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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

ousire posted:

The average imperial citizen has no idea that Chaos even exists.
IIRC, this is much less of the case now, after the fall of Cadia and the creation of the Great Rift, when the Empire has been shattered in two by a massive chaos incursion even your average hivedweller working off fifth-hand information is probably capable of finding out at least generalities about the Great Enemy.

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Tombot
Oct 21, 2008
Whenever that assasin unit speaks, I keep expecting them to say "Quad damage" or "Quake three arena". Could it be the same voice actor?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

IMDB says that the Quake 3 Arena narrator was voiced by Christian Antkow, who was just someone working at id's sound department at the time, going by their other entries on there.

Meanwhile the Daemonhunters IMDB page lacks any info about who voices the Vindicare assassin. There are however some other character spoilers there so be careful if you want to check yourself.
And BTVA has nothing on the game at all.

Sooo... maybe? But I kinda doubt it.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Ice planet you may be looking for Valhalla. Known for being the home to the regiments that Caiphas Cain normally stuck to.

(basically they're space russians)

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

They are also very, very serious about making snowmen as I recall.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
And love drinking a tea that is best known as a very hard to acquire taste

Karazor
Jan 6, 2020

wiegieman posted:

One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

They usually find out that they do, in fact have plenty to lose. The Chaos gods are very happy to give you power, because that power is them, and by taking that power you become a little less yourself and a little bit more of the god. Khorne seems especially corrosive, Khorne worshipers nearly always wind up hollowed out shells of themselves, a skin sack through which the god of blood bellows and screams at the world.

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008
I don't think anyone's really discussed it yet, but I am fond of the willpower mechanic that lets you buff most attacks and abilities. It provides a simple solution to those times when you'd have to spend an extra action point, or even wait an entire extra turn to finish off a unit that has just a sliver of hp left.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

wiegieman posted:

One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

Sometimes, it's just a wierd swinger group.

Sometimes, it's a slaneeshi pleasure cult and Chaos Answers.

But one of the Big E's big bad dad moments was not telling his Primarch children about Chaos. Which ruined all his plans when Magnus travelled through the warp to visit daddy and created a warp rift right into the heart of his Imperial Webway because he didn't know.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Veloxyll posted:

Sometimes, it's just a wierd swinger group.

Sometimes, it's a slaneeshi pleasure cult and Chaos Answers.

But one of the Big E's big bad dad moments was not telling his Primarch children about Chaos. Which ruined all his plans when Magnus travelled through the warp to visit daddy and created a warp rift right into the heart of his Imperial Webway because he didn't know.

Magnus knew that human sacrifice was bad, that sorcery was bad, that he wasn't supposed to do either of them ever. And yet, he invoked warp powers via human sacrifice and blew through all the defenses around Terra, dooming the human webway project and starting the Inner War.

But he always knew best, right? It was Emps' fault for not telling him everything, not his for holding the knife.

Everywhere Magnus goes, he is followed by laughter which he cannot hear. It's his nature now, to be unable to perceive Tzeentch's amusement. That's how much Chaos owns him.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

wiegieman posted:

Magnus knew that human sacrifice was bad, that sorcery was bad, that he wasn't supposed to do either of them ever. And yet, he invoked warp powers via human sacrifice and blew through all the defenses around Terra, dooming the human webway project and starting the Inner War.

But he always knew best, right? It was Emps' fault for not telling him everything, not his for holding the knife.

Everywhere Magnus goes, he is followed by laughter which he cannot hear. It's his nature now, to be unable to perceive Tzeentch's amusement. That's how much Chaos owns him.

Becaue he assumed they were bad because they cost human lives.

Not because they let literal demons in.

CheeseThief
Dec 28, 2012

Two wholesome boys to brighten your day

ousire posted:



And like a lot of 40k lore, just HOW secret they are varies depending on what source or book you read. Some books say that other Space Marines who fight along side the Grey Knights end up getting mind-wiped afterwards to remove their memories of the event, Men In Black style. Some books will say that the Imperium just flatout KILL any survivors of a Chaos incursion where the Grey Knights are involved to kill any witnesses of Chaos or the Grey Knights. I think that level of stuff has been toned down in recent years though with the increased emphasis of Chaos as a big badguy force, just so the imperium isn't wholesale slaughtering as much of their own population as Chaos is just for the crime of seeing a Justicar.


I think this is handled on a case by case basis.

Local PDF squad sees a knight? Put 'em down just to be sure.

IG regiment putting down a chaos incusion gets Grey Knight support? A tragic loss of strategic assessts but they were probably already corrupted anyway, it's a mercy really.

Space Marine squad? Those guys are rare and expensive, better to just mind wipe them and send them on their way.

I remember seeing some incredulous reactions towards the GK in the 40k community a few years ago, some Black Library story had the GK slaughter a bunch of Sisters of Battle and wear their blood as holy protection against demons or something.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Ah yeah, the Bloodtide.

We don't generally speak of the Bloodtide, because it was written during an era where the direction was steadily going into the direction of "More grimdark! More!"

Even if the peak of that wouldn't be reached until 7th edition where we had lore about how about a training school for Tempestus Scion broke their brain washing and rebelled, only to then be defeated and turned into mortar for the school.
Or that the final examination for those elite troopers is hunting down one of their friends/classmates.

But then 7th edition is generally considered one of the worst ones and with 8th end it has generally gone upwards.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

:scotland:
Matt Ward has a lot to answer for with some of the absolute nonsense that the Grey Knights ended up doing in the background when he wrote the 5th ed codex for them. From their Turbo Mary-Sue Supreme Grandmaster Kaldor Draigo to the Bloodtide and the Sisters of Battle getting murdered by the GK assholery it was the very worst of edgy fanboy writing, in a setting full of edgy fanboy writing.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Cooked Auto posted:

Ah yeah, the Bloodtide.

We don't generally speak of the Bloodtide, because it was written during an era where the direction was steadily going into the direction of "More grimdark! More!"

Even if the peak of that wouldn't be reached until 7th edition where we had lore about how about a training school for Tempestus Scion broke their brain washing and rebelled, only to then be defeated and turned into mortar for the school.
Or that the final examination for those elite troopers is hunting down one of their friends/classmates.

But then 7th edition is generally considered one of the worst ones and with 8th end it has generally gone upwards.

Didn't they straight up retcon that that entire incident into Sisters and Grey Knights working together?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

No idea, I think everyone, GW included, just memory holed the whole thing hard.

Edit:
Looking it up I'm getting a big maybe about it being changed in the 7th ed GK codex. But seemingly nothing more solid than that.
And it seems to be either them working together, or the sisters all dying in battle before the Knights arrived.

Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 19, 2024

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP



I don't always remember everything correctly. There's been a few Dvorns, some time has passed, sometimes I record ahead. Things happen.


But really this is a pretty standard mission and a map I do remember. The path to the objectives is really just a straight line, however I've played enough of it to have learned that it's better to take the right side path. Engagement positions are more favorable and also less likely to risk a patrol and a bloom spawn guard. One good lesson to take from the tiered balcony design onf the map is to remember your Knights in power armor can simply climb right up short vertical walls, something the enemies can not do. I didn't get a lot of use out of it here, but it did let me get close and position before activating a patrol, and had I not split up or had less terminator armors may have allowed for a few clever moves.

This was a pretty routine run, so I haven't a lot to say on it other than I'd point out how effective the Vindicare is in this mission and keep it in mind to compare against the next mission when I invest some requisition into him. Because assassins level in a predetermined way and each individual level up is pretty minor gear tends to play a big part in an assassins power gains and I am just eager to show the first power leap in the Vindicare next video.

CheeseThief
Dec 28, 2012

Two wholesome boys to brighten your day

It feels odd to me seein you be so sparing with grenades. In my first play through I picked up both krak grenades and the grenadier armour very early on, so my opening move in any encounter was to blow everything up.

Also, I feel like there's a specific mission type that has been conspicuously absent so far. Has it just not popped up?

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

The force commander's guide to the Apocathary's magical journey.

also love how Olesh was like "you're gonna gate of infinity to catch him up." And then you play with your food rather than going for the decapitation gate of infinity

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
People in 30k were aware daemons existed, for the record. They just got called warp predators/entities. Geller fields were normal/necessary equipment on imperial starships for a reason. The emperor just hid the fact that there were malevolent intelligences behind them.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP

CheeseThief posted:

It feels odd to me seein you be so sparing with grenades. In my first play through I picked up both krak grenades and the grenadier armour very early on, so my opening move in any encounter was to blow everything up.

Also, I feel like there's a specific mission type that has been conspicuously absent so far. Has it just not popped up?

It's the Giant Robotic Crab Syndrome. I really want to push up armory access before I commit to armors and things. Why spend on a level 1 krak grenade, when there are level 3 krak grenades out there? I know it's a personal thing, but you are right that a purgator with grenade pockets and skills plus a grenade bonus armor is pretty rad. I'm just not spending my requisition like that yet.

There's definitely one type of 'regular' mission we haven't seen yet, which might be gated behind progress, not actually sure. And then there is at least one more new kind of mission that I hate for 1 very specific reason. Maybe two reasons actually, but the first is a design choice that I hate, and the second feels like an oversight or glitch.

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009
It's so weird to me that you have so many Apothecaries. For whatever reason, my RNG just HATES Apothecaries, I never see them at all. You literally have had more Apothecaries at this point than what showed up in my entire last game file.

It's also a pity that your Apothecaries keep rolling such bad skills. Now, granted, that's pretty high odds of happening for any individual Apothecary since I don't consider either the top or bottom trees to be any good at all. At least your recent one rolled additional Skulls? Given how broken they can get, that's definitely a boon, it's just too bad he has like 4 wasted points at the moment.....

Jade Star posted:

There's definitely one type of 'regular' mission we haven't seen yet, which might be gated behind progress, not actually sure.

The regular mission we haven't seen yet, I'm pretty sure I've seen it this early in the game before. It's also by far the worst mission type among all the randomized possible missions in my books, so that's not really great. A bit of a dodged bullet honestly that you haven't seen it yet while you're still ramping up.

On another note, if anyone finds the game interesting, right now, the game is on sale on steam right this moment along with other Warhammer property games.

Edit: Side note if you don't like the warp cutscene on file load, you can turn off the ship events camera in the settings and it'll no longer keep doing that.

Keldulas fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 26, 2024

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
Mechanicus should also be on sale. Same genre as this game, and it's real good.
And it got a sequel announced just the other day too.

No, I won't stop singing Mechanicus' praises anytime soon, fight me

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009
Mechanicus looks interesting. What's your opinion on the DLC and little add-ons for it?

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
The DLC adds a few missions and a skill tree. It's nice, and at 5 bucks probably worth it. But you're not missing out on anything game changing if you just buy the base game.

The extras, IIRC the only in-game extra is a single gun that's... fine? The others is a digital art book and the soundtrack. The soundtrack absolutely slaps, so if buying videogame OSTs is something you do on occasion, this is a great one.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

:scotland:
The music for Mechanicus is worth the price of admission alone. Really nice game on top of it too.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
It's also just so refreshingly different to the style of music that's in basically every other warhammer game. This game has good music, but it's still immediately recognisable as warhammer music.

Mechanicus is gothic electronic music with a pipe organ drop instead of a bass drop.

Mandalore has a review up: https://youtu.be/YirkpurLHkU?si=ise7UzwqEdmgQbiV
He talks about sound design and music starting 4:58. Tl;dr: this game knocks it out of the park in the sound department.

E: VVVVVV I did not know that, that's incredible.

Groetgaffel fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 29, 2024

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






They didn't just get any pipe organ, they actually got access to a (nearly) 900-year-old French cathedral and its comparably ancient organ.

"Mechanicus Soundtrack posted:

Organ of the cathedral of Saint Pierre d'Angoulême interpreted by Frédéric Ledroit.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


NGDBSS posted:

They didn't just get any pipe organ, they actually got access to a (nearly) 900-year-old French cathedral and its comparably ancient organ.

Truly, the Machine is Immortal.

ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

:vince:

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
If I do this--- (raises hand, person I'm talking to is bathed in promethium by three grey knights with flamers) --- would that mean anything to you?

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP
Oh no, this was not a cross over I was prepared for.

Shei-kun
Dec 2, 2011

Screw you, physics!
I just about died laughing, thank you so much for this.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


What's the screenshot referencing?

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
It is an edit from a game called Contradiction, which I believe Jade has a video or two of him playing (though maybe not an LP as such, memory is failing me?)

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

It was a side thing posted during the XCOM 2 LP.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Thanks. It looked very familiar but I couldn't place it.

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FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Oh man, I didn't even recognize him with the inquisitor face on him. I'm keeping that image in my head for later in the game.

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