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notaspy posted:Are the growls wet or the leopards? I just looked up how many times Abnett mentions leopards to describe Space Wolves, and the answer is 19 times. I also noticed that I misremembered how he hyphenated that abominable phrase; it's actually wet leopard-growl, so it's definitely the growls that are wet. Not that that clears anything up, really.
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Bob Quixote posted:Has anyone here read/listened-to The Wraithbone Phoenix? A drat fine caper that has more gravitas than a Ciaphas Cain book.
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Sephyr posted:The firt three (Horus Rising, False God, Galaxy in Flames) for the inciting incident. I’d also add Fulgrim to the list for the final battle. Dunno about Legion: it’s good but not very relevant.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I’d also add Fulgrim to the list for the final battle. Dunno about Legion: it’s good but not very relevant. Abnett is writing the last two (!) books so I'm sure we'll be getting a lot of Perpetual stuff in the climax, which makes Legion and Know No Fear nice to have read beforehand.
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Deptfordx posted:Assassin civil war, also a great idea. They really fumbled that one.
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Sep 10, 2022 11:17
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Yo Echoes of Eternity fuckin owned bones, easily the best Siege book. Holy gently caress. Guilliman's message at the end, god drat.
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Arkhan Land talking poo poo about Space Marines was hilarious. "Of course you Know No Fear, you have nothing to lose."
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Syncopated posted:Abnett is writing the last two (!) books so I'm sure we'll be getting a lot of Perpetual stuff in the climax, which makes Legion and Know No Fear nice to have read beforehand. Yup, this is why I added it. Lots of Perpetual stuff (ugh) in the Siege series and it has to headed somewhere...right?
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Biplane posted:Yo Echoes of Eternity fuckin owned bones, easily the best Siege book. Holy gently caress. Guilliman's message at the end, god drat. It's really good. Quick spoiler for Dawn of Fire and Plague War series: Guilliman is coming to terms with it in the new setting, but EoE made me realize how much poo poo the other primarchs on Terra have gone through and how Guilliman simply can't relate to it at all. Sanguinius and Vulkan especially are coming to terms with what they really are (warp juiced super demons in a thin veneer of humanity) and they're all so far along the lines of thought of what the warp really is and how it interacts with reality. Meanwhile Guilliman wakes up in a post heresy world and he's still thinking in terms of the Imperial Truth and still doesn't really get that his dad is actually a god at this point.
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Plucky Brit posted:Arkhan Land talking poo poo about Space Marines was hilarious. "Of course you Know No Fear, you have nothing to lose." The next time someone jacks off about Marines they should be read the Arkhan Land speech for context.
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Z the IVth posted:The next time someone jacks off about Marines they should be read the Arkhan Land speech for context. Yup. Really, only a lovely universe of Only War like 40k would have astartes as anything remotely inspiring or desireable. ...even if it's still a bit hilarious how the official line is "nonono, they are ALL grim despotic villains, you're not supposed to look up to ANY of them!" whenever mega-chuds use 40K stuff as a positive example for their fascist ideas, while lionizing Space Marines reletlessly in art and themes.
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Sephyr posted:Yup. Really, only a lovely universe of Only War like 40k would have astartes as anything remotely inspiring or desireable. Halo is all over the drat place in this regard.
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Demiurge4 posted:It's really good. Quick spoiler for Dawn of Fire and Plague War series: I think he is coming around to the whole "the emperor is god" thing, though Bob is also pretty clear that he doesn't consider big e his father. Vulkan has been treated like the Miles O'Brian of the primarchs and it is a little tiresome.
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FPyat posted:Halo is all over the drat place in this regard. Very much so. The lore is pretty blatant in going 'Hey, the SPARTANS are basically force multipliers for colonial tyranny, ONI is creepy as gently caress!", but the games are all "Hells YEAH! Finish the fight! I would blow up New Mombasa twice over if it means more cool Spartans!" It's kind of unavoidable. The setting has to be engaging and fun. Maybe someday someone will make a hit game about spending 90% of the time in a bunker getting trenchfoot/eating lovely food, then going over the wire to get merked by artillery without ever seeing an enemy, but I'm not counting on it.
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Lol the tone disconnect between the Halo games (shoot funny aliens into giblets, hooah, kick rear end take names and win the day hero) and Halo lore (kidnap children to brainwash and put through genetic experiments, use those child soldiers to suppress anti-colonial movements, a military junta usurps the government during a space genocide war with aliens) is insane
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Sephyr posted:Maybe someday someone will make a hit game about spending 90% of the time in a bunker getting trenchfoot/eating lovely food, then going over the wire to get merked by artillery without ever seeing an enemy, but I'm not counting on it. The intro level of Battlefield 1 actually did that quite effectively - you die several dozen times in the course of a few minutes.
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Foxhole is nothing but that. It's amazing.
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DaysBefore posted:Lol the tone disconnect between the Halo games (shoot funny aliens into giblets, hooah, kick rear end take names and win the day hero) and Halo lore (kidnap children to brainwash and put through genetic experiments, use those child soldiers to suppress anti-colonial movements, a military junta usurps the government during a space genocide war with aliens) is insane The recent TV show which was called "inaccurate" by many fans actually showed that they're a bunch of mindwiped child soldiers committing atrocities on behalf of a military junta. Oh also the Chief has sex which was controversial.
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DaysBefore posted:Lol the tone disconnect between the Halo games (shoot funny aliens into giblets, hooah, kick rear end take names and win the day hero) and Halo lore (kidnap children to brainwash and put through genetic experiments, use those child soldiers to suppress anti-colonial movements, a military junta usurps the government during a space genocide war with aliens) is insane It owns
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Here's a good video that rates the Horus Heresy novels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1m8gmu3Nyc There is a list summary below in the comments if you don't want to click through the video.
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I have a question re: Night Lord trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. What exactly makes it less accessible as a series? I haven’t read a huge amount of 40k, but enough for the feel and general understanding. I’ve read all the Eisenhorn books, all the Ravenor ones, the Armageddon series (Grimaldus), and the first couple of the Horus Heresy. Is there something I should read before dipping into Night Lord trilogy to give me sufficient background or context?
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rufius posted:I have a question re: Night Lord trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. What exactly makes it less accessible as a series? You're probably fine to jump in on the back of those. It's less accessible in that it expects you to A. Know what Space Marines are and B. Have some small knowledge of the Heresy to give the characters context, as they don't go into detail about it in the books. Unlike Eisenhorn which really requires no prior knowledge, it explains itself to you as it goes along.
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You should also remember/know that time passes differently in the Eye, so even though its 10,000 years later, these characters are relatively young and still carry the same grievances from the earlier times.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/11/sunday-preview-the-leagues-of-votann-are-on-their-way/ For those who have been hungering for some Warhammer crime books; The Vorbis Conspiracy goes up for pre-order next weekend. And anniversary edition of Nightbringer. Must be like its third or even fourth reprint by now.
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rufius posted:I have a question re: Night Lord trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. What exactly makes it less accessible as a series? You can read it whenever but I think people say to wait if you're unfamiliar with 40k or the Heresy bc the background knowledge of the lore makes the reading experience much more enjoyable and epic not that it isn't already. It's like have a glass of wine before it properly airs you could say🤣
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rufius posted:I have a question re: Night Lord trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. What exactly makes it less accessible as a series? You have more than enough of a toe in the lore to enjoy the Night Lords trilogy. Go ahead!
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If you have any idea what space marines and chaos and the Imperium are then the Night Lords books are plenty accessible, it'll just be a lot if you're going into it without any prior exposure to the setting.
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IllustriousChen posted:Here's a good video that rates the Horus Heresy novels. That's a very decent summary of the series. I'm glad I'm not alone in just shaking my head at how 'Mortis' turned out. Even allowing for how hard it is to make a series of predestined events seem fresh and interesting, that book is such a hot mess. I remember first reading up on the Siege of terra when I first got into 40k and how Dies Irae was the Imperator that finally breached the main palace in a colossal battle, but in this book that is a jumbled, anticlimactic slog. The Perpetual bullshit is honestly the best part of the book, and I -hate- that plotline, which goes a long way to show how much it doesn't gel for me.
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John Grammaticus is the worst part of the entire 60+ books double-series. (I don't know if he's in Mortis, it's just what "perpetuals" made me think of)
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Count Thrashula posted:John Grammaticus is the worst part of the entire 60+ books double-series. Well bad news but my dad works at Games Workshop and he says after the Vengeful Spirit Showdown, where John Grammaticus kills Black Rage Sanguinius and Ascended Horus at the same time, saving the Emperor, he changes his name to Gregor Eisenhorn, and then Ollanius Pius changes his name to Ibram Gaunt.
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I think the worst Perpetual in the series is the edgy dude who is strongly implied to have shot Reverend King Jr. which uh
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I just want to pick up a cheap paperback copy of Echoes of Eternity and read trashy space mans fiction but GW have no interest in letting me do that,so I might take to the high seas
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Someone has been putting up audio book chapters of Echoes of Eternity on youtube. Jonathan Keeble nailing it as usual.
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Also the book has been out for what, a week? Paperback is a while away.
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DaysBefore posted:I think the worst Perpetual in the series is the edgy dude who is strongly implied to have shot Reverend King Jr. which uh
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Plucky Brit posted:It could have been Bobby Kennedy. … unless he was a Perpetual all along. 
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And here was me thinking Abnett had made something at least slightly ambiguous.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I just want to pick up a cheap paperback copy of Echoes of Eternity and read trashy space mans fiction but GW have no interest in letting me do that,so I might take to the high seas Someone should give this Culture Ship the link. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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It's easier and cheaper to get actually hard to print books like House of Leaves than a new warhammer book.
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DaysBefore posted:I think the worst Perpetual in the series is the edgy dude who is strongly implied to have shot Reverend King Jr. which uh That's the smoking man from X-Files
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