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A MIRACLE posted:Makes sense, that's why I only ride bikes with single pot calipers Pfft if you really cared about safety you'd be rolling 100mm drums.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that very post came up often, but if I'm thinking about the one in question, the dude arguing about the ABS ring was absolutely committed to it to the point that it was immaterial whether or not he was trolling. There was also debate about single vs. dual rotors and taking a poo poo before riding in the same thread.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:I wouldn't be surprised if that very post came up often, but if I'm thinking about the one in question, the dude arguing about the ABS ring was absolutely committed to it to the point that it was immaterial whether or not he was trolling. There was also debate about single vs. dual rotors and taking a poo poo before riding in the same thread. Yeah, that sounds like the same one. If that guy was trolling he was super committed. But it is hard to imagine someone actually believing that to be true.
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I'd dive into this page to find that guy, but jesus christ 56 pages of bitching about ABS http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/should-i-get-abs-brakes.1203903/ edit: oh wait, I found the idiot! http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/should-i-get-abs-brakes.1203903/page-4#post-31512633 Slim Pickens fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Feb 26, 2018 20:55
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Slim Pickens posted:I'd dive into this page to find that guy, but jesus christ 56 pages of bitching about ABS That's it. So good to go back and re-read. I took off my wheel weights to overcome the disadvantages of ABS. I also took an angle grinder to the tires to reduce unnecessary tire weight.
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Feb 26, 2018 21:07
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Why couldn't the motorcyclist enjoy the opera before the fat lady came on? He was obsessing over unsung weight
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Feb 26, 2018 21:26
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I love the idea of obsessing over an ounce or whatever of unsprung weight while adding hundreds of pounds to a 600lb motorcycle. Also people on ADVrider are typically really fat.
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Feb 26, 2018 21:36
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Wonder how many of these middle aged ADV tragics are also gun nuts, aircraft engineers or model train enthusiasts. My anecdotal experience says all of them but NZ might be different to the rest of the world that way.
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Feb 26, 2018 21:58
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There’s a lot of low key and not so low key dog whistley type talk on there. It’s a cesspool.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:10
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I had to get the Chrome website blocker to keep me from going to ADVRider while at work because I don't have the self-control to not constantly shitpost and troll all those skidmarks and their idiotic opinions. Dangit I just went and got all heated up again.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:13
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I've not noticed the dog whistle racism, but I have noticed the abundance of completely pathetic and desperate comments any time a woman is brought up in conversation. Or a hypothetical women. It's so weird and creepy. Someone posted a video of a woman on a grom in the grom thread and people immediately suggested they have a "women on groms" thread wink wink nudge nudge augh.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:18
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Just a friendly reminder that (grom aside) you've described AI/ CA circa 2013 and anyone whingeing about me or any of the other difficult personalities here should keep that in mind. I say this because I recall a few years ago myself, z3n and a few other people got a lot of poo poo for suggesting that sexism shouldn't be a thing here, and now we live in the golden future where we can point and laugh at the retards on other forums for the same stuff.
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Slavvy posted:Just a friendly reminder that (grom aside) you've described AI/ CA circa 2013 and anyone whingeing about me or any of the other difficult personalities here should keep that in mind. I wouldn't use the r-word if I were you Anyway I always laugh at the second-most-common (after "I'm far too good a rider to ever need ABS") excuse people use not to get it, that they ride really safe and so never need it. My ABS has kicked in three times in the three years I've been riding a bike. Each time was when I was just bimbling along pretty slowly (cyclist diving out into the filter lane while I was doing 10mph down it, pedestrian tripping up off the pavement into my path, and the little escapade with the minicab going round the roundabout I've posted the video of). You don't need ABS at all right up until the very, very unexpected happens and then having the freedom to just yank the lever back to the bar and save mental bandwidth to
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Contrariwise, my biggest crash to date happened when I was a clueless newbie, completely destroyed a lovely bike and would've 100% been prevented by ABS. I've also had several incidents where I narrowly avoided crashing out of pure luck that would've been non-issues if those bikes had had abs.
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As a fat, middle aged ADV tragic, I am past needing abs, capitalized or otherwise. Would you like to hear about my bad back? Nags me worse than my first wife.
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Coydog posted:I've not noticed the dog whistle racism, but I have noticed the abundance of completely pathetic and desperate comments any time a woman is brought up in conversation. Or a hypothetical women. It's so weird and creepy. men are just generally so poo poo i'm working on a pilot's license and in some ways the experience is very much like when i learned to ride a motorcycle: every live human being I've interacted with in the process has been friendly and helpful and respectful, while everyone on the field-specific internet forums is an unbelievable failure of humanity. example -- I was looking up some information about fuel burn figures and came across a post where a woman (username included the name "Kimberly") had asked a similar question.
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clutchpuck posted:BS. The XB engine was a bulletproof sweetheart with just as much power as a new Africa Twin. I've crossed this land on that motor a few times. It's designed for American 2-lane and it really excels there Believe it or not I agree that the sporty engine is really good and not anything like Harleys usually are, but it's also hopelessly heavy and cumbersome for a sportbike. Also fully agree with the rest, if they had approached it with the intent to make sensible normal bikes that happened to be American instead of Japanese they'd still be going today. But that's also asking for Buell to not be Buell.
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Every time I see a Ulysses for sale, I want it. I dunno if they're good or not, but they always seemed neat. The Street Rod, on the other hand, makes no sense when you can get a new SV650 or FZ-07 for ~$7k. When I first saw the name, I thought they had dropped the VROD motor into a small frame, but that would have been too exciting (and probably bad).
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It makes perfect sense because an sv looks like a cut price monster and the fz looks like a hideous bug abortion and some people want to look like a cool Harley dude but also want to learn on something smaller than a super yacht. Not to mention both those bikes are built on underpinnings paid for and lessons learned decades ago whereas the street models are coming from literally nothing, every single part on them is the first generation and unexplored territory for the engineering department. They're kinda crappy because they're a learning model for Harley to cut their teeth on, learn how to build a sensible modern bike and then apply that to their bread and butter models whilst simultaneously paving the way for a more complete small bike lineup. Think Hyundai in the early 00's vs Hyundai now. I've defended then before and I'll do it again: Harley are very clever, have a lot of resources and they know what the gently caress they're doing. Every new bike or model they release is a huge step forward compared to the last and ever-closer to the stylistic and engineering mean; doubling down on chromosexual bullshit in the 90's is what's making it so hard for them today, but they'll get there.
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I'm really excited for their electric unveiling hopefully later this year. But it might be too late, and I'll have a zero in my garage
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Slavvy posted:I've defended then before and I'll do it again: Harley are very clever, have a lot of resources and they know what the gently caress they're doing. Every new bike or model they release is a huge step forward compared to the last and ever-closer to the stylistic and engineering mean; doubling down on chromosexual bullshit in the 90's is what's making it so hard for them today, but they'll get there. And I hope they do. I can only speak to my test ride of the Street 750 (and to Harley's benefit, they were happy to let me do it, unlike some dealers I've been to), which was Extremely Underwhelming.
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Sagebrush posted:men are just generally so poo poo 1) ugh ffs why  2) awesome, what you looking at flying? I've been looking into microlight in anticipation of when I finally have some money again, since licence training is only about 20 hours and comes to a bit over a couple thousand pounds compared to the five figures needed for a light aircraft PPL, and there's at least one field fairly close to me that has some three axis stuff.
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At the moment just your regular single-engine land stuff (the flight school has a bunch of Cessna 152/172/182, some Pipers, and a couple of taildraggers) but my goal is to someday be able to fly a seaplane. The PPL can be a pretty long process and I just started recently, but once you have that, the seaplane certification doesn't appear to be that much more work. I saw a transcript of an interview once, or maybe it was a book excerpt, with a German fighter pilot from WW2 where he pointed out that all airplane pilots also ride motorcycles. He figured it was because motorcycles and airplanes both bank into turns -- which is also the way that small boats and horses and human beings turn at speed., and thus the most natural way to move. Only cars are weird backwards outliers that lean to the outside of a turn.
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Fats posted:Every time I see a Ulysses for sale, I want it. I dunno if they're good or not, but they always seemed neat. They're really good bikes. Pretty simple, mechanically, well designed. Bummer about that martini Monday policy at the factory though; they all come with something to fix. Slavvy posted:Believe it or not I agree that the sporty engine is really good and not anything like Harleys usually are, but it's also hopelessly heavy and cumbersome for a sportbike. They are brilliant in a "sport adventure" bike tho.
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Harley makes really really good bikes that are somehow also not very good. They are a weird company like that. They are ubiquitous here in Milwaukee, which underlines how monstrously sized they are as a company moreso than it probably does in other places. I’m confident they have competent and brilliant engineers on staff. I think they get muffled under the whims of the marketing department and their core contingent.
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I feel like Harley has this bizarre issue where some great designers lay out the front and middle section of the bike, and then they’re contractually obligated to have Uncle Lenny finish the rear in a “traditionalist” fashion. The first 2/3 of the Fat Bob and Roadster look amazing, but their tails make them look like a dog squatting to take a dump. They just can’t let go of this bobber bullshit, can they? Level the Roadster’s tail out with the rest of the bike’s chassis, have an employee park it amongst some Triumph bikes at the local bike meet and watch the motorcyclists’ eyes bug out at a skinnier, prettier Bonneville. Edit: The other problem I have how hideous and stupid their “accessories” are; it looks like an 8-year-old designed half of that crap. Note to Harley: skulls, American flags and flames haven’t been cool since the 80’s. I bet your designers die a little bit inside every time you sell something from that horrible catalog. funeral home DJ fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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To be fair, the catalogue also features monstrously overpriced go-fast bits that look good and work well. Also a great number of middle aged men disagree with you wrt skulls et al. And that poo poo has a lot less real estate in their range than it used to. Only Ducati come close in the dumb bullshit stakes though; my missus has a pair of Ducati corse flip flops - RRP $90.
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Slavvy posted:To be fair, the catalogue also features monstrously overpriced go-fast bits that look good and work well. https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/838/45603/KTM-Toaster “If you ride a KTM you can’t eat ordinary toast for breakfast. This specially designed toaster gives an extra toast in the shape of the KTM logo.”
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Slavvy posted:To be fair, the catalogue also features monstrously overpriced go-fast bits that look good and work well. Price your go-fast bits high, and as long as they look as good as the first 2/3 of those bikes that’s absolutely fair. Unfortunately, I don’t think any but a small portion of the Roadster or Fat Bob sales will ever see those upgrades. Also don’t take me making GBS threads on their business practices as making GBS threads on their bikes, I genuinely like the bikes. I’m just pointing out (like many, many, many people before me) that pushing for the middle-aged men demographic is hurting them, not helping. Make the bikes look good so they work with anyone from 16-106 years old and you have a much better chance at seeing the mark continue into the future. I’ve seen some dumb poo poo in the Ducati catalogs but never felt that the brand was marred by it, but I can’t shake the feeling that I’m too “young” to own a Harley, and I’m in my 30’s for Christ’s sake.
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builds character posted:https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/838/45603/KTM-Toaster There’s also the KTM shower curtain. Stop pushing lifestyle and get back to making sumos.
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clutchpuck posted:BS. The XB engine was a bulletproof sweetheart with just as much power as a new Africa Twin. I've crossed this land on that motor a few times. It's designed for American 2-lane and it really excels there Most people that want to ride sporty bikes want engines that rev above 6k RPM and don't have the other Harley characteristics. I never said the motors were unreliable or didn't make whatever power they made. Slavvy posted:Just a friendly reminder that (grom aside) you've described AI/ CA circa 2013 and anyone whingeing about me or any of the other difficult personalities here should keep that in mind. Wow you sure were the savior of CA. I'd love to see actual evidence of any of these posts or discussions that you think happened.
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Sure says oval office a lot This is the only ktm branded item I need 
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GriszledMelkaba posted:Sure says oval office a lot i have these and my kid keeps dropping them all the time
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Slavvy posted:Harley are very clever, have a lot of resources and they know what the gently caress they're doing. quote:Every new bike or model they release is a huge step forward compared to the last and ever-closer to the stylistic and engineering mean;
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n8r posted:Most people that want to ride sporty bikes want engines that rev above 6k RPM and don't have the other Harley characteristics. I never said the motors were unreliable or didn't make whatever power they made. You said they're poo poo. I don't know how having messed up expectations and wanting to use the engine wrong makes it poo poo
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n8r posted:Most people that want to ride sporty bikes want engines that rev above 6k RPM and don't have the other Harley characteristics. I never said the motors were unreliable or didn't make whatever power they made. You're the biggest wanker here, gently caress off. Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Their sales numbers during the recession and this year might suggest otherwise. Water cooling sure, USD forks, monoshock rear, functioning brakes, less and less chrome as time goes on, more 'alternative' looks like cafe racer looking poo poo across the board, an entire new model range built out of nothing. I don't know if sales numbers in a recession mean much, they just haven't got a huge number of small bikes selling across Asia to prop them up like other big makes do. I'd also argue when model cycles are 6-10 years it's kind of hard to turn poo poo around completely in a few quarters when you have to undo twenty years worth of institutional damage and s simultaneously learn a shitload of new manufacturing techniques and refine entirely new models. Like I'm all for making GBS threads on Harley's dumb bullshit but they're in the same place Kawasaki was in the late 90's/very early 2000's and that ended up ok.
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Slavvy posted:Like I'm all for making GBS threads on Harley's dumb bullshit but they're in the same place Kawasaki was in the late 90's/very early 2000's and that ended up ok. Kawasaki has the entire Kawasaki Heavy Industries conglomerate to draw on for additional funding if the powersports group sees a downturn. HD has T-shirts and bandanas. The pinch they're in is a bit tighter.
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U got me Slavvy - totally proved it. At any rate - if you look at the actual numbers / profits of HOG vs. other motorcycle companies, they honestly look pretty good. Instead of just guessing / making poo poo up you can look at their financials: https://finance.google.com/finance?q=hog&ei=BASXWtHHF4WP2AbLh7roAw https://ycharts.com/companies/YAMCY/pe_ratio https://www.gurufocus.com/term/pe/PIAGF/PE-Ratio/Piaggio--C-SpA https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/szkmf/charts Too lazy to really dig deep, but HOG weathered the recession far better than probably all the other bike makers. Things look to have flattened out a bit, but their numbers still look really good. If Harley decided to start making more modern bikes it's not like it's some insane R&D process that would take ages. Don't they buy a lot of their suspension poo poo from Showa, just start ordering up the more modern poo poo.
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