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pangstrom posted:The most surprising moment of the debate, for me, was when Jeb flubbed the brother/Iraq question AGAIN. That was the perfect "seems hard but you must be prepared to hit this out of the park" question and he just sort of dribbled the ball back to the pitcher. I switched away when he started talking about the Iraq War and his brutha. SO embarassing that he will just never get that question right if he wants the help of his brother's corrupt plutocratic friends like Krauthammer.
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pangstrom posted:The most surprising moment of the debate, for me, was when Jeb flubbed the brother/Iraq question AGAIN. That was the perfect "seems hard but you must be prepared to hit this out of the park" question and he just sort of dribbled the ball back to the pitcher. Jeb Bush is loving terrible at running for office, and the GOP establishment were idiots for thinking otherwise.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Rocco's Modern Life: eerily prescient even 20 years later Reince Priebus is Ralph Bighead in this analogy--everything he does to the show only makes it more popular.
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The initial first debate where Fox was besides itself in propagandic fury to promote Fiorina was the mayonaise for 2 hours episode of Wacky Deli.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm sorry to pick on somebody from pages ago but LOL, of loving course they were. They were trying to kneecap everyone but Bush out there. Did you not notice Fox news all of a sudden growing spines and asking Republican candidates difficult questions? Ones specifically tailored to gently caress up said candidates? I had never expected such a hostile tone from Fox News. I think Trump had expected a walk in the park, considering that he's friendly with that crowd. Trumps ascendancy makes me think that not only have the republicans not have any control over their political system (at least, at this point), but the Fox News wing might not even be able to control itself. Megyn seemed pretty pissed when people cheered that Rosie O'Donnel remark. All of the candidates got some pretty hard ball questions (except for Jeb, who still managed to say nothing exciting at all) but Trump got the brunt of the offensive and he only really stumbled once or twice. Oh, and speaking of softball questions, let's not leave out that Carly Fiorina 'won' the first debate by essentially never being asked about her embarrassing tenure at HP. How dumb do you have to be to think that if you just don't mention it now, it won't come up in the general? The Koch bots and Trump were pretty deft at not giving any real answers to things, while Kasich and Christie managed to sound like the adults in the room. Props to Kasich for not taking the Trump attack bait. He's a shithead, but at least he's a smart shithead. He also managed to spin Obamacare as a good by describing it's effects and also not calling it Obamacare once in his response. Smart. I'm curious to see how the polls will shake out after this. It's also interesting from the RNC side of things. No doubt they were trying their hardest to knock Trump out, but it hasn't quite taken hold as well as they'd wanted it to. I'm not sure there are any bigger guns to pull out than his bankruptcy. Trump will take a hit after this debate, but he's gonna start building momentum again in the interim.
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TheScott2K posted:They need to let Carly Fiorina into the next debate. She's the GOP's best chance to get the head count down. 
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Aug 7, 2015 15:18
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Megyn Kelly has a proven track record of acting like a human being when a GOP hate golem starts flipping her particular table. But yeah it was particularly hilarious to watch Fox go all in for Fiorina and then minutes later try and cut trump off at the knees by mentioning his casino bankruptcies. There was so much fuckery going on in this thing, if it was ever expected to be anything other than a partisan kabuki shooting gallery or if it involved a non-joke political party, people would be outraged.
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I love Trump's use of exclamation marks in his tweets. Makes him feel like a real person saying things.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Megyn Kelly has a proven track record of acting like a human being when a GOP hate golem starts flipping her particular table. Would you say it delivered? I was hoping for a stronger Trump showing, but I figured Jeb and Walker would look weak. I hadn't imagined that Kasich would step up though, or Christie, for that matter.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Megyn Kelly has a proven track record of acting like a human being when a GOP hate golem starts flipping her particular table. Rest assured Republicans, who think Fox should have been objective, are outraged and Trumps numbers will surge while they pretend like Carson-mentum or some other bullshit to prevent Trump from looking good is the result of the debate. Trump is gonna run independent.
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Aug 7, 2015 15:23
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The only reason we're seeing Kasich as having done well is that he's slightly less crazy than the rest of the field, showed a modicum of compassion on the gay rights issue and had the home field advantage in the debate with the crowd eating out of his hand.
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Luntz has declared that Trump's debate performance will destroy him as a candidate on CBS this morning.  I eagerly await another poll bump and the fox news machine desperately struggling to figure out what to do.
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Aug 7, 2015 15:32
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Aug 7, 2015 15:34
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euphronius posted:Independent Trump means HRC guaranteed victory ? HRC would have to win the primaries, so no. 
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Grouchio posted:He isn't wrong. He almost never is.
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Aug 7, 2015 15:37
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Silly Burrito posted:Is Megyn Kelly under 40? He could always tap his daughter.
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euphronius posted:Independent Trump means HRC guaranteed victory ? I don't know what HRC is in this context - Human Rights Campaign? Anyway, it guarantees a Sanders victory.
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i thought rubio projected the most 'presidential' mask during the debate
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Kylra posted:Hillary Rodham Clinton Why on earth would Trump running independent guarantee her victory? If we get a four-way race with Trump and Clinton running as independents then Bernie will have the most solid base for a plurality.
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euphronius posted:Independent Trump means HRC guaranteed victory ? No. Never doubt party loyalty.
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MrBims posted:I don't know what HRC is in this context - Human Rights Campaign? Anyway, it guarantees a Sanders victory. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Maybe if the context was some of her work for the Clinton Foundation or as Secretary of State it might be a tossup but the context is very obviously electoral speculation and the human rights campaign cannot yet (Roberts is a relatively young and physically healthy man) run for president as it is an incorporated entity.
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Agrajag posted:Does this even loving matter? Of course it does. The thickness of the layer of make-up is not only proportional to her insecurities about her age, which she clearly cares more about than her integrity, but it is the also the perfect metaphor; Her career, everything she says or is, down to her looks is a lie. I could vote for a person who wears less make-up and cares more about real issues than how he looks. Someone like this guy!   :bernget:
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The debate got a 16.0 rating. Biggest audience for a 2011/12 GOP debate was 5.3.
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Joementum posted:The debate got a 16.0 rating. Biggest audience for a 2011/12 GOP debate was 5.3.
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Aug 7, 2015 16:07
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Sounds like Fox should be thanking The Donald, any minute now im sure.
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Trump earned a WCW Nitro era rating.
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TheScott2K posted:They need to let Carly Fiorina into the next debate. She's the GOP's best chance to get the head count down. 
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The funniest outcome of this whole farce would be this: 1) Sanders upsets Clinton in the primaries 2) Trump runs independent against Bush/Walker/Rubio as GOP nominee 3) President Sanders, self-declared socialist, every Republican in Congress dies of massive anger stroke
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Joementum posted:The debate got a 16.0 rating. Biggest audience for a 2011/12 GOP debate was 5.3. Alright Fox, Glorious Free Market has spoken, time to get on the Trump Bus.
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the best outcome is trump winning iowa, and the republican establishment collectively deciding it's time the adults were in charge
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Pinterest Mom posted:the best outcome is trump winning iowa, and the republican establishment collectively deciding it's time the adults were in charge If this happens the convention would become primo watch material. It will not happen.
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If Trump makes it to the primaries only for the party to suddenly oust him, I think he really would run third party.
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An experiment by the Scott Walker campaign. Hypothesis: dramatic music can make Scott Walker interesting. Methodology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d0DWKRi5I Conclusions: nope.
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Slate Action posted:If Trump makes it to the primaries only for the party to suddenly oust him, I think he really would run third party. I hope Fox continues to be rude and aggressive with him. I'm glad he straight up at the beginning of the debate refused to rule out an independent run.
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TheScott2K posted:They need to let Carly Fiorina into the next debate. She's the GOP's best chance to get the head count down. 
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Josh Lyman posted:I don't get this Much like Mitt Romney, she likes firing people.
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Slate Action posted:If Trump makes it to the primaries only for the party to suddenly oust him, I think he really would run third party. You heard him. He won't respect any nominee who isn't him.
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