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Hollismason posted:My issue is that the solution of Medicare for all may actually fail as a system. Personally I am in favor of a Universal Healthcare system, but it means that EVERYONE has to be on it for it to work. Every time I've seen the numbers run, it works out very well, at least on paper. The biggest problems are that 1) Yes, taxes would go up (but not more than the rich can afford), and 2) Most of the cost savings would come by firing a shitload of insurance workers who would then be jobless, so, yeah, that's a problem edit: 
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Jaxyon posted:Get mad all you want, your argument has been confusing and pointless and you just admitted you were arguing against a strawman of people's reactions, so congrats on taking the time to phone post something that added nothing of value. I responded to a guy who thanked my response, even if he doesn't agree, this is you completely misinterpreting the posts and then posting snarky responses... and then move the goal posts when called on it. E: VVV 
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If you're going to continue talking about healthcare reform in the BAD TORMP DUMNB thread at least post a friendly doggo.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every time I've seen the numbers run, it works out very well, at least on paper. The 2nd one I think could be alleviated I think with having private insurance companies become simply processors of information. It'd be the largest private governmental I guess contract, but uh it'd make it so that 'd alleviate some of the issue. However, that doesn't help that much.
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Hollismason posted:The 2nd one I think could be alleviated I think with having private insurance companies become simply processors of information. It'd be the largest private governmental I guess contract, but uh it'd make it so that 'd alleviate some of the issue. However, that doesn't help that much. They actually already do this, and as I've mentioned before, the fight for these markets represent big strategic pushes for the top insurers.
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Love having a free press! https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/877711866415403008
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Boon posted:I responded to a guy who thanked my response, even if he doesn't agree, this is you completely misinterpreting the posts and then posting snarky responses... and then move the goal posts when called on it. I'm responding to your post where you talked about how the US and the NHS ration differently and act as if that's going to be a big stumbling block in a country where people literally can't afford basic care. 
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Has anyone proposed just making Medicare an option as part of the exchanges? It seems like it would give a viable insurer to those areas of the country that don't have any others and force insurance companies to be competitive in price elsewhere. Then at some point down the road if you have 60%+ of folks using Medicare you use that as justification to head towards single payer. I mean, not in THIS Congress, but somewhere down the line...
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Hollismason posted:Medicare is not a self sustaining system. We all contribute to Medicare. We're suppose to get Medicare when we become eligible and the generation before us pays for it. That's the cycle. The rich buying robot guards is the end game of automating everything. No workers means no funding Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. 
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Glass of Milk posted:Has anyone proposed just making Medicare an option as part of the exchanges? It seems like it would give a viable insurer to those areas of the country that don't have any others and force insurance companies to be competitive in price elsewhere. Then at some point down the road if you have 60%+ of folks using Medicare you use that as justification to head towards single payer. They they talked about this when they passed the ACA but motherfuckin' Joe god drat piece of poo poo Lieberman caused it to go away. 
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Yeah we need Democrats like Lieberman out.
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I think AHCA is good because Medicaid getting gradually phased out means Blue states have time to phase in single-payer plans and Red states will see a significant portion of their populous die Everybody wins
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https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/877710886474887169quote:President Trump in a rally on Wednesday evening said immigrants who enter the United States should not be eligible for welfare benefits for five years, though such a law has already existed for 20 years His staff probably convinced him that this is one way to be tough on immigrants, while making sure it won't be struck down by the courts.
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DrNutt posted:They they talked about this when they passed the ACA but motherfuckin' Joe god drat piece of poo poo Lieberman caused it to go away. full medicare expansion was only on the table depending on who you believe. what joe lieberman did was torpedo as the last moment opening up medicare for 55+. This would have had the double effect of taking those people out of the general pool and getting more people tied into medicare, which is good because medicare is cool and good. Then joe lieberman........
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EugeneJ posted:I think AHCA is good because Medicaid getting gradually phased out means Blue states have time to phase in single-payer plans and Red states will see a significant portion of their populous die With luck they'll abolish Medicare too, we'll have plenty of time to put it back after the baby boomers commit suicide by vote
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EugeneJ posted:I think AHCA is good because Medicaid getting gradually phased out means Blue states have time to phase in single-payer plans and Red states will see a significant portion of their populous die single payer plans cannot work in states because the inherent volatility of health care prices, plus their general trend upwards, makes them very difficult for states with fixed budgets. This is why it failed in vermont. Of course this isn't a problem at the federal level. You either need to a.) mandate everyone buys in to it which makes it politically untenable or b.) have a system set up where the federal government subsidizes your overruns. Also you'd need it be specifically for medical expenses so unscrupulous governors couldn't use it to their own devices like states do now with medicaid.
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/877710886474887169 What's his actual quote? Some of the comments are saying that Trump only said the law should be "enforced", not "enacted", or whatever.
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trump is so ahead of everyone else in this 11-dimensional chess game he got his own legislation passed 20 years before he was president!!
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I want everyone who thinks politicians have a shelf life to say three words for me: Effff. Deeee. Arrre.
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Data Graham posted:What's his actual quote? Some of the comments are saying that Trump only said the law should be "enforced", not "enacted", or whatever. quote:
We're gonna make new laws that say we have to enforce our laws that we're already enforcing! That'll show em how tough we are!
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/877710886474887169 All of your favorite garbage laws from the 90s... signed into law again!
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/877710886474887169 This is the best kind of law Trump could propose.
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Data Graham posted:What's his actual quote? Some of the comments are saying that Trump only said the law should be "enforced", not "enacted", or whatever. quote:“The time has come for new immigration rules which say that those seeking admission into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years,” Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa at the U.S. Cellular Center.
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Well if that's any indication Trump will in a few months suggest us to pass Obamacare
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Hey, he's started making promises he can keep Next he'll promise that the Vietnam War will be only a memory
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Elotana posted:You think the "Republican hate machine" wasn't running until 2009? How old are you? Things got noticeably worse after America had the gall to elect a colored person
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hey, he's started making promises he can keep Im convinced that he will actually take credit for this
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I think this may have been missed amongst the sad-braining this morning, but here's a good article, kind of overview of Bayrock and Sater. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-21/trump-russia-and-those-shadowy-sater-deals-at-bayrock
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Unoriginal Name posted:I want everyone who thinks politicians have a shelf life to say three words for me:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hey, he's started making promises he can keep Not sure how long he'll be able to keep that promise
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In a startling role reversal the Trump Administration admonished the separatists states and not only said would do what it took to put down the rebellious army ,but to also issue a proclamation saying all are free in the United States from the bonds of slavery.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I know when I try to consider what makes young folks excited to vote, the first thing I think of is a woman in her 70s who last delivered something concrete when they were 12. Yeah you don't know poo poo about young voters, who idolize Maxine Waters and Betty White.
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Javes posted:Love having a free press! I'm wondering how they expect to enforce that. What's to stop a reporter from hiding a microcassette recorder in their pocket and sneaking it into the briefing? And what would they do if they did find recoding equipment; send someone to bed without supper?
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Lemming posted:Not sure how long he'll be able to keep that promise Oh there is a reason I didn't say Korean
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh there is a reason I didn't say Korean Trump's got dementia
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I'm wondering how they expect to enforce that. What's to stop a reporter from hiding a microcassette recorder in their pocket and sneaking it into the briefing? And what would they do if they did find recoding equipment; send someone to bed without supper? Check them for security reasons and then ban them?
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Lemming posted:Trump's got dementia Still technically someone's memory! Just not his, not so much
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Mustached Demon posted:Check them for security reasons and then ban them? Could be a bomb, probably a terrist
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