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| #SoulSurfers |
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8 | 15.09% |
| #TeamNashville |
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1 | 1.89% |
| #TheWrestlers |
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9 | 16.98% |
| #TheDatingCouple |
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1 | 1.89% |
| #TheCyclists |
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2 | 3.77% |
| #MiamiRealtors |
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1 | 1.89% |
| #MomDaughter |
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3 | 5.66% |
| #TheFirefighters |
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6 | 11.32% |
| #SweetScientists |
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9 | 16.98% |
| #CollegeSweethearts |
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5 | 9.43% |
| #TheDentists |
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8 | 15.09% |
| Total: | 53 votes | ||
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they probably regreased the pole off camera but if not you could eventually get it pretty clean
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Nov 23, 2014 03:13
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The part in the preview with Jim on the high-wire looked terrifying. 
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Nov 23, 2014 04:02
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Jubs posted:Was the flag detour the most challenging task in Amazing Race history? I got the feeling they went to that one first and it just wasn't shown
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Nov 23, 2014 04:24
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thexerox123 posted:The part in the preview with Jim on the high-wire looked terrifying. That's a serious high angle rescue right there. I wouldn't be surprised that they have to lower him to the ground. I can't wait to see what really happens there.
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Nov 23, 2014 05:15
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macnbc posted:I thought it was Leg 9 was last chance, so leg after next. This was leg eight.
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Nov 23, 2014 12:28
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Brooke made me love her a little bit with how much joy she took in destroying the other racers in that go kart task, but this episode she made me hate her by just being so sour and negative about other teams doing well. I had to laugh a bit when she was expressing her amazement at Bethany kicking rear end swimming in and out of the grotto. Um, the girl has only spent pretty much her whole life in the ocean. That "save" thing is the worst though, it serves only to sap a significant amount of drama out of the show, especially when held by one of the strongest teams.
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Nov 23, 2014 14:30
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Zwabu posted:That "save" thing is the worst though, it serves only to sap a significant amount of drama out of the show, especially when held by one of the strongest teams. Yeah no kidding, it's ridiculously overpowered and directly contributes to how often they've won because they are able to take risks that may or may not pay off with no fear of elimination. How the gently caress the Amazing Race producers watched Survivor and saw the TP idol and thought "hey! that looks like a good idea!" is beyond me. At the very least, they should be asked if they want to use it before they are told what position they are in and if they use it it's gone regardless of place. What's amusing though is that the dentists claim to be the strongest racers ever is impossible to achieve, because there's always going to be an asterisk next to their record.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:40
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Do we know what the highest number or percent of first places was ever won by a winning team? I'd assume that would be the measure of "strongest team ever" on the race. I'm pretty sure there would be at least one or two teams that won a lot of first places and never came in last and had to be bailed out by nonelimination etc. but I'm not entirely certain of that.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:46
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Shakugan posted:What's amusing though is that the dentists claim to be the strongest racers ever is impossible to achieve, because there's always going to be an asterisk next to their record. I'd argue that the asterisk doesn't apply unless they actually use the save. Either way I'm pretty sure there've been teams who've made first more often than they have.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:47
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macnbc posted:I'd argue that the asterisk doesn't apply unless they actually use the save. It applies because the stress of potentially being eliminated makes a huge difference to how well racers perform in tasks. They have no fear of being eliminated, and so they don't have the stress that every other race team ever has had to deal with. The safe allows them to be far more calm when racing than they otherwise would be and so it affects their performance in a positive way even if it goes unused.
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Nov 23, 2014 16:52
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Is it just me or is there a lot more detour task swapping this season? Seems like people just can't stick with a task.
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Nov 23, 2014 16:56
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You might as well stick an asterisk next to every record, the rules change so much from year to year. In fact I remember having this exact discussion earlier in this thread.Tortolia posted:Is it just me or is there a lot more detour task swapping this season? Seems like people just can't stick with a task. To be fair that greased pole looked impossible, and I'm not even sure we got a shot of one of the locals successfully grabbing one of the far flags?
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Nov 23, 2014 17:08
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pokeyman posted:You might as well stick an asterisk next to every record, the rules change so much from year to year. In fact I remember having this exact discussion earlier in this thread. I think when talking about strongest teams there's "benefited slightly from a rule change" and then there is "had item that makes it nigh impossible to get eliminated."
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Nov 23, 2014 17:16
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pokeyman posted:You might as well stick an asterisk next to every record, the rules change so much from year to year. In fact I remember having this exact discussion earlier in this thread. There were multiple shots of them grabbing the flags at the end, mostly diving jumps for them which seemed to be the way to do it.
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Nov 23, 2014 17:42
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Zwabu posted:Do we know what the highest number or percent of first places was ever won by a winning team? I'd assume that would be the measure of "strongest team ever" on the race. It was the helicopter pilot guy from a couple seasons back, wasn't it?
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Nov 23, 2014 17:46
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njsykora posted:There were multiple shots of them grabbing the flags at the end, mostly diving jumps for them which seemed to be the way to do it. Ok good, I couldn't remember seeing any. I wanted to see someone just slide on their feet instead of running once they got to the greased part. Like sliding in socks on a hardwood floor.
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Nov 23, 2014 18:34
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I feel like if the teams had stuck it out some of them would have grabbed the red flag. It would have taken getting comfortable on the pole and timing a jump right but the Cyclists, Wrestlers, Dentists, and Surfers seem athletic enough that they might have been able to pull it off. But having the option to switch to a much easier task that doesn't have a huge injury risk is a joke brainer. I like the Wrestlers but Brooke is pretty ridiculous at quickly she gives up on something and complains. Robbie seemed like he was getting frustrated and quitting that Shine task was just ridiculous. If anyone should have excelled in a challenge that seemed to be purely about elbow grease it should have been the wrestlers. Brooke just seemed so defeated and demoralized that she was looking to lose from the start. There's definitely an argument that the free pass gives the Dentists a psychological advantage and I think Brooke is kind of a good example of that. Teh Dentists really couldn't get that low because they know they're not being eliminated. And I really think Brooke was defeating herself in that one because she just got so psyched out. The arbitrary nature of start times is something I don't think I'll get used to. The way the Wrestlers lost a huge lead at the start and the Scientists were way behind and yet none of it mattered because they all got on the same boat. I guess it's just part of the game just like "can't find a cab" is but it's odd.
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Nov 23, 2014 21:22
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STAC Goat posted:The arbitrary nature of start times is something I don't think I'll get used to. The way the Wrestlers lost a huge lead at the start and the Scientists were way behind and yet none of it mattered because they all got on the same boat. I guess it's just part of the game just like "can't find a cab" is but it's odd. "Can't find a cab" is something the producers can't control. Having a bullshit bunchup after a task that teams actually took really varied amounts of time to finish? That's something they can control. If they ever bunch up teams like that, it should be at the very beginning of a leg, not after a task on that leg.
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Nov 23, 2014 21:30
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Really it's the Wrestlers' fault for not telling their cab driver to wait.
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Nov 23, 2014 21:41
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Shakugan posted:I think when talking about strongest teams there's "benefited slightly from a rule change" and then there is "had item that makes it nigh impossible to get eliminated." The Dentists did benefit slightly from a rule change. Other teams have been saved from elimination twice in one season by landing in last place on two separate non-elim legs, or by landing last on a non-elim and on a continuation leg. There is precedent for benefiting from two non-eliminations, and they've already benefited from one. How is their elimination nigh-impossible, or any less likely than teams in previous seasons?
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Nov 24, 2014 23:49
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Tellah posted:The Dentists did benefit slightly from a rule change. Other teams have been saved from elimination twice in one season by landing in last place on two separate non-elim legs, or by landing last on a non-elim and on a continuation leg. Because it can be used whenever they happen to come last on a non-elimination leg rather than just getting lucky with non-elims? Because they know this is the case rather than hoping for a non-elim leg? They are completely different situations.
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Nov 25, 2014 00:01
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I don't know how anyone likes Brooke. She has whined about everything since the beginning, starting with their boat capsizing/sinking in the first episode. Then she proceeds to insult or make fun of people for a)limping, b)old man driving, c)people speaking their native language. As for bunching, I've accepted it as a necessary evil in the game to keep it somewhat competitive for everyone. However, like someone else said, it should be at the beginning, not after a fairly difficult task that did what it was designed to do in separating the teams. All of that was wiped out by bunching at the next part.
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Nov 25, 2014 06:17
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I think one of the problems with the flags is everyone went for the easy one first. Should have taken turns going for the harder one. Then let the worse person get the easy one
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Nov 28, 2014 23:35
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It's been said earlier, but it's not really worth even trying that log challenge. It'd be so easy to injure yourself falling off that log, and then you're hosed for the rest of the race ala Team Achilles.
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Nov 29, 2014 00:21
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That was the best Fast Forward in a while. Is your back supposed to be that red after that massage? 
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Nov 29, 2014 02:37
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I lost track of time and just tuned in. I guess they finally got people to do the cupping after everyone skipping it in past seasons?
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Nov 29, 2014 02:39
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Ok, you make a deal with a team that they would U-turn a team but then you find out they didn't. So why would you not check to make sure they weren't lying to you again when they said that was the wrong place?
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Nov 29, 2014 02:50
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Dammit, I was really hoping the cyclists would pull it out in the end. 
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Nov 29, 2014 03:00
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Yeah, I kind of have to blame the Scientists for being foolish enough to trust the Wrestlers. Between the UTurn fiasco and the way the Scientists kind of brushed off the Wrestlers when they asked for help it seemed odd. Either trust them or don't trust them but half way don't work. Sorry to see the Cyclists go. I liked them but they did it to themselves. It's kind of odd that they dug a hole for themselves by being antisocial and ending up having everyone else allied against them, then they all were a mess bailing them out, and then they just got kind of cocky and screwed themselves. I think the reason I dislike the Dentists is that every episode has that moment at the beginning where they say "we know we can't go home today." Knowing that next week won't have that moment is a bit of a relief even if it's so late in the game.
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Nov 29, 2014 03:41
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It's another reason why the save was such bullshit; no team would ever double u-turn a team that can't be eliminated for fear of future retribution. I was kind of surprised that the cyclists ended up being antisocial, given that they seemed to be the ones having fun etc. I mean, it's kind of strange in retrospect that they were calling the dentists "team no fun" when they themselves refused to socialise. Maintaining some semblance of civility is a typical part of race strategy (until U-turns are over at least). The fast forward not being a walk in the park was nice, though I think it's kind of ridiculous to having a surfing fast forward when there is a team that people literally refer to as "the surfers". Some tasks obviously beneficial to some teams over others, but this was a little on the nose.
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Nov 29, 2014 06:01
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As suspicious as it seems, I wouldn't say it's rigged. The route and tasks are laid out well before the teams are cast.
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Nov 29, 2014 08:22
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I don't think the save is that much of a problem. First of all, it's established Race formula by now that you can win something race changing in the first leg. From the fast forward (single) to the double fast forward which made all the other teams your bitch for the first 5 legs, to the chance to win double price money and now the fast now the save. As for the strenght of the save, I'm not entirely conviced that it's that much stronger than the double fast forward they handed out the last few seasons. While the save act's as safety net, it does not help you get out of last place, especially if the following leg does not have a strong equalizer (even if there is a flight equalizer in most cases there is a "good flight" and a "bad flight"). The Fast Forward on the other hand gives you a very good shot at a first place finish and you can leverage the second one to built an alliance. If you take into account the strength of the team, it looks to me like the save is much stronger if held by a strong team, because it could potentially save them from the one mistake that would otherwise cost them the race, while a weaker team benefits more from the fast forward as it gives them a first place (maybe even too, depending on the following leg), so they might win some prizes. Suggesting that the Dentist's records deserve an asterisk because they had the save is stupid. The Race changes every season and the best team is the one that uses them to their advantage.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:42
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I honestly don't have a problem with the Save as a concept, I just dislike it as a passive thing. Ask them if they want to play it as soon as they hit the mat every leg, and make them gamble on their placement/whether it's a non-elim leg, that sort of thing. The Express Pass is a race-changing asset, but it still has to be used intelligently (looking at you, John and Jessica). Even the bonus Express Pass requires strategy in deciding who to give it to and when. The way the Save is set up, it's just an extra life, requiring no strategy or even conscious thought. I might feel differently if it had been relevant at all outside of a non-elim leg (honestly, the worst-case scenario for it in its first season), but as it stands it's one of the bigger duds I can think of in my time watching.
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Nov 29, 2014 09:54
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Am I the only one who thought this leg was really badly designed? A roadblock that can only be done one at a time followed by a U-turn detour where one side amounts to 'wait X minutes to complete'. Apart from the clue hunt at the end there were essentially no opportunities for people to pass each other or teams to make up ground.
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Nov 29, 2014 11:20
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Rarity posted:Am I the only one who thought this leg was really badly designed? A roadblock that can only be done one at a time followed by a U-turn detour where one side amounts to 'wait X minutes to complete'. Apart from the clue hunt at the end there were essentially no opportunities for people to pass each other or teams to make up ground. It was pretty poor, though I'd assume the idea was that a fast team could've blasted through the crab stuff or that some people would've quit the massage to find themselves U-Turned. There only being one wire at the road block was really stupid though. Just feels like the producers had a plan for how the leg would be run, but none of that actually happened. Though the fast forward made up for some of that.
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Nov 29, 2014 12:17
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Sad to see the Cyclists go. Brooke was particularly unlikable today. The massage was hilarious. I've had cupping done before and the only downside was deep purple bruises for a fortnight.
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Nov 29, 2014 13:58
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Rarity posted:Am I the only one who thought this leg was really badly designed? A roadblock that can only be done one at a time followed by a U-turn detour where one side amounts to 'wait X minutes to complete'. Apart from the clue hunt at the end there were essentially no opportunities for people to pass each other or teams to make up ground. I don't see it this way at all. The teams that started as 1, 2 were 4, 5 at one point of time and finished 1, 3 while the eliminated team went from 3rd to 1st to last. There were a lot of opportunities to pass each other: -flight selection, with the "recommended" flight being 40min later than the first flight -footrace & empty the drink as fast as possible for the first clue in Singapore -The roadblock which meant you are going first to last of the group remaining if you fall down. We did not see a lot of this because all teams (except Dentist) had the ideal competitor for this type of challenge - a young, slim female. Imagine the Boston Firefighters on that task. - The roadblock which was either a fixed amount of time (massage) or something that could be done quicker. We did not see how this played out because all the bunched up teams went for the massage. I doubt the producers expected anyone to quit at this point (final 5), but they probably looked forward to some footage of people screaming/being near tears - a double u-turn - Find the clue at the end with multiple possible locations - A fast foward that required a good portion of skill and was far enough from the rest of the tasks to make you really pay if you tried it and failed or somebody else completed before you. We saw this in the episode.
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Nov 29, 2014 16:06
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The only reason placements from the start of the leg to the end changed were the flights and two teams competing for the fast forward. The flights really were the biggest reason for placement switching, since the fast forward probably would have been won by the first team there except for one team doing it for a living. Watching people in pain was kind of funny, as was the wrestlers being stupid enough not to actually u-turn the cyclists and walking past the clue guy. And the scientists being naive enough to trust the wrestlers.
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Nov 29, 2014 16:21
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Brooke is extremely unlikeable, bit also a pretty great entertainer. She's the friend who is going to be a ton of fun to hang out with, and you are 100% sure that she talks bad about you behind your back.
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Nov 30, 2014 03:45
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The save+fast forward completely ruined any chance of the double u-turn being interesting. It has protected the strongest team from being u-turned, and ensured they couldn't be eliminated, it needs to never come back.
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