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Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!
Was it Bradbury or Heinlein who went on the cousin-loving kick late in their career. Cause that was a hell of a thing

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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Thaddius the Large posted:

Was it Bradbury or Heinlein who went on the cousin-loving kick late in their career. Cause that was a hell of a thing

Heinlein is the dirty old man, and only his early work is any good anyway. Like all gimmick based sci-fi, there are no deep truths to be found in Heinlein stories, but they can be fun.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Schwarzwald posted:

He said Fahrenheit 451 was about how television culture harmed literacy. That's hardly maniacal.

Unless there was more to that than I heard.

there was a bunch of stuff involving him turning hardcore conservative and supporting the homeland security stuff. he basically said 451 was in no way about over reaching governments or survallance states, which ya know, isnt true

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Young Ray Bradbury:

quote:

I wrote this book at a time when I was worried about the way things were going in this country four years ago. Too many people were afraid of their shadows; there was a threat of book burning. Many of the books were being taken off the shelves at that time.

Old Ray Bradbury:

quote:

Bradbury, a man living in the creative and industrial center of reality TV and one-hour dramas, says it is, in fact, a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



TheAceOfLungs posted:

Where's my Rich? Is that my Rich? It goes "The next part will be text only". It's a Balder! That is not my Rich!

Where's my Rich? Is that my Rich? It goes "Murder the Gods and topple their thrones". It's an Abbadon! That is not my Rich!

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

PMush Perfect posted:

Young Ray Bradbury:


Old Ray Bradbury:

These aren't contradictory

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I mean if nothing else I can buy an old writer looking back on his old stuff and thinking, huh, this is actually way different from what I thought I was writing about at the time.

e: look at Rich. Thought he was cracking some harmless RPG jokes, actually reinforced sexist stereotypes of the fantasy genre, only recognized it years later, has been making up for it ever since.

My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Oct 10, 2017

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Bradbury also had a complete flip-out at the thought that somebody might be reading one of his books on an e-reader.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

PMush Perfect posted:

Young Ray Bradbury:


Old Ray Bradbury:

Television features incredibly prominently in the book, and the manner in which people's interest in television (and idle consumption in general) is correlated with reduced attention and literacy is a significant theme.

The book is absolutely about government censorship, but it is also about television.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
A rich a Rich, my kingdom for a rich!

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Schwarzwald posted:

Television features incredibly prominently in the book, and the manner in which people's interest in television (and idle consumption in general) is correlated with reduced attention and literacy is a significant theme.

The book is absolutely about government censorship, but it is also about television.

No, I'm sorry, books can only have one theme, which is why 1984 is about socialism.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



ikanreed posted:

No, I'm sorry, books can only have one theme, which is why 1984 is about socialism.

It was actually about ethics in game journalism.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

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Rand Brittain posted:

Bradbury also had a complete flip-out at the thought that somebody might be reading one of his books on an e-reader.
Source?

Edit: Also, Bradbury didn't say it was about both. He stormed out of a lecture because the students he was giving it to said it was about censorship. And I mean, yeah, having students tell you what your book is about must be frustrating as hell, but if he felt that it wasn't just about censorship, don't you think he would have said so?

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Schwarzwald posted:

Television features incredibly prominently in the book, and the manner in which people's interest in television (and idle consumption in general) is correlated with reduced attention and literacy is a significant theme.

The book is absolutely about government censorship, but it is also about television.

he denied it was about censorship in order to avoid dissonance with his support of Bush's post-911 stuff, that was the contradiction i was talking about, not all this crap about television destroying literature, obvs that was fine

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
http://www.laweekly.com/news/ray-bradbury-fahrenheit-451-misinterpreted-2149125 here is the interview i'm talking about, i should have linked it first to show what i was talking about i guess

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Yeah, young Bradbury would not have been a Republican.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

AriadneThread posted:

honestly, i'm terrified a still-alive douglas adams would turn out to reveal him as terrible given his heavy leaning into the burgeoning new-atheists and where that whole mess has gone since then
Could go either way, as the other possibility is that he might have been able to steer them somewhere more productive and less harmful, or at least with a better sense of humour. He was definitely a strongly committed atheist and big buddies with Dawkins, but he always seemed to try to keep the humanity in humanism.

For me, "Is there an artificial god?" (printed in The Salmon of Doubt) is a nice lecture/essay on how to reconcile being an atheist with understanding why people believe in religions and how religious traditions can still be an effective way to organise things. Its ultimate point being "just because science shows us things are bottom-up rather than top-down, doesn't mean you can't think there's something at the top".

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 14, 2017

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
:siren: #1102 - For the Duration

Ha ha, this is going to be an interesting bit of trouble.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

:siren: #1102 - For the Duration

Ha ha, this is going to be an interesting bit of trouble.

So V didn't get level drained? If V was level drained I figure that would've been more of an oh poo poo.

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy
Can V not dismiss that at will? I thought that was a thing with force cage.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

Raenir Salazar posted:

So V didn't get level drained? If V was level drained I figure that would've been more of an oh poo poo.

He might have cast both his Mind Blank spells already, and so have nothing left in the higher spell slot to have lost.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Taciturn Tactician posted:

Can V not dismiss that at will? I thought that was a thing with force cage.

Yes. The (D) in the Duration field means it can be dismissed at will by the caster.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Taciturn Tactician posted:

Can V not dismiss that at will? I thought that was a thing with force cage.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/forcecage.htm

SRD posted:

Duration: 2 hours/level (D)

Not sure what D means. Does it stand for dismissable?

Dog Kisser
Mar 30, 2005

But People have fears that beasts do not. Questions, too.

Silver2195 posted:

SRD posted:
Duration: 2 hours/level (D)

Varsuuvius posted:

"...it will last thirty-four hours"

V is level 17!

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Or 16 now, depending on the exact timing of the spell and the vampire attack.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Dog Kisser posted:

V is level 17!

16, actually. Remember that V has an IOUN stone.

DoctorTristan
Mar 11, 2006

I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

Silver2195 posted:

16, actually. Remember that V has an IOUN stone.

Ah yes, good catch.

(I was about to type a longish paragraph about how it was weird that he must have lost a prepared level 9 spell but didn’t think it worth mentioning to Roy)

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!

Taciturn Tactician posted:

Can V not dismiss that at will? I thought that was a thing with force cage.

Unless it's funnier if they can't.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS
Or V just didn't dismiss it because Roy immediately issued a perfectly valid order that they would wait until it expired, then only afterwards made an enquiry regarding how far in the future that would be, which V felt obliged to answer first. Next page is probably going to start with V offering to dismiss the cage, unless one of them comes up with a better alternative that gets them out of there while leaving the cage in place in the meantime.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Negative levels aren't actually... negative levels in 3.5

They just give some modest penalties and can result in lost levels if you fail an easy fort save 24 hours later if you haven't gotten them removed by then. I think the naming convention is a holdover from 2e where you could actually lose levels at the drop of a hat.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Depending on whether that's a Spawn or a true Vampire, that was either one or two of V's highest level spells that just got flushed. By comparison, the hit points and sundry penalties are insignificant.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Colonel Cool posted:

Negative levels aren't actually... negative levels in 3.5

They just give some modest penalties and can result in lost levels if you fail an easy fort save 24 hours later if you haven't gotten them removed by then. I think the naming convention is a holdover from 2e where you could actually lose levels at the drop of a hat.

I remember Pool of Radiance just drowning you in Restoration scrolls right around the time it sends you into the graveyard.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


The bigger loss is the cast of forcecage: It's a great spell to isolate tricky enemies in their own personal time-out box.

TheAceOfLungs
Aug 4, 2010

Silver2195 posted:

16, actually. Remember that V has an IOUN stone.

I thought Blackwing had that.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

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TheAceOfLungs posted:

I thought Blackwing had that.
IIRC, being V's familiar means he can share its effects.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

nothing to seehere posted:

The bigger loss is the cast of forcecage: It's a great spell to isolate tricky enemies in their own personal time-out box.

One trick was to make Forcecages with small holes to shoot out of. Make it into your own spell bunker. Which would be extremely handy here.

But I doubt that is what happened.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS
A forcecage with holes in it sounds like the perfect PC trap for a bunch of vampires that can turn gasous

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

^ :argh:

The Question IRL posted:

One trick was to make Forcecages with small holes to shoot out of. Make it into your own spell bunker. Which would be extremely handy here.

But I doubt that is what happened.

Well, in this case, that would have been a blunder, as vampires can just turn into mist and flood into the cage through the murderholes.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
^ :argh:
^^ :argh::argh:

The Question IRL posted:

One trick was to make Forcecages with small holes to shoot out of. Make it into your own spell bunker. Which would be extremely handy here.

But I doubt that is what happened.

Vampires can gaseous form in to that though.

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Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

the grognard parade continues to waddle down the thread

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