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Dick Trauma posted:In attempting to build a simple intranet for our HR person it's been interesting to see how much website construction has changed since back when I was doing this as an actual job in the 1990s. Back then I was mostly hand-coding for HTML 2/3 in GoLive Cyberstudio. I don't know why, but this is a really heartwarming post. Also, ditch dreamweaver. Check out VS Code, along with CSS Frameworks[ link link ] or full web application frameworks [ link link ] or just front end libraries [ link link ]
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Dick Trauma posted:In attempting to build a simple intranet for our HR person it's been interesting to see how much website construction has changed since back when I was doing this as an actual job in the 1990s. Back then I was mostly hand-coding for HTML 2/3 in GoLive Cyberstudio. dreamweaver is garbage compared to other stuff that has come out since. I kind of miss HTML/CSS, when I was in my CS program in college html and CSS was my favorite class.
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Sep 19, 2017 19:44
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Recommendations please for a patch management tool which can handle service restarts, or scripting, or just generally allow more graceful management of servers than 'reboot and come back up when you're ready'?
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Sep 19, 2017 19:56
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Recommendations please for a patch management tool which can handle service restarts, or scripting, or just generally allow more graceful management of servers than 'reboot and come back up when you're ready'? This is kind of a vague question. Are you looking for a config management system like Chef where you programmatically define what the correct state of a machine should be (eg. the version of node installed should be 6.10.3)?
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Sep 19, 2017 20:01
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No I mean literally patches, like, go forth, patch these 20 Windows boxes because I clicked Patch.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:02
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We use Shavlik, which is expensive, but you can tell it to not reboot, schedule the reboot, all sorts of poo poo.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:04
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:No I mean literally patches, like, go forth, patch these 20 Windows boxes because I clicked Patch. The problem with what you're asking is a lot of things in Windows are dumb and really do require full system reboots to load up the new patched code. For a nice one-click GUI you could look into using Rundeck to define jobs with the winRM plugin http://rundeck.org/
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Sep 19, 2017 20:06
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Today I've been seeing first-hand that commiserating with users over the poor state of a system and working through it to deliver a sub-par product will sometimes earn you as many/more brownie points and respect than just fixing/improving the system before it became an issue in the first place. I'm not really filing this away as usable information or saying it's at all a good idea for a Plan A, and ultimately this is just another aspect of having decent "people skills", but I'm kind of surprised I'm not hearing more complaints about something. Japanese Dating Sim fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 20:08
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Methanar posted:The problem with what you're asking is a lot of things in Windows are dumb and really do require full system reboots to load up the new patched code.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:13
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:No I mean, I know it has to reboot I just want to be able to do MORE than tell it to reboot. I want to reboot 5 servers, then I want to run this command, then I want to reboot 6 servers, then I want to validate that a service is running before rebooting 5 more, etc. System Center Orchestrator (SCORCH) is the Microsoft way of doing this. Pretty much the only way to sanely patch clusters right now.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:21
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:System Center Orchestrator (SCORCH) is the Microsoft way of doing this. Beat me to it. I think its pretty expensive though right?
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Sep 19, 2017 20:27
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I honestly can not believe that with all the push towards Powershell I can't just run a bunch of commands to patch my environment short of downloading a 3rd party module from Github.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:37
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We use N-central for patching. It is a whole RMM suite. It handles third party patches, remote access, scripting, and monitoring.
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Sep 19, 2017 20:55
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I honestly can not believe that with all the push towards Powershell I can't just run a bunch of commands to patch my environment short of downloading a 3rd party module from Github. I mean, you could write a PowerShell script to do it.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:11
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Internet Explorer posted:I mean, you could write a PowerShell script to do it. Patch-Server -Filter * -Restart
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Sep 19, 2017 21:15
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I honestly can not believe that with all the push towards Powershell I can't just run a bunch of commands to patch my environment short of downloading a 3rd party module from Github. Never used it before (only done automation for windows with Chef) but ansible should do what you want, like in this example: https://www.virtualtothecore.com/en/patching-windows-servers-ansible/ Another short example patching for WannaCry: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/patching-windows-against-wannacry-ransomware-using-ansible-krishna/ Ansible docs: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/win_updates_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/intro_windows.html It has host inventory file you manage, and you can customize how many servers go in parallel etc.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:39
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Well some old bat just tried to get me fired today. Our parent company has this old lady who was employee number 3 when the company started 40 something years ago or whatever as a secretary. She doesn't have an official title at the moment but all she basically does is look for things she doesn't like in the building and demand it be changed. She does this at our company building instead of her own, because the parent company doesn't have the money to have cool things. Whatever, I generally don't have to deal with her in any part of my work. The issue is that we are expanding our building and we have had a lot of 3rd party vendors do building construction for us. I, a new employee of the company, have also been in this area seen by her installing some network equipment because the rest of the team is busy with poo poo I don't want to do. She has seen me in this area and assumes I am a laborer. Fast forward to today and she walks past me in a hallway and demands I go to the other side of the building and move pallets because and I quote "They look atrocious where they are and we should all know better than to leave it in the middle of the floor." I told her that I don't feel like moving pallets right now and that she probably has me confused with someone else. I introduce myself and she has none of it. She pokes me in the chest with her loving glasses and tells me she knows exactly who I am and that I better move those pallets like she said. I walk away both laughing and angry that this old bag just poked me with her dumb glasses. The CIO catches up with me later and tells me this old bag yelled at the construction crew to figure out who my boss was only to not get anywhere. Someone from another department stops her, talks to her, and eventually ends up talking to my CIO. Apparently she told him that as an employee here I don't know my place and yada yada yada. She tells him that she wants me gone. He informs her that I am not involved in or in charge of building construction and that I am not be used to move pallets. I am livid that I just had another employee poke me with anything. We talk and he calms down. I ask him why she is here and why someone doesn't tell her to gently caress off, but apparantly its another weird social dynamic with the elderly owner. Everything else about this job is borderline loving luxurious but this weird poo poo is taking me for a loop.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:45
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Have you seriously not dealt with any politics like that before?
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Sep 19, 2017 21:48
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Trash Trick posted:Have you seriously not dealt with any politics like that before? Yeah it seems like this could be defused with "you'd have to clear that with my supervisor"
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Sep 19, 2017 21:57
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It sounds like she'll probably retire/die soon so I wouldn't stress too much about it?
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Sep 19, 2017 22:03
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I don't take kindly to getting poked with anything and HR would be hearing about it, but it sounds like there's probably not a lot to be done at that psycho factory you've taken employment at.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:05
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I'm pretty sure Sickening is at the point in his career where he doesn't have to direct people to his supervisor when they ask him to move a pallet. Once you get high enough it's all a bullshit power game and if you don't stand up for yourself people are going to walk all over you. [Edit: And yeah, I agree with MC Fruit Stripe, physically touching me is going to involve HR, but in this case it sounds like it's best to just shrug and move on or find a new job. Place sounds good otherwise, so I'd just shrug and move on and let crazy old lady be crazy old lady.]
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Sep 19, 2017 22:06
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Internet Explorer posted:I'm pretty sure Sickening is at the point in his career where he doesn't have to direct people to his supervisor when they ask him to move a pallet. Because telling her "no" worked out so well
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Sep 19, 2017 22:08
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mewse posted:Because telling her "no" worked out so well It seemed to work out just fine? Other than her being annoying and aggressively poking him with her glasses. Now everyone that she's talked to know he's not going to be bullied into dumb poo poo because he's a professional who is there to do a job.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:10
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I don't take kindly to getting poked with anything and HR would be hearing about it, but it sounds like there's probably not a lot to be done at that psycho factory you've taken employment at. I loving hate being poked, I would likely be in a rage after this kind of incident.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:11
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You're the guy saying to find a new job because he got poked with some glasses
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Sep 19, 2017 22:12
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No one is telling him to find a new job.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:14
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Internet Explorer posted:it sounds like it's best to just shrug and move on or find a new job.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:15
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I should clarify that were I in that situation, I probably would have done the exact same thing and likewise been very annoyed. But I would probably remind myself that, like I said, she'll probably be gone soon and doesn't matter that much. Especially given that the CIO handled it pretty properly and told her not to bother you.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:16
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Ah, I see. So you're one of those people who can't read good.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:17
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Can we have one situation go by without devolving into a fight?
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Sep 19, 2017 22:42
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Can we have one situation go by without devolving into a fight? No gently caress you fight me irl
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Sep 19, 2017 22:44
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Poke me with your glasses again and see what happens, granny. I will punch you out.
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Sep 19, 2017 22:45
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Pull up thread, pull up!
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Sep 19, 2017 22:48
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CLAM DOWN posted:No gently caress you fight me irl
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Sep 19, 2017 22:48
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Don't you live in Vancouver? I probably can't afford to fight you If the hobos can fight on the street than so can we
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Sep 19, 2017 23:03
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Can we have one situation go by without devolving into a fight? Sure we c CLAM DOWN posted:No gently caress you fight me irl Okay, maybe not.
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CLAM DOWN posted:If the hobos can fight on the street than so can we Those hobos make 50k a year.
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Sep 20, 2017 00:04
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GreenNight posted:Those hobos make 50k a year. So homeless in Vancouver.
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Sickening posted:Beat me to it. I think its pretty expensive though right? I don't think you can buy it ala carte, you have to buy it with the full System Center suite, or at least a part of it that includes Operations Manager and Config Manager. I mean you totally can do it with Powershell scripts, but it's going to be hacky at best without some sort of runbook solution. I imagine PS DSC, Ansible, Chef, yadda yadda can all accomplish it somehow with enough development.
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