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u brexit ukip it posted:FYI Dutch PM Mark Rutte might not survive the night due to a complicated series of events following exploratory talks for a new coalition government, following last months' election. But the short of it is 'he hosed up' I will believe it when I see it. He's been loving poo poo up for 10 years now and it hasn't hurt him yet.
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V. Illych L. posted:pls post To the best of my knowledge: Two of the three biggest of the four ruling parties had big wins last elections. The third party lost a bunch of seats, but one of their members who has been digging up poo poo (Pieter Omtzigt) instead of burying it like a good boy got 5 seats worth of votes. We can vote on any member of the party, usually people mostly vote for the candidate at the top of the list but people appreciated this one guy so much that he got 5 seats of votes despite his party shrinking a bit. The two big parties have had representatives in talks to create a coalition. Someone snapped a photo of one holding a stack of documents with one sheet facing outward with the text "Position Omtzigt, function elsewhere" on it. There were a lot of questions about this in the media and the house of representatives. Rutte says he didn't discuss Omtzigt at all. Later it turns out from a file that he's been talking about a minister position for Omtzigt. Rutte chooses the amnesia defense and claims he doesn't recall it. Edit: Also, besides the amnesia defense Rutte has been using "Nope, not going to tell you" a lot. Where "Position Omtzigt, function elsewhere" came from is still unclear because they just refuse to discuss it. Griefor fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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And Dutch politics are still reeling from the child welfare scandal. I'll let Wikipedia say it for me: "The Dutch childcare benefits scandal (Dutch: kinderopvangtoeslagaffaire or toeslagenaffaire, lit. '[childcare] benefits affair') is a political scandal in the Netherlands concerning false allegations of fraud made by the Tax and Customs Administration while attempting to regulate the distribution of childcare benefits.[1][2] Between 2013 and 2019, authorities wrongly accused an estimated 26,000 parents of making fraudulent benefit claims, requiring them to pay back the allowances they had received in their entirety.[1][3] In many cases, this sum amounted to tens of thousands of euros, driving families into severe financial hardship.[1][2] The scandal was brought to public attention in September 2018. Investigators have subsequently described the working procedure of the Tax and Customs Administration as "discriminatory" and filled with "institutional bias".[4][5] On 15 January 2021, two months before the 2021 general election, the third Rutte cabinet resigned over the scandal following a parliamentary inquiry into the matter, which concluded that "fundamental principles of the rule of law" had been violated." There's a call for more transparency overall. You know, the thing Mr PM for 10 years isn't providing right now.
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It's very likely there will be a motion of no confidence brought against Rutte, but whether any of the bigger (current and potential future) coalition parties will support it isn't clear.
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u brexit ukip it posted:It's very likely there will be a motion of no confidence brought against Rutte, but whether any of the bigger (current and potential future) coalition parties will support it isn't clear. Mark Rutte has the same teflon coating that Angela Merkel enjoyed. Rutte's position wasn't hurt by an absolutely atrocious COVID death toll or the economic and social effects of repeated late shutdowns, not performing tests or contact tracing until the Summer of 2020, the literal shutdown of hospital care in parts of the country. No one cared about him leading a racially charged welfare witch hunt against thousands of families. I sincerely doubt that being mean to an old man will change anything about that, even if it is a white respected old man.
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Honest Thief posted:oh and dont buy houses in lisbon unless you planning to spend somewhere between half to a million on a new development, or near half a million for a century old leaky flat with no elevator
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Lord Stimperor posted:Mark Rutte has the same teflon coating that Angela Merkel enjoyed. Rutte's position wasn't hurt by an absolutely atrocious COVID death toll or the economic and social effects of repeated late shutdowns, not performing tests or contact tracing until the Summer of 2020, the literal shutdown of hospital care in parts of the country. No one cared about him leading a racially charged welfare witch hunt against thousands of families. I sincerely doubt that being mean to an old man will change anything about that, even if it is a white respected old man. Yeah, Rutte's party won the last election AFTER the child welfare scandal. I don't think there's a lot of people who were still willing to vote for him after that but for whom this is somehow the final straw. The problem with the lacking Covid response is that the country is split between "We did just enough" and "We did too much" rather than the correct "We did too little", but for this scandal everyone agreed it was poo poo, the cabinet resigned over it, and they won the elections a few months later like nothing had happened. Part of this is that somehow after the last 12 months a lot of people are convinced that Rutte is exactly what we need during this pandemic which is maddening.
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I wonder if the SPD has a shot in hell of grabbing the Chancellorship this year.
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Apr 19, 2021 15:14
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Grouchio posted:I wonder if the SPD has a shot in hell of grabbing the Chancellorship this year. No.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Could've sworn the bad covid response this cycle's been tanking the CDU.
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I'm still happy Bij1 got a seat and FvD was pissing their pants about actual leftists so badly they had to send one of their dumb rear end goons to go and try and intimidate them.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:08
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until the Union hurries the gently caress up and confirms Söder as Kanzlerkandidat, they don't have a hope in hell of winning in September
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Apr 19, 2021 16:10
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Grouchio posted:I wonder if the SPD has a shot in hell of grabbing the Chancellorship this century. No.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:11
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Grouchio posted:Could've sworn the bad covid response this cycle's been tanking the CDU. maybe a little but those voters will either go to the AfD (any lockdown is too much lockdown, kill the infectious foreigners, etc), fdp (I own a business and want to make it legal to work my employees to death, if the virus gets them first that's ok too) or the greens (I don't want to die from boomer policy, appeasing nazis bad). the spd is just the dumber of the two status quo parties at this point suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 16:12
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Grouchio posted:Could've sworn the bad covid response this cycle's been tanking the CDU. yes, to the benefit of the Greens
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Venomous posted:until the Union hurries the gently caress up and confirms Söder as Kanzlerkandidat, they don't have a hope in hell of winning in September Darth Söder will get out the wants generic strongman regardless of actual policy vote. I guess that's at least 10-15% on top of the like 25% who vote CDU because they've always voted CDU.
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If the CDU/CSU manages to gently caress up their own party enough it could be her: And honestly, yeah, why not. I'd like someone more left wing, but the greens are at least offering some kind of positive vision for the future. Also, once ACAB is Chancellor we can finally put SUV drivers against the wall if they don't convert to bicycle.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:37
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greens are a narrow interest span of petit-bougie libs and will be elected in a big wave across europe at some point in the next decade or so, accomplishing almost nothing because they have no coherent theory of power or of change
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German greens want to up-end schwarze null and start an unprecedented age of fiscal spending and investment so I feel like we should give them a little credit. Well, until they inevitably compromise on all that in negotiations but w/e.
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The Greens are part of 11 out of 16 state governments right now, though they only lead one. (And that one doesn't count). I don't think their scope is all that narrow. From "wouldn't it be nice if cities were actually nice to live in" to "wouldn't it be great if we stopped sabotaging and killing our own renewables industry and in fact did the opposite" and "wouldn't it be good if we zoned multi-storey apartments instead of single detached houses in cities", they have a pretty wide range. But most importantly, they can credibly claim they want to actually _do_ something, which is a lot more the current coalition can offer. Also, I just checked and they list trans rights under human rights and want to do some sweeping reforms, which is criminally overdue. The situation in Germany is an embarassment. Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Wouldn't the SPD allowing the Green lady to be chancellor basically be signing its own death warrant? I mean, not that the SPD is not nearly dead already, but that seems like officially giving up any pretense to being anything more than a lobbying organization for the most conservative trade union groups. What is the point of voting SPD if you're going to get a Green chancellor and possibly as many ministers from other parties as from the SPD?
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icantfindaname posted:Wouldn't the SPD allowing the Green lady to be chancellor basically be signing its own death warrant? I mean, not that the SPD is not nearly dead already, but that seems like officially giving up any pretense to being anything more than a lobbying organization for the most conservative trade union groups. What is the point of voting SPD if you're going to get a Green chancellor and possibly as many ministers from other parties as from the SPD? They already propped up the CDU several times, for the current term explicitly against everyone with a brain saying "don't prop up the CDU again why would anyone vote SPD if it's effectively just a vote for CDU with extra steps"
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icantfindaname posted:What is the point of voting SPD
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I don't think the Greens are going to need permission from a Kleinpartei 
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V. Illych L. posted:greens are a narrow interest span of petit-bougie libs and will be elected in a big wave across europe at some point in the next decade or so, accomplishing almost nothing because they have no coherent theory of power or of change that was maybe true before German unification, but even then the German Greens were a pretty mixed bunch, as the were mostly formed on the realization that tiny narrow interest groups had zero chance at the polls and then after unification, tons of Ex-DDR narrow interest groups joined them, too The German Green party of today is basically the exact opposite of a narrow interest group. Of course, if all you ever read is CDU/CSU-propaganda, you'd never know that.
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Libluini posted:that was maybe true before German unification, but even then the German Greens were a pretty mixed bunch, as the were mostly formed on the realization that tiny narrow interest groups had zero chance at the polls Or was that the CDU?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They’re a single-issue party, their only policy shutting down nuclear in favor of coal. That it indeed the CDU.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:54
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Who have been the best and worst Chancellors of West/all Germany post-war?
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Apr 20, 2021 13:20
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Gerhard Schröder was (and continues to be) impressively poo poo IMO, despite having been an SPD chancellor. Then again I'm not German so YMMV.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:30
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Grouchio posted:Who have been the best and worst Chancellors of West/all Germany post-war?
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Private Speech posted:Gerhard Schröder was (and continues to be) impressively poo poo IMO, despite having been an SPD chancellor. can confirm, he was poo poo
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Schröder was bad, but unlike Kiesinger he was not a Nazi. I would've gone with Kohl otherwise since he was a corrupt piece of poo poo, but at least Kohl was not literally an NSDAP member. And had other redeemable qualities around unification (both of Germany and of European nations). Best would be Brandt, perhaps? I'm not used to thinking of any chancellor as "good".
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https://twitter.com/Wahlen_DE/status/1384546624811278336
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The CDU blocked Darth Söder and went with  chaos reigns
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Apr 20, 2021 18:09
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AfD are the fascists right? So who're FDP and Sonstige? I get they're small but they gained which isn't nothing.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:AfD are the fascists right? So who're FDP and Sonstige? I get they're small but they gained which isn't nothing. AfD are fascists and Covid deniers. Sonstige is the wastebasket for other minor parties (there are loads, the party Die PARTEI is one of the more notable ones). FDP are the pro business party.
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suck my woke dick posted:AfD are fascists and Covid deniers. Cool thanks. It took me most of my life to understand the details of the US two-party system, which is more complicated than just that would lead you to believe and yet very very dumb, so it's been tough moving to France and trying to understand their politics let alone European or other countries. It's a whole lot to absorb.
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suck my woke dick posted:The CDU blocked Darth Söder and went with 
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suck my woke dick posted:The CDU blocked Darth Söder and went with
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Heck you might actually get a Green chancellor this way, the CDU could probably afford it more than the SPD, and is willing to let the Greens take the blame for whatever happens next while they sort their own poo poo out Reminiscent of Japan in the 90s, where the hegemonic center-conservatives let the socialist be prime minister for a bit while they rebuilt themselves, which caused the socialists to implode and the conservatives to come back to power for another 15 years icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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