux should have switched to smf like 8 years ago agreed, smf was so good
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:Groupon Launches Gnome™ — A Tablet Solution that Helps Merchants Run Their Business and Connect with Customers lwn The GNOME Foundation, by virtue of having used that name since the 1990's and having trademarked it in 2006, objects strongly to what it sees as a blatant infringement of its trademark. The organization is scrambling to file its opposition to GroupOn's new trademark filings, but that takes work — and money. So there is now a fund-raising effort in the works to help make this opposition happen. "Help us raise the funds to fight back and most of all call public attention to this terrible behavior by Groupon. Help us make sure that when people hear about GNOME software they learn about freedom and not proprietary software. Our counsel has advised us that we will need $80,000 to oppose the registration of the first set of 10 applications. If we are able to defend the mark without spending this amount, we will use the remaining funds to bolster and improve GNOME." i think theyd have good luck if their campaign was simply called 'gently caress groupon', theyd probably get a ton of shat-on businesses to donate
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Cocoa Crispies posted:agreed, smf was so good i have looked at porting smf to linux, but it relies heavily upon solaris 'doors.' the last working implementation of doors for linux was in the 2.4.x era, some dude's graduate thesis i don't see myself cleaning up 10 year old kernel code
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Progressive JPEG posted:lwn i find it amusing that they think anyone will donate to defend their trademark countdown to gnome project changing its name
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i find it amusing that they think anyone will donate to defend their trademark lmfao
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i find it amusing that they think anyone will donate to defend their trademark This but the opposite. https://www.groupon.com/blog/cities/gnome-update
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  Silver Alicorn posted:maybe I'm just curious to see what C&P likes about Arch because I've already used debian/ubuntu/fedora/centos pretty extensively vOv arch is really just a couple little scripts/programs to help you put a basic linux system in place on a machine, and a package manager. arch doesn't gently caress with the software before shipping it out to you. if you install it from the arch repos, it's as if you downloaded the source, extracted/configure/make/make install'd it, but with the benefits of a package manager the aur isn't perfect, but its vastly superior to PPAs and other unofficial repositories. it's difficult to express how good it is. compiling software sucks, but the majority of what's there is mostly supplemental software that only takes a minute to build. everything from old dos shareware games on down to garbage deviantart themes for your desktop are covered in the aur. i don't think there's a distribution out there that can match it in size, quality or freshness. there's no real distro drama to speak of. the wiki is really good. here's a particularly good example. i reference the wiki even when i'm working with other distros. the forums are terrible, though. surprisingly, steam works great on arch. when it was new, there were some games that wouldn't start, but i haven't seen that in months. yes, sometimes poo poo breaks, but it gets posted on the homepage in advance, so just get in the habit of checking the homepage before you run an upgrade and you'll be fine. no changes they've ever forced me to manually commit took more than five minutes to complete. i know everyone's got different levels of commitment to this sort of thing, but i weighed the pros and cons and decided to stick around. the two biggest reasons i stick with arch are 1) how quickly major gnome releases are available and 2) the aur. CUNT AND PASTE fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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sry bsd mach may be a lovely microkernal (not rly, rick rashid is ownage) but l4 can actually speed up unix compared to no ipc
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c&p, why not go all in and use gentoo if you like aur? gentoo could use people like you that were passionate about gnome, the official portage tree is still on 3.12. posting this from gnome 3.12 @ gentoo atm
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523688
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