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Funny enough, I started 6 the same day that 7 apparently released in Japan on consoles. I had no idea 7 was announced since NIS is in the poor house, literally. Anyway, 6 on Steams' completion stats start to collapse around Chapter 3, which is kind of insane. I'm at Chapter 7 now but the folks beating that is like 43% of owners, which seems crazy for what is part-1 of 2 of 10 chapters. Is 6 REALLY that much of a turn-off for folks? Like, yeah: The cap going from 9,999 levels to 99,999,999 and giving out levels like candy is a little weird, but given the inflated cap, it's no wonder you're going to level pretty fast.
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AnonymouseNo5 posted:Anyway, 6 on Steams' completion stats start to collapse around Chapter 3, which is kind of insane. I'm at Chapter 7 now but the folks beating that is like 43% of owners, which seems crazy for what is part-1 of 2 of 10 chapters. Is 6 REALLY that much of a turn-off for folks? Mate this happens with literally every game. You can go and look at D5's story cheevo percentages and see that like 20% of people get to the back part of the story there.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Mate this happens with literally every game. You can go and look at D5's story cheevo percentages and see that like 20% of people get to the back part of the story there. I am the king of getting 80% into a game then forgetting to finish it because a new game caught my attention. Though oddly I have finished every Disgaea game except 6.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Mate this happens with literally every game. You can go and look at D5's story cheevo percentages and see that like 20% of people get to the back part of the story there. I dunno. To me Disgaea's campaign/story mode is pretty easy to beat with minimal grinding. I don't know why people would suddenly drop it so fast.
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Jan 29, 2023 04:59
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AnonymouseNo5 posted:I dunno. To me Disgaea's campaign/story mode is pretty easy to beat with minimal grinding. I don't know why people would suddenly drop it so fast. It's not just Disgaea games. Plenty of other games have similar completion statistics.
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Jan 29, 2023 05:02
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A year or so after playing it, I cannot remember any characters besides the king. 6 definitely had problems
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Jan 29, 2023 05:23
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Yeah like if game completion had anything to do with game quality then GTA is the worst game in the world
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Jan 29, 2023 05:53
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Big Steam sales leading to people picking up like 20 games they're not gonna play for 50$ also doesn't help things as they pick up and take a bite out of every game and then put them down.
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Jan 29, 2023 06:01
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Well, I have beaten Disgaea 7. Ultimately I ended up just funneling all my experience into C4 (Sheefore? Dunno how they're gonna localize that but she loves explosives so it's obviously meant to be a pun on C4) because she has a passive 50% chance to steal items on attack which is amazing for getting equipment items. Although there's another character you get somewhat later who is literally designed to be a one-woman army, so... Anyway, despite all that, a lot of the later stages seem designed specifically to discourage this sort of gameplay, with like Geo Panels you need to kill to even be able to hurt the boss spread out in the 4 distant corners of the map, or a boss that inflicts unavoidable super-stun on anyone he hits with his specials, making it literally impossible to solo him unless you can kill him in one hit, I guess.
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Clarste posted:Well, I have beaten Disgaea 7. Ultimately I ended up just funneling all my experience into C4 (Sheefore? Dunno how they're gonna localize that but she loves explosives so it's obviously meant to be a pun on C4) because she has a passive 50% chance to steal items on attack which is amazing for getting equipment items. Although there's another character you get somewhat later who is literally designed to be a one-woman army, so... Anyway, despite all that, a lot of the later stages seem designed specifically to discourage this sort of gameplay, with like Geo Panels you need to kill to even be able to hurt the boss spread out in the 4 distant corners of the map, or a boss that inflicts unavoidable super-stun on anyone he hits with his specials, making it literally impossible to solo him unless you can kill him in one hit, I guess. I always hate that about some of the single player stories for Disgaea. They have a few maps each usually that are more like puzzles. Disgaea 6 had annoying stuff like this, and Disgaea 3 was the worst about it.
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At least you can use Dodekamax mode to cheese any geo-panel puzzle with infinite range attacks. Speaking of which, after playing the whole game (the story and immediate postgame, anyway), I've determined that outside of special boss encounters, the enemy will almost never use Dodekamax unless you do first, and when they do they will almost always attack your giant person instead of the squishies on the field. So that's nice of them, I guess.
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Well, that's just classic giant monster logic. The enemy calls a giant? Call your own.
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No one asked but I want to talk about Higan because she's funny. I won't talk about any plot spoilers, but I'll put it in spoiler tags in case people want to go into the game blind. Plot-wise, Higan is the undisputed strongest person in the world. This is just common knowledge. She joins at level 40 when the rest of your team is around level 20, and comes with 50 ranks of sword mastery. However, her unique evility prevents her from equipping swords and lowers all her stats by 25%, because she's holding back lol. When she gets her designated plot upgrade later, she unlocks the ability to use swords, but you probably won't want to because it also gives her +2 range (making them the same as bows) and +5 counter when using a spear. Basically the idea is that she wades into battle and counters to death anyone who looks at her funny. To help with this, her personal evilities are stuff like "+50% to all stats when there are no other allies on the field" and "when equipping no armor, gain 3x the stats from your weapon" which of course turns into plenty of DEF when you're using a spear. Also the classic "unliftable, but +50% defense." Also also, her personal super mode (all the main characters get unique super modes like in Disgaea 5) charges up from taking hits, and when active gives her 3 actions every turn. IMO this works especially well if you turn her into a giant at the same time, because punching three times is very funny. Anyway, she has a very funny kit. Clarste fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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Clarste posted:No one asked but I want to talk about Higan because she's funny. I won't talk about any plot spoilers, but I'll put it in spoiler tags in case people want to go into the game blind. lmao hell yeah I love her
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kirbysuperstar posted:lmao hell yeah I love her Actual plot spoilers: When you finally meet the final boss, she stops holding back and instantly kills him. And when it's revealed that he can revive himself infinitely, she just starts killing him over and over again, like every second. Clarste fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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AnonymouseNo5 posted:Funny enough, I started 6 the same day that 7 apparently released in Japan on consoles. I had no idea 7 was announced since NIS is in the poor house, literally. I think D4 has the biggest fall off in trackable achievements. It's first one, for starting a New Game, sits at 89%. The second one, for completing Episode 1, sits at 44%. But like other goons have said. People play games, but the majority don't finish games.
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Western release for 7 just got announced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLlk74apf2Q Fall 2023, Switch/PS4/PS5/PC release Giant characters being localized as "Jumbility" 
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Ryanbomber posted:Western release for 7 just got announced Oooh thank gently caress, I am so glad they are making the right choice this time.
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I'm glad I won't have to wait a year to play the game this time.
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Ryanbomber posted:Western release for 7 just got announced Wow, no "complete" edition in a year? NIS must be hurting bad, then. Edit: Ah, Disgaea's Wano arc. I guess Disgaea 8 will be "The End of AnonymouseNo5 fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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AnonymouseNo5 posted:Wow, no "complete" edition in a year? NIS must be hurting bad, then. They never announce the complete ahead of time. It just bundles all the DLC so it's really not that difficult to make later at this point either.
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pixaal posted:They never announce the complete ahead of time. It just bundles all the DLC so it's really not that difficult to make later at this point either. Oh, I know. I'm more surprised they're releasing on Steam day and date with consoles. They generally wait for "complete" before the PC port.
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Hm, they seem to be translating Fuji's catchphrase as "do your worst."
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Last chapter of the first part of 6. Nearly to the back half which apparently only has like 5 chapters before the "coda." o7 Doing 5 battles each chapter with reinforcements is wearing me out. I don't recall reinforcement panels and "oh, you think you're done? IT WAS ME,
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Well, I did it. I've beaten the postgame superboss of Disgaea 7. He had ridiculous stats, but I still killed him in one turn with a cheesy strategy. Which if you think about it, is the true Disgaea way of life.
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Baal? Valvolga? Zetta? Or someone else?
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Ah, it's sort of connected to the Disgaea 7 setting. It's the first Zesshousai (絶勝斎), which is the title Higan holds denoting the strongest person in Hinomoto. Apparently they all took over the Carnage Dimension after they died and became prinnies. You fight like 15 bosses in a row who are each a different Zesshousai with their own unique and gimmicky abilities. Like, one reverses all healing and damage on the map, another makes all the enemies revive when they die (once), another auto-kills anyone it attacks, etc. The First Zesshousai auto-kills all your deployed units if he kills anyone. Incidentally, Higan isn't her given name, it's just an honorary name she took when she became the Higan Zesshousai. The previous one was her master, the Rekka Zesshousai. So basically the premise of the postgame is that Higan is fighting every single previous Zesshousai one at a time to determine who is really the strongest of the strongest. Clarste fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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After messing around a bit with Item Reincarnation, I have determined it is bad and dumb. Here are some reasons.
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Feb 3, 2023 08:53
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Oh yeah, when I say it's random, it seems to be seeded in that you will get the same results if you load and try again.
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I got D7 on release but I haven't been able to play it yet because I'm still working through D5. As much as I'm enjoying it, I can see why they tried to scale things back a bit for D6 because the feature creep is real.
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I'm glad they got rid of the Chara World and you just buy those upgrades for mana at the dark council.
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Clarste posted:Well, I have beaten Disgaea 7. Ultimately I ended up just funneling all my experience into C4 (Sheefore? Dunno how they're gonna localize that but she loves explosives so it's obviously meant to be a pun on C4) because she has a passive 50% chance to steal items on attack which is amazing for getting equipment items. Is this affected by their level being lower than the enemy like with regular stealing? Because if not then that's pretty bonkers considering how annoying it is to try and grab high level IW gear at low levels normally. Clarste posted:No one asked but I want to talk about Higan because she's funny. I won't talk about any plot spoilers, but I'll put it in spoiler tags in case people want to go into the game blind.  Fall 2023 needs to get here so I can play this. Not surprised that Item Reincarnation is bad. There's no more Carnage -> Rakshasa difficulty crap too right?
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AnonymouseNo5 posted:Wow, no "complete" edition in a year? NIS must be hurting bad, then. As long as Disgaea RPG keeps going. I still play that stupid mobile game and have been playing it since the day it launched finally in America.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Is this affected by their level being lower than the enemy like with regular stealing? Because if not then that's pretty bonkers considering how annoying it is to try and grab high level IW gear at low levels normally. The exact wording is something like "On defeating an enemy, 50% chance to attempt to steal equipment." So I'd imagine it uses the normal hit formula? Just anecdotally I feel like it works half the time, like I was usually getting 4-6 items when killing the nine enemies in the designated endgame grinding stage. quote:Not surprised that Item Reincarnation is bad. There's no more Carnage -> Rakshasa difficulty crap too right? Not as far as I know.
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RillAkBea posted:I can see why they tried to scale things back a bit for D6 because the feature creep is real. Honestly? I wish they'd stop trying to reinvent the wheel and adding BIGGER NUMBERS™ to everything. I mean, I get it... It's a series staple. But it's getting as bad as Guilty Gear Xrd's multiple subsystems that most players probably aren't going to use. I'm on the last chapter in the back half of 6 now. 5 more battles. The previous chapter wasn't too bad: Only one reinforcement battle. If I have to see reinforcements again after this, it'll be too soon.
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Clarste posted:Not as far as I know. Good, that extra difficulty level was such a waste since there was no reason to bother with Carnage. Just keep power leveling a female mage until it (and its support) could kill the fights to unlock Rakshasa mode then do that stuff.
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Just started d6, first Disgaea game in a decade. Wasn't clicking at first, and I was kinda worried I wouldn't enjoy it like I did 3. The internet sure does seem to hate it. But after a little item wording and getting to episode 3, gotta say I'm digging it. One thing I'm noticing is gear upgrades are next to nothing in terms of improvement, is item world the only thing that makes gear relevant? Probably gonna full dive into it as soon as I beat the new fire emblem.
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Finished. I didn't mind the main story, but keeping Proper Laharl until end game while Titty Laharl is unlocked at the start left a sour-taste in my mouth. Also funny that Laharl and Zed both go "oh wait, you deal with this poo poo?" to each other about each of their party members because I kept thinking "this is just not-Laharl trying to be Laharl" throughout 6.
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Huh. Looks like NISA dropped the regular price for D6 down to $59.99 on Steam.
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