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Andrast posted:All mtg formats exist solely to sell cards everything is made to sell money, smash the state
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The only good card games are CaH and all its knockoffs. I can't get enough of matching a prompt card with the most outrageous response card in your hand. Can you believe Nana played "giant black dicks" for "things that are yummy?" LOL
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Mar 8, 2018 13:23
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i like sealed, it gives me an excuse to buy more booster packs
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Mar 8, 2018 13:51
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Draft based board games are an entirely different animal, most of them are entirely about the draft and as soon as you've finally put together a sweet looking deck the game is over and you count victory points. MTG draft is about drafting a deck and then playing it.
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Mar 8, 2018 14:05
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Matsuri posted:I'm not a fan of drafting, no. That was kind of soured for me when I went to Kaladesh prerelease and went against a guy who pulled a Mana Crypt Invention when I barely pulled anything worthwhile. That and it just takes loving forever. This happens maybe once a month at a store. Draft is the most skill intensive way to play the game.
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Mar 8, 2018 15:24
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Also, if there is any format development actually cares about, it’s limited. Sets are literally designed with that in mind more than anything else.
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AlternateNu posted:Also, if there is any format development actually cares about, it’s limited. Sets are literally designed with that in mind more than anything else. Which is a loving travesty.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:14
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Sealed is the competitive format that most closely matches the casual kitchen table experience. Allegedly that's a much bigger driver of sales than tournament magic, and if that's the case it makes a lot of sense to prioritize making the limited environment fun (without neglecting competitive play too much). I have no idea what they're trying to do with Masters sets though. I don't think Wizards really knows either.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:18
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Matsuri posted:You remember what I said about overexaggerating the emotions of other people just for the sake of riling them up? That's dumb and it just makes you look dumb. "i hate draft because i played a format that wasn't draft and i got unlucky and the other person made more money than me abloobloobloo" - a direct quote from you
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Mar 8, 2018 16:19
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I can understand, if not condone disliking booster draft because of the variance and low power level. But I think we can all agree that if you don't love cube you're a bad person.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:25
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Attorney at Funk posted:I can understand, if not condone disliking booster draft because of the variance and low power level. But I think we can all agree that if you don't love cube you're a bad person. What if the cube is bad
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Mar 8, 2018 16:29
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ShaneB posted:What if the cube is bad Then we have failed the cube.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:30
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ShaneB posted:What if the cube is bad Then you need to add more deserts.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:32
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I'm would draft RIX over M25 every single time.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:37
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ShaneB posted:What if the cube is bad Cube cannot fail. It can only be failed.
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mcmagic posted:I'm would draft RIX over M25 every single time. pricewise it's a no brainer
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Mar 8, 2018 16:58
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mcmagic posted:I'm would draft RIX over M25 every single time. I'll give M25 a shot, but I suspect I'll agree
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Mar 8, 2018 17:01
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Lone Goat posted:"i hate draft because i played a format that wasn't draft and i got unlucky and the other person made more money than me abloobloobloo" - a direct quote from you That wasn't what I said at all, you histrionic fucknut. Stop that. I dislike the random nature of limited in the sense that some players can pull supremely broken cards while others pull very little that can be playable. It puts players on uneven playing ground that owes more favor to luck than anything else, and I don't find that to be very enjoyable. Any other way this statement is twisted is objectively incorrect. Framboise fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Mar 8, 2018 17:07
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Matsuri posted:That wasn't what I said at all, you histrionic fucknut. Stop that. Pull up and don’t engage with lonegoat, you’re looking like kind of a butt atm
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Mar 8, 2018 17:09
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Magic loving sucks, why does anyone play it?!
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80s James Hetfield posted:Magic loving sucks, why does anyone play it?! new thread title
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Mar 8, 2018 17:18
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I do find it weird that someone who prefers 100 card singleton formats is turned off by variance.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:21
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Gustav posted:I do find it weird that someone who prefers 100 card singleton formats is turned off by variance. hm yes constructed and limited are the same i see now
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Mar 8, 2018 17:22
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80s James Hetfield posted:Magic loving sucks, why does anyone play it?! Dominaria really needs to be good. Please for fucks sake let it be good.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:23
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Sickening posted:Dominaria really needs to be good. Please for fucks sake let it be good. There really isn’t much reason to think it’ll be a considerable step beyond what Magic has been the last two or so years.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:28
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TheKingofSprings posted:There really isn’t much reason to think it’ll be a considerable step beyond what Magic has been the last two or so years. The sets Richard Garfield has worked on tend to be really good, so there's reason to hope there Also it's not an artifact-themed set whose design is led by Rosewater so that's a huge plus too
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Mar 8, 2018 17:30
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I can't wait for Dominaria, i wonder what the themes will be
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TheKingofSprings posted:There really isn’t much reason to think it’ll be a considerable step beyond what Magic has been the last two or so years. I mean, enough has happened that its forced some change. Lets just hope its the change for the good of the game. Reminded me a post I saw today in response to a post being sad about not having slivers in the next set but being optimistic. https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/82qweu/no_slivers_in_dominaria_the_set/dvc5v2a/ slowhand88 posted:Probably none of it, to be quite honest. Why is it so hard for people to realize that Dominaria is a 2018 Magic set and will be exactly like every other recent set? I assume everyone goes through some self reflection about being cynical all the time. I desperately want this next set to be good against all the good sense that says its not likely.
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Mar 8, 2018 17:33
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Gustav posted:I do find it weird that someone who prefers 100 card singleton formats is turned off by variance. It's a different kind of variance. You still have full control over what you have available to put into the deck, including ways to manipulate your ability to get what you need via tutors and card draw. You are able to build a deck to be as efficient as it can possibly be within the constraints of your colors and strategies. The singleton nature of the format means you have to have more than one way to win if you want a deck to be good, which makes for more interesting games to me (than in Standard or Modern, where you generally know how a game is likely to turn out based on your matchups and because most decks there are explicitly tuned to get the precise cards needed every game). The variance in this sense makes every game unique, which is what I assume people enjoy about Limited, while still letting you have control over what you bring to the table and not leaving that up to the chance of maybe pulling the right cards that can possibly work synergistically from packs or a cube. tl;dr: it's less monotonous than 60 card constructed but more reliable and less luck based than limited Framboise fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Mar 8, 2018 17:36
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But its not a format about winning?
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Sickening posted:But its not a format about winning? ruining friendships is an alternate win condition
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Kurtofan posted:I can't wait for Dominaria, i wonder what the themes will be Best guess at the moment is something revolving around legendaries given the tag line "Gather Legends". The return of a Grandeur maybe.
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Matsuri posted:It's a different kind of variance. You still have full control over what you have available to put into the deck, including ways to manipulate your ability to get what you need via tutors and card draw. You are able to build a deck to be as efficient as it can possibly be within the constraints of your colors and strategies. sealed limited is hilariously luck based but draft limited is not. it's just a different skillset but you're still trying to make the best decision possible given incomplete information about what you're going to see in the future and incomplete (but not non-existent) information about what your opponents are doing.
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Bring back snow lands (b/c apparently I need like 23 snow covered plains for my EDH deck.. That im gonna foil.)
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Matsuri posted:It puts players on uneven playing ground that owes more favor to luck than anything else, and I don't find that to be very enjoyable. Any other way this statement is twisted is objectively incorrect. Same except for constructed and money instead of cards opened.
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evilweasel posted:sealed limited is hilariously luck based but draft limited is not. it's just a different skillset but you're still trying to make the best decision possible given incomplete information about what you're going to see in the future and incomplete (but not non-existent) information about what your opponents are doing. Fair enough, I can respect that. I still don't enjoy it much, myself, but that is a good point. suicidesteve posted:Same except for constructed and money instead of cards opened. Wizard poker is expensive 
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Mar 8, 2018 17:47
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Tainen posted:Best guess at the moment is something revolving around legendaries given the tag line "Gather Legends". The return of a Grandeur maybe. Oh boy, a legendary theme would be great, a nice way to portray a lot of characters from Dominaria, espcially if the speculation about a new frame for legendary cards is accurate....
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evilweasel posted:sealed limited is hilariously luck based but draft limited is not. it's just a different skillset but you're still trying to make the best decision possible given incomplete information about what you're going to see in the future and incomplete (but not non-existent) information about what your opponents are doing. Yeah, I don't mind sealed prerelease events, but your success in them is way more dependent on the cards you open compared to draft, where understanding the format and being able to make good decisions can go a long way to mitigating bad luck with the rares/mythics you open
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That seems like common sense, but didn't someone crunch the numbers and find that pros have a bigger edge in Sealed?
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suicidesteve posted:Same except for constructed and money instead of cards opened. Whenever I describe Modern Jund to people I tell them the deck's strategy is to win by drawing more dollars' worth of cards than their opponent. odiv posted:That seems like common sense, but didn't someone crunch the numbers and find that pros have a bigger edge in Sealed? Sealed is still a really skill-testing format, and pros will do better than randos with the same pool. But a pro with a good pool is going to do overwhelmingly better than a pro with an average pool. It's a lot harder for this to happen in Draft because aside from your first-picks everyone's pulling from the same set of cards.
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