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double nine posted:https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1384742734863511552 Once again America out flanks europe on stimulus spending. Hey at least the germans will be able to extend their airport monopoly outside of greece and into spain
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suck my woke dick posted:***not that the eu economy will ever actually run out of euros by spending them all No but the Spanish economy might.
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Owling Howl posted:No but the Spanish economy might. Yeah if the ECB arbitrarely decides to be CDU:s bitch again anything is possible. This is your annual reminder that the euro-crisis didn't need to be as bad as it was, but was intentionally hosed up by the northern states to no ones gain. Unironically one of the small blessings of Macron being such a driving force in the EU at the moment is that back when he was still a french government nobody he was on the side of the debtor member states in negotiations. That brings a tiny sliver of hope that Merkels successor won't be able to just bulldoze across the EU. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah if the ECB arbitrarely decides to be CDU:s bitch again anything is possible. This is your annual reminder that the euro-crisis didn't need to be as bad as it was, but was intentionally hosed up by the northern states to no ones gain. Until he loses his next election...
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They’re a single-issue party, their only policy shutting down nuclear in favor of coal. No they aren't which you would know if you actually read up their party program. I really wish people who actively spread misinformation would get probed.
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Orange Devil posted:Maybe they should try having an airport at Berlin first. While I appreciate that joke, it arrived way to late. Much like that airport.
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Libluini posted:No they aren't which you would know if you actually read up their party program. I really wish people who actively spread misinformation would get probed.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Until he loses his next election... Is there room for an even more out of touch idiot between Macron and Le Pen or are we skipping straight to the Nazi rule part?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:Is there room for an even more out of touch idiot between Macron and Le Pen or are we skipping straight to the Nazi rule part? I fear it's the latter. But I'm rather pessimistic.
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Since living in America I have quickly learned that European banks are horrid in comparison with customer service, Santander was quite the trainwreck experience and quickest account closing, I honestly don't know how European banks manage to con every eu government in Europe "please fund us" and keep charging obscene fees.
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Celexi posted:Since living in America I have quickly learned that European banks are horrid in comparison with customer service, Santander was quite the trainwreck experience and quickest account closing, I honestly don't know how European banks manage to con every eu government in Europe "please fund us" and keep charging obscene fees. The dual answer is money and kickbacks.
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Celexi posted:Since living in America I have quickly learned that European banks are horrid in comparison with customer service, Santander was quite the trainwreck experience and quickest account closing, I honestly don't know how European banks manage to con every eu government in Europe "please fund us" and keep charging obscene fees. Maybe just your specific bank sucked? I've had good experience with Raiffeisen and I've seen a few others get even better results in surveys
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Celexi posted:Since living in America I have quickly learned that European banks are horrid in comparison with customer service, Santander was quite the trainwreck experience and quickest account closing, I honestly don't know how European banks manage to con every eu government in Europe "please fund us" and keep charging obscene fees. mobby_6kl posted:Maybe just your specific bank sucked? I've had good experience with Raiffeisen and I've seen a few others get even better results in surveys Banking experience must vary wildly in Europe. I have experience with banking in two countries. In one of them, the bank charged a monthly fee, and initially also charged small amounts for international transactions. Online banking was clumsy, and you couldn't pay online with your bank card. In the other, transactions everywhere across the globe are free. The monthly admin fee is neglible. Transactions are smoothly possible both from the web and mobile interface. Nevermind that I can use my bank pass or app to pay online, usually by scanning a QR code on a web site and then authorizing the payment on my phone or bank pass reader. Transactions are also very quick, arriving with an in-house recipient instantly, a national recipient within 30 minutes, and within SEPA within 24 hours. Although the 24 hours is now a guaranteed speed within all SEPA-countries, I think. By contrast, as late as 2018, US users were explaining to me how cheap and fast Bitcoin of all things was compared to online bank transactions. Bitcoin, which at that point took hours- to even days and could take tens of $ for a transaction to finally clear. I don't quite know how lovely banks must be to be beat by bitcoin as a payment sytem.
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah if the ECB arbitrarely decides to be CDU:s bitch again anything is possible. This is your annual reminder that the euro-crisis didn't need to be as bad as it was, but was intentionally hosed up by the northern states to no ones gain. On that note, the news just leaked that the Finnish Parliament will need to accept the stimulus package by a 2/3rds majority according to the Finnish constitution. This means that if enough opposition MPs vote against it, the whole stimulus package will have to be re-negotiated on an EU level. Thirty or so MPs get to decide if the stock market will have a Very Bad Day in the near future. Fun!
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In case anyone's worried, one of the Finnish main opposition parties is part of the EPP and have enough MPs to carry the vote for the stimulus 
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Rappaport posted:In case anyone's worried, one of the Finnish main opposition parties is part of the EPP and have enough MPs to carry the vote for the stimulus Who decided to abstain from voting this afternoon so no YES votes from them. "The largely pro-European National Coalition Party has criticised the EU stimulus fund and now holds the deciding votes on whether or not it passes parliament. On Tuesday evening the party's parliamentary group leadership announced it would abstain on the package." All this because the current Center-Left Coalition tried to end burning of peat as energy resource making the Center Party lose their mind. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/eu_stimulus_faces_new_obstacle_in_finland_with_super_majority_required/11903653
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Abstaining doesn't count as a yes or no vote though, so as long as the gets its votes in and there aren't a lot of rogue voters, it goes through. Never say never with Finnish politics though, where magical things sometimes happen.
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Feldegast42 posted:Regarding the GOP I think the next big thing to supercharge the right in this country is actually what's happening in France. If you haven been paying attention they are very quickly going full sieg heil fash, with LePen pretty far ahead in the polls and 60% of the country (according to one poll) in favor of a possible military coup being undertaken to purge Islam from the country. And the core of this movement aren't the olds or the well off either, but instead the younger generations / millennials.
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I checked the polls, and what the hell is going on with the French political landscape? 4 communist parties? Some number between 8 and 12 centrist and right-wing parties/candidates? What? Edit: also it seems that the PS is out for good, following the way of the PASOK and soon of the German SPD.
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AndreTheGiantBoned posted:I checked the polls, and what the hell is going on with the French political landscape? 4 communist parties? Some number between 8 and 12 centrist and right-wing parties/candidates? What? The RN is polling as well as Macron at the moment. If another covid resurgence occurs in France we will probably see the far right take hold of the country. Which will fire up the moderate socialists. Who knows what will happen though as we gave 9 months till the election.
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second round polls have macron at a comfortable advantage to le pen, but heaven knows i would abstain in the second round this time around were i frenchAndreTheGiantBoned posted:I checked the polls, and what the hell is going on with the French political landscape? 4 communist parties? Some number between 8 and 12 centrist and right-wing parties/candidates? What? france has a million parties because it's got lenient electoral registration laws and fairly many low-tier elected positions. to get onto the first-round presidential ballot you need to get a certain amount of signatures from elected officials, and cultivating such networks is how weirdos like cheminade make it into the presidentials. in addition, locally popular parties like the PCF can rely on getting into the first round, but they've been slowly choking to death as melenchon has been taking a lot of space on the left, and LFI has been taking some controversial stances over the past couple of years which rather blunts its political appeal if you're a small-ish party there's very little downside to running in the presidentials, as you get to present your case to the people under the french broadcasting fairness laws, which really are pretty good and tend to favour parties with mobilised and enthused corps of activists. atm france is in the middle of a massive realignment with macron running as a classical authoritarian Liberal with his support base in the metropole, big business and the educated classes and le pen representing the "losers" of the european system and the people on the brunt of france's colonial backlash, i.e. older people, rural people and law-and-order types. le pen's party is extremely racist domestically, but might well do more to further the dissolution of the remnant french empire abroad which macron has made a major priority (macron is also happy to throw bones to racists). there's a growing mania about race war and poorly handed migration (the latter is not entirely unfounded - france has done very badly in its efforts at social integration and it really does have a bunch of bad side effects) following a series of murders and a pattern of pretty extreme police violence both at minorities but also at various protest groups such as the gilets jaunes. the RN has an answer to this in "it's our country, they can gently caress off" where the macron camp's position seems to be "well we can always call on the gendarmes to brutalise some people if need be, no real people are getting hurt by this anyway", which doesn't really satisfy anyone except the die-hards and the haute bourgeoisie it's going to get worse before it gets better, i'm afraid
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V. Illych L. posted:second round polls have macron at a comfortable advantage to le pen, but heaven knows i would abstain in the second round this time around were i french
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one thing to note is that the left in france is actually fairly strong, both in terms of popular appeal (in sum), activist mobilisation and intellectual heft. it's hopelessly divided, though, and has been since mitterand capitulated to the neoliberal revolution; a similar fate seems to have befallen the gaullists, who are undergoing a demise which isn't much less dramatic than that of the PS it's difficult to see any path forward while so much oxygen is swept up by LFI which seems to me to be overly preoccupied with a sort of weird avant-garde identitarianism. i have a slightly shameful dream that philippe martinez could run on some kind of left front ticket, but he seems uninterested in that and, more practically, his break with the PCF has left him without a party (yes i know he's unpopular among 60% of the population but so is macron lol) V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 12:45 on May 3, 2021 |
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What are some of LFI's controversial stances? And what is Melenchon's reasoning for taking those stances?
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Orange Devil posted:What are some of LFI's controversial stances? The only thing that ever penetrated my American awareness was Melenchon arguing that France had no complicity in the crimes of Vichy France and German collaborators, but that's admittedly kind of a murky issue that's probably got a lot of domestic implications I'm not in a position to understand. Also tied to Israeli relations, which is its own can of worms. https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/melenchon-slams-macron-for-accepting-french-complicity-in-holocaust-1.5431187 I'd also be interested in learning more about Melenchon and the French left as a whole.
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Grammarchist posted:The only thing that ever penetrated my American awareness was Melenchon arguing that France had no complicity in the crimes of Vichy France and German collaborators, but that's admittedly kind of a murky issue that's probably got a lot of domestic implications I'm not in a position to understand. Also tied to Israeli relations, which is its own can of worms. ... what the gently caress?
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caveats: i'm not french and i don't live in france so it's very possible that i'm overreaching or miscontextualising stuff here. kurtofan can probably offer better explanations on this than me the vichy france thing isn't totally unreasonable - the french republic, the legitimate government of france, was strenuously opposed to the vichy regime and it was never seen as legitimate by large swathes of the french population. it's emblematic of the sort of stand melenchon's been taking in the LFI era, though - as far as i've been able to tell, the party runs on a weird combination of republican patriotism with strongly pro-minority positions on culture war stuff (which is not bad, but remember that the culture war stuff keeps spilling over into actual violence). this combination means that people have trouble placing it; the republican patriotism means that it's got trouble reckoning with colonialism and colonial backlash in an honest way, and the culture war stuff means that it has trouble accepting that something is up with france's relation to its (especially religious) minorities. this leaves it in a very awkward spot, which it tries to navigate via transparent populism. its position re: the EU is also not especially clarified and the EU is what really killed hollande by placing tremendous restrictions on his ability to actually do stuff. this again makes the party much narrower than one could hope, and opens it to bizarre charges of "islamo-gauchisme" to which it has no serious response other than to insist on its republican patriotism which it doesn't really seem as though people trust in the first place
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V. Illych L. posted:and the culture war stuff means that it has trouble accepting that something is up with france's relation to its (especially religious) minorities. Lawman 0 posted:... what the gently caress? *but only gaulist or communist, don't remember some of them were also insane far right murderers. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 10:33 on May 4, 2021 |
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The European obsession with litigating everything relating to the nazis is comical. Not being a nazi is a very, very low bar to pass. Ok you didn't run industrial scale death camps. Big props. Well done. You were merely a racist white supremacist colonial empire. Still evil, still not a force for good but good job. It's like Josef Fritzl being outraged by Ted Bundy and writing his memoirs from that perspective.
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Owling Howl posted:The European obsession with litigating everything relating to the nazis is comical. Not being a nazi is a very, very low bar to pass. Ok you didn't run industrial scale death camps. Big props. Well done. You were merely a racist white supremacist colonial empire. Still evil, still not a force for good but good job. It's like Josef Fritzl being outraged by Ted Bundy and writing his memoirs from that perspective. Yeah, it isn't as if the United States of America weren't a racist white supremacist colonial empire, either.
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Owling Howl posted:The European obsession with litigating everything relating to the nazis is comical. Not being a nazi is a very, very low bar to pass. Ok you didn't run industrial scale death camps. Big props. Well done. You were merely a racist white supremacist colonial empire. Still evil, still not a force for good but good job. It's like Josef Fritzl being outraged by Ted Bundy and writing his memoirs from that perspective. when the charge is "you should apologise for the government's Actual Nazi acts", "that wasn't the government" is a legitimate response. this discussion was never going to be fruitful in the first place
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Mélenchon's core rhetoric is that leftist causes are the true continuity to the stated ideals of the French Republic and that this is a crucial part for sellling demsoc measures to the normies and not letting the Right defines French identity around their own pet issues. being French means you embrace Liberté-Egalité-Fraternité for everyone and all that. Even if this is a bunch of cheesy bullshit if you come from a leftier perspective, it's hard to argue this is without merit when he started getting votes once his rallies ditched the classic  flags in favor of more  ones.The problem is this strategy has diminishing returns, and probably isn't enough to overcome the barrage of attacks and accusations of complicity with terrorism from everyone right of him over anything leftist, anti-racist, etc... Add to that a bunch of internal tensions between some of his lieutenants (the "let's focus on the ~real issues~ instead of identity politics" bunch) and the more outwardly intersectional side of LFI, and he's walking a very thin line. You occasionally see online accusations that he's gone Red-Brown (especially around the time he came out in support of some sort of mandatory service for young people to replace the old military one) but that seems as credible as the Corbyn accusations to me. In a French context courting the far right as a politician means you attack Muslims, period, and LFI has been an imperfect but a lot more reliable ally against Islamophobia than either the Socialist Party or the Greens. IMHO LFI's gonna be politically invisible for a while due to how enthusiastically the entire mainstream has embraced far right bugbears as its own, but we'll see. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 16:12 on May 5, 2021 |
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the core project - that the french republican virtues are socialist virtues - is a very compelling one imo, and it was the core of his front de gauche showing in 2012. the issue is that LFI lets itself be forced into strongly minoritarian positions a lot of the time, and that means that you don't get to grow beyond 15-20% at best. when the situation is such that islamic fundamentalist street violence is a legitimate thing, being vocally pro-muslim is a very difficult position to navigate, especially with the sort of confidence that LFI has to bring into that sort of discussion - "france is structurally xenophobic" is a hard sell after a schoolteacher has been murdered by some psycho, even if it's true. the moral stand being taken is opposite of the instinctive one, which is that this sort of violence is bad and wrong (which it is!) and attempts to contextualise it are very easily spun as being attempts at redirecting moral blame, regardless of whether that's the case (i'd argue that it pretty frequently is, but i don't think that LFI leadership does it) this makes it impossible to have an honest conversation about these issues, and as violent events keep popping up, people get more and more entrenched in their positions, which leads to the violence of desperation being met with brute repression, which leads to further polarisation until someone can make a convincing case that they can make this all stop and go away very quickly, at which point someone starts talking about national convergence...
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Speaking of France, what is with the massive amount of vaccine hesitancy in there? Never would have guessed they're worse then the U.S. https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/EU-VACCINES/qmypmrelyvr/
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DarkCrawler posted:Speaking of France, what is with the massive amount of vaccine hesitancy in there? Never would have guessed they're worse then the U.S. They overspent on a swineflu vaccine a while back for a pandemic that never happened which made people very cross, now doctors who are pro-vaccine get deluged with threats so it's sort of snowballed and there's very little will to push back as it's a vote-loser.
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The whole "Americans are SO DUMB" thing is oversold. Not that there aren't plenty of dumb Americans, but you'll find idiots anywhere, and there are definitely issues on which Americans do better than average for developed nations (weed is probably one, these days).
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the USA just has criminally poor education because of decades of austerity.
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Cicero posted:The whole "Americans are SO DUMB" thing is oversold. It's the last national/ethnic insult still acceptable.
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Doctor Malaver posted:It's the last national/ethnic insult still acceptable. No you still got rural people
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