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I would 100% ride my bike more to get around if the bike paths were fully connected. I want to go from Te Atatu to north west mall say but part of it is on a kind of hosed road and my wife is like 'u will get run over immediately and die' but I don't want to get arrested for riding on the footpath so I've never ridden it. If they painted a line down that one road's footpath it would be great for me, plus I don't see people walking there very much either. Seems a bit crazy to say don't even bother with footpath bike lanes. Maybe just make it legal to ride on footpaths if you're not being an egg? Functionally no change. Also, I got my ebike up to 60km/h no problem down a hill lol
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Slavvy posted:Just looked it up and it seems nz is the wild west because the government doesn't stipulate a maximum assist speed, so whether you have a limiter or not is down to the manufacturer and distributor. Which means we have essentially unregistered, warrantless mopeds running around. Neat!
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Slavvy posted:Just looked it up and it seems nz is the wild west because the government doesn't stipulate a maximum assist speed, so whether you have a limiter or not is down to the manufacturer and distributor. Which means we have essentially unregistered, warrantless mopeds running around. Neat! https://kiwihoverboard.co.nz/product/m1-black-fat-tyre-scooter-off-road/
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Mar 2, 2023 02:32
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Yeah I know, they are terrible and a menace
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Mar 2, 2023 02:34
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bobbilljim posted:I would 100% ride my bike more to get around if the bike paths were fully connected. I want to go from Te Atatu to north west mall say but part of it is on a kind of hosed road and my wife is like 'u will get run over immediately and die' but I don't want to get arrested for riding on the footpath so I've never ridden it. If they painted a line down that one road's footpath it would be great for me, plus I don't see people walking there very much either. Seems a bit crazy to say don't even bother with footpath bike lanes. Maybe just make it legal to ride on footpaths if you're not being an egg? Functionally no change. Nobody gives a flying gently caress if you ride on the sidewalk, a cop will never ever ticket you for it
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Mar 2, 2023 02:35
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That's great but how does it help me stop being a goody 2 shoes
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Mar 2, 2023 02:43
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Slavvy posted:Nobody gives a flying gently caress if you ride on the sidewalk, a cop will never ever ticket you for it I say this to people constantly when they tell me biking isn't safe, but most NZers are natural rule followers!
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Mar 2, 2023 02:44
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I've regularly hit 50kmh on mine. The true menace no one is talking about is the loving flamingo scooters left all over the local bike paths and footpaths. Love to have a company make my life worse, then say they can't be held responsible for the actions of the people using their services. Maybe you shouldn't loving exist then?
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Mar 2, 2023 03:00
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it says you need a learners to ride this, but how can that be true? you don't need a learners to ride an electric scooter, and this is clearly not a moped.
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Mar 2, 2023 03:04
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Ghostlight posted:it says you need a learners to ride this, but how can that be true? you don't need a learners to ride an electric scooter, and this is clearly not a moped. It probably intended to be on the road instead of the sidewalk (and as you said it's not a moped so it isn't getting any favors there), both of which would need a liscense afaik. The 'offroad' version has no such requirements.
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carrionman posted:I've regularly hit 50kmh on mine. I throw them into the bushes at every opportunity Ghostlight posted:it says you need a learners to ride this, but how can that be true? you don't need a learners to ride an electric scooter, and this is clearly not a moped. There is this gaping, cavernous hole in NZ law that starts at the 50cc mark If you make electric pseudo moped things legally a moped then they have to meet nzta road worthiness standards which almost none of them do. If you want to draw a line between those things and 50cc scooters then you have to distinguish between a true moped (has pedals and an engine/motor) and a scooter (engine/motor power only), which are legally currently the same thing. If you do this you must then require a full license and wof for scooters, at which point the entire scooter industry in NZ collapses because you can't sell a Chinese scooter for $1500 with a free helmet if you also have to care about things like that.
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Mar 2, 2023 03:46
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something awful forums posters absolutely seething at this "worse than nothing" bike infrastructure  literally unusable, I certainly don't trundle the whole way down at 20kph every day, happily separated from the traffic
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Mar 2, 2023 03:50
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That looks like absolute poo poo and I am on the road in both of those spots. The drivers would be much less angry at me if the magic symbols weren't painted there.
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Mar 2, 2023 03:53
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'Ride on the sidewalk' is the car driver version of 'go back to your country' and the best solution is to swamp every street with hundreds of bicycles
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Mar 2, 2023 03:54
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The issue is that Kiwis blaze out of their driveways, and if you're biking on the footpath you're likely to get knocked off, as I have in the past. That's why proper cycleways have line of sight worked out for each driveway, which is again a huge difference when you're getting into that 30kmph range.
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Slavvy posted:There is this gaping, cavernous hole in NZ law that starts at the 50cc mark After doing some reading though the actual thing is just that the page is lying. The NZTA have advised the police that e-scooters of this type (beyond what fits in the low-power vehicle category) should be treated as if they were categorised as mopeds (despite exceeding the limits that distinguish a moped from a motorcycle) and should be registered, warranted, and licensed as such.
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Mar 2, 2023 04:23
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Ghostlight posted:The definition of a moped under NZ law doesn't require pedals, and mopeds don't require a full license. No poo poo, that's the problem!
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What? But if a moped not requiring a full license is the problem then how would distinguishing e-scooters from mopeds (scooters) require e-scooters to get a full license? Contrary to your assertions, e-scooters are already distinguished under the law from scooters/mopeds.
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300 watts is the line between an electric scooter and an actual scooter, looks like the law has changed. Idk where the average electric shitter lands on this. But also you don't need a full license for a 50cc or a warrant of fitness and that, to me, is hosed.
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both of your photos have lightpoles in the middle of the supposed cyclelane bike tory. am i supposed to be owned by this
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bike tory posted:something awful forums posters absolutely seething at this "worse than nothing" bike infrastructure
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300 watts is the line past which an electric scooter isn't classified as a low-powered vehicle (and therefore can be on the road legally without registration, licensing, etc) It doesn't become an actual scooter (moped) past that line because in 2018 e-scooters were explicitly declared to not be motor-vehicles under 168D of the Land Transport Act. What defines an actual scooter (moped) is, essentially, that it is a less powerful motorcycle. It cannot have a engine above 50cc or a top speed above 50kph, or else it's a motorcycle. Essentially the blind-spot is that when we declared e-scooters to not be motor-vehicles we failed to anticipate that technology would advance and produce an e-scooter that is essentially a motorcycle that cannot legally be on the road because it is not a permitted vehicle type, but in response the NZTA have informally declared that it can be considered a permitted vehicle type if you get a WOF, registration, and a license for it as if it were a moped.
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But you don't need a wof for a moped!!
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Oh you're right on that one. You do need registration and license still.
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A learner license yeah
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And some kind of armoured gloves. Got side-swiped off the road in Hawkes Bay by the usual sort and I'm pretty sure my left hand didn't have its fingers re-set correctly.
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If you think that pole is a problem, wait until you see how much space a car takes up! The answer might shock you!
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You're right, that's why they need to get off the streets and make room for my bicycle
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Slavvy posted:You're right, that's why they need to get off the streets and make room for my bicycle At least we can agree on that.
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not sure what the point of speed limiting e-bikes to 25kmh would be considering I can hit 45/50 going down even the smallest of hills in wellington on an acoustic bike
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My totally irrational belief is that you earned that speed by climbing the hill and doing it with an ebike is just all the power with none of the responsibility born of attainment.
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sooo i wrote a thing https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131374232/a-year-on-from-the-parliamentary-riots-mps-just-get-on-with-life
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I regularly got up to and over 55 passing cars going down here on Adelaide road, island bay, Wellington on my push bike https://maps.app.goo.gl/HbWju6w5g7jD3YQZA I do think it was pretty irresponsible but in the moment it ruled and if I didn't have to stop at the roundabout I didn't have to pedal for a.couple of blocks lol
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https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/02/dont-f-come-and-talk-to-me-wayne-brown-snaps-at-reporter/ Old mate is just on fire
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exmarx posted:sooo i wrote a thing Labour: pro covid response National: pro cops Seymour: pro poo flingers
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Was it this thread that had the goon who was of the opinion that if your bike had tyres any wider than a road bikes you may as well drive, because the rubber dust coming off them was the same amount of pollution as a car, exhaust fumes and all?
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exmarx posted:sooo i wrote a thing Quoting my favorite bit of your piece: David Seymour posted:“Look, I think it was a very sad chapter in New Zealand history. And we have to be honest, the cause was a needlessly inflexible vaccination policy and the childish response of the Speaker.” Anti-plague measures are inflexible by need, ya dolt. (edit: talking to Seymour)
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carrionman posted:Was it this thread that had the goon who was of the opinion that if your bike had tyres any wider than a road bikes you may as well drive, because the rubber dust coming off them was the same amount of pollution as a car, exhaust fumes and all? ridin dirty
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I did an electric conversion on my bike a couple or years ago. 1000W motor can hit 50kph which I've only done once while testing. lovely old mountain bikes don't really like going 50kph, I'm pretty sure it was trying to kill me. I prefer to cruise 25-30 kph , and anyway the stock bank trails I'm usually on have a couple of holes in them atm.
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