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fivre posted:Instead, HR is duplicated and made worse by a program called Taleo.  Taleo Everything about Taleo is terrible, it has to be one of the buggiest programs I've ever seen. It makes Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing look like a finished and well-designed product. I've never received any sort of contact from any company that uses Taleo.
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Sundae posted:If that was literally your research, that'd definitely be a different matter. I was imagining a meme-filled STEM dissertation and cringing. To finish this up, yes, it was a STEM discussion. You may need to cringe harder for the rage comics.
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ryan8723 posted:
I have and now work for them! But drat yes they are corporate indeed. Though unrelated to HR, internal IT is 3 weeks running now getting me an account to use our ticketing system. Handling tickets is essentially the sole function of my job. There is no way to check their progress other than calling them, which will lead to someone picking up the phone in India and ensuring me that the ticket to create my account for the (other) ticket system will be expedited.
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Mar 5, 2013 10:10
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ryan8723 posted:I understand why HR exists, but it seems like the vast majority of their work could be replicated by a simple program. HR's entire function is to minimize the company's legal liability in the event that: 1) You do something stupid that might cause them to get sued. 2) They decide you're not worth your paycheck, and they need a long and well-documented train of evidence for why they fired you. (And if your HR function is worth a poo poo, they have this for everyone. It's there, in a file, just waiting for your boss to decide to let you go.) Everything else they do is a smokescreen.
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Mar 5, 2013 13:00
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Peven Stan posted:I have to say, I recently transitioned into my first corporate job (after basically running the nonprofit rat race since high school) and it's been a pretty chill place to work. My boss has never raised his voice above a barely audible whisper and office politics is nearly zero. People show up, punch in, clock their time, and go home. Of course, for the industry salaries are considerably lower than what you would find at a coastal financial institution. I have worked at places where I thought initially that there was "almost no politics" but at some places it just takes a longer than others to see what's really going on. There are always politics. Still, congrats on a nice boss and a job you like! 
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Mar 5, 2013 14:14
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Earwicker posted:I have worked at places where I thought initially that there was "almost no politics" but at some places it just takes a longer than others to see what's really going on. There are always politics. Yeah, what I've noticed is that people generally just open up around the new person until later on.
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Mar 5, 2013 15:16
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ryan8723 posted:Is there an HR presentation that isn't loving useless? Seriously is there? Because I've never seen one that was an absolute waste of my time. HR people also send out massive amounts of loving retarded emails that no one ever reads because they have more important things to do like I don't know, making the company money. Don't ask for any further details during those presentations, though. They don't know poo poo offhand. Yeah, I work in training, but never HR, thanks loving God. However, because I'm a quiet white lady people always assume I'm one of them.
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Mar 5, 2013 16:15
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I work in a small corporate tech company and while a fun place to work, it's by far the most dysfunctional managerial environment I've ever been in. I don't want to get too specific, but I have a bunch of stories to share in my 5+ years working here.
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Mar 5, 2013 18:10
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I have a pretty dumb sense of humor but I just wanted to say, a shameful boehner, that you have the best new username I have seen in a while.
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Mar 5, 2013 18:19
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Earwicker posted:I have worked at places where I thought initially that there was "almost no politics" but at some places it just takes a longer than others to see what's really going on. There are always politics. Yeah, i'm not going to deny that it doesn't exist, but for the most part compared to where I worked last year it's much less noticeable. Case in point, we don't have an organizer brought onboard from Chicago who grew envious of our relatively high morale and relaxed work ethic, thus calling the abuse hotline for the organization and attempting to throw us in St. Louis under the bus so she could become the new management in St. Louis. The EVP for SEIU Healthcare Illinois called us and said for us to watch our backs since she is a snake. In that local backstabbing and informing on others is frowned upon, but at places like United Healthcare West apparently that's the norm for getting noticed and being fast tracked for promotion. For as much as corporate jobs can be dull and repetitive, "rewarding" nonprofit positions often come with some of the more acrimonious office politics I've seen outside of academia. To give you an example, the entire office I worked for last year was 5 people, with 3 being management, and yet you could tell there were battle lines being drawn between coworkers.
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Mar 5, 2013 20:48
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ryan8723 posted:Is there an HR presentation that isn't loving useless? Seriously is there? Because I've never seen one that was an absolute waste of my time. I dunno, the one where they told me I couldn't grab broad's asses cleared up a lot of my workplace misunderstandings. Also apparently they don't like "broads". No joke, some guy said the following in my anti harassment presentation when I started my new job: "I have constantly had difficulty defining the line between 'flirting' and harassment'". 
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Mar 6, 2013 01:07
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basx posted:HR's entire function is to minimize the company's legal liability in the event that: HR is hall monitor for adults Earwicker posted:I have worked at places where I thought initially that there was "almost no politics" but at some places it just takes a longer than others to see what's really going on. There are always politics. Yeah politics are just a part of every job. It sucks but it's unavoidable.
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Mar 6, 2013 01:12
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COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:Yeah politics are just a part of every job. It sucks but it's unavoidable. Tell me about it. Half of the time though it's a game you have to play to get anything done.
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Mar 6, 2013 11:16
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In five minutes using LucidChart, I was able to wireframe a staffing diagram for my company's support department that is both more efficient and adequately covers all 4 software products for my company. It's also the only actual diagram accounting for future growth, hell, the only actual diagram for how our department should be run, period. This after more than five years. Chances of it being implemented: zero. Our CTO doesn't want to "just throw bodies at problems" (despite us having been understaffed for 3+ years and having exactly one person (me) perform all client and internal trainings). Revenue Per Employee is the worst metric. ex post facho fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Mar 6, 2013 |
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Mar 6, 2013 18:44
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a shameful boehner posted:In five minutes using LucidChart, I was able to wireframe a staffing diagram for my company's support department that is both more efficient and adequately covers all 4 software products for my company. It's also the only actual diagram accounting for future growth, hell, the only actual diagram for how our department should be run, period. This after more than five years. look at Mr. Bigshot being able to create a staffing diagram for his department. We haven't one in 10 years beyond some reports.
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Our HR representative appears to be making a real attempt to get me my raise. He's contacted me several times with revised wording for my job description and asked my input and things. He's taking it over to another department's (more seasoned, senior) HR person to review before he submits it. I feel deeply uneasy.
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Rodent Mortician posted:Our HR representative appears to be making a real attempt to get me my raise. He's contacted me several times with revised wording for my job description and asked my input and things. He's taking it over to another department's (more seasoned, senior) HR person to review before he submits it. I feel deeply uneasy. This post makes me weep for humanity. One HR drone squirrelling over to an older HR drone to discuss the semantics of a job description and how applicable they are to a worker, and whether or not that merits additional monies That said, good luck.
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I came across something today that immediately made me think of this thread: http://svn.cacert.org/CAcert/CAcert_Inc/Board/oss/oss_sabotage.html So a lot of you seem to be working with WWII-era saboteurs. I think it explains a lot, personally.
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Lexicon posted:This post makes me weep for humanity. One HR drone squirrelling over to an older HR drone to discuss the semantics of a job description and how applicable they are to a worker, and whether or not that merits additional monies Same. I think this is emblematic of how broken your company is. If your manager/director felt you were worth saving they'd get it done that day. Either they don't see that or they don't think it. Sorry.
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HipGnosis posted:Same. I think this is emblematic of how broken your company is. If your manager/director felt you were worth saving they'd get it done that day. Either they don't see that or they don't think it. Sorry. So because this is a university, no job changing can be done in-department. Our HR drones have to fill out paperwork and submit to to the higher level HR department that reviews it and makes an "impartial" decision. Since our HR person is new, she's been warned that if she doesn't use the right keywords, the request to increase the position could be denied. Hence the back and forth between the two HR folks trying to fine tune it and make sure it hits the correct career band's keywords. Even if we had 100K sitting in an account to pay me, they still can't put it through without the higher level HR to approve it to make sure it's not going outside the career banding system or for favoritism without extra work, etc. It's a hugely elaborate and broken system.
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^ Ah ok. Government / non-profit is much trickier.
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The paystub lady no longer has a charge number to charge her time distributing paystubs to everyone, so now every other Thursday the entire company has to go stand in line at her desk to get their check. Clearly this is more efficient.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:The paystub lady no longer has a charge number to charge her time distributing paystubs to everyone, so now every other Thursday the entire company has to go stand in line at her desk to get their check. Clearly this is more efficient. So wait, she doesn't have a charge code for that, but everyone else does? Also, have any of you heard of intra-office mail? It's this exciting new thing that was invented in 1323.
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fivre posted:So wait, she doesn't have a charge code for that, but everyone else does? We don't have a charge code either. So we can't be paid to go get paid. And we do have intra-office mail but anything put into that abyss doesn't resurface until about a month later, if you're lucky. All of our projects are overbudget so they're cutting almost everything they can.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:We don't have a charge code either. So we can't be paid to go get paid. Assuming this level of efficiency throughout the company, if you stop ever coming in except to pick up your paychecks, how long would it take payroll to stop actually paying you?
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fivre posted:Assuming this level of efficiency throughout the company, if you stop ever coming in except to pick up your paychecks, how long would it take payroll to stop actually paying you? We have charge codes for other stuff, but if it's not a very specific task for a very specific part of a project it's like pulling teeth to get a charge code for it. When I was posting a while back about creepy sexual harassment guy we had to bitch pretty far up the chain to get a charge number for the HR meetings, they were expecting us to do it for free. Uh, no.
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It seems like a pretty big company, why aren't you guys paid with direct deposit?
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Mar 9, 2013 03:06
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We do, we just have to pick up our pay stubs in person. Because mailing them would cost money. The horror. We really need to land another contract so they stop being so drat stingy.
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Mar 9, 2013 22:56
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:We do, we just have to pick up our pay stubs in person. Because mailing them would cost money. The horror. This, more than anything, demonstrates that your company is run by morons. In what way does postage cost more than the time lost by having your employees queue in line for their pay stubs?
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rolleyes posted:This, more than anything, demonstrates that your company is run by morons. In what way does postage cost more than the time lost by having your employees queue in line for their pay stubs? As far as HR is concerned it's free. What everyone else spends isn't their concern.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:We do, we just have to pick up our pay stubs in person. Because mailing them would cost money. The horror. If it's direct deposit, just check your balance biweekly and pick up your stubs in a bundle every quarter to double check them / for tax purposes?
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:We do, we just have to pick up our pay stubs in person. Because mailing them would cost money. The horror. And what company actually prints out paystubs? Thanks to ePayroll and ADP, I haven't gotten a paystub since I worked at Target in high school.
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I worked at a place that made employees pick up their paystubs when they were off the clock. Also, I'm assuming everyone picks up their paystub while coded into a time code thats billable to the client so nobody cares about the 'money waste'
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We have such a huge management structure that whenever something happens like this and we request a change to change it to something more reasonable by the time it gets up to the person who gives it the final OK it's been warped into "the peons want to waste more of our money!!" and gets shot down. For example we're massively understaffed down on the level of people who actually do work, so we got our direct management to approve a couple job postings to hire more people. One of the VPs of the company caught wind of this and decided it was totally cool to continue to make all the existing employees work 10+ hours of overtime every week and yanked our job postings. I'm staring down at least 16 straight days of work at this point and we're STILL behind. It's only a matter of time before we start leaving in droves and gently caress them over even more. Occasional overtime is one thing, overtime every week with no end in sight is a real hit to morale. I got a talking to by two different bosses one week for only hitting 40 hours because I had an appointment one day and had to take off a half day. And yeah, people usually do just charge it to whatever they happen to be working on when the "hey come get your paystub" email goes out or just grab it on their way out the door in the afternoon. They will mail it if you don't come get it within a set number of days, but will bitch at you about it.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:I'm staring down at least 16 straight days of work at this point and we're STILL behind. I've had times like this and they suck, I agree. My personal record is 21 days straight and at the end of it I had absolutely no idea what day of the week it was.
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ItalicSquirrels posted:I've had times like this and they suck, I agree. My personal record is 21 days straight and at the end of it I had absolutely no idea what day of the week it was. Yeah, I hate those weeks where you just start thinking about how many hours until you have to be back rather than what day of the week it is.
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I really love finding out about major decisions that effect everyone at my workplace from the media before hearing it from the company's leadership themselves.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:We do, we just have to pick up our pay stubs in person. Because mailing them would cost money. The horror. Christ. Plenty of places in the UK just BACS pay straight into your account then email you the breakdown slip.
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Earwicker posted:I really love finding out about major decisions that effect everyone at my workplace from the media before hearing it from the company's leadership themselves.  That is horrible!  How do they justify not telling employees about something major? Because it would affect business deals? That's the epitome of "gently caress You" from upper management.
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It's a bit of a complicated situation because I work for a company which is a business unit in a much larger corporation, and the decision in question was made at a level above our own president (though our president and certainly some others in our senior management were aware it for the last few weeks) and the story in the news cited an anonymous source - so our management said that we found out from the media first and not them because they were pre-empted by someone talking to the media - even though they could have told us for weeks. They also could have made the decision in such a way that it wouldn't have been a media story at all. It doesn't affect me personally as much as it does some other departments but it's still a really lovely situation and everyone is kind of freaking out.
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