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General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
Any form of media can be good, and most of it is terrible

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Izzhov
Dec 6, 2013

My head hurts.

FartbagOhoulihan posted:

Your list is bad, you have a Homestuck avatar though so. Come on. Hold on I'm going to look at lady of the shard. Okay I did, :laffo: Homestuck would've been better than that

Homestuck is for children.

What would you name as a good webcomic, out of curiosity?

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Troposphere posted:

why not both

Because opera is good and broadway is bad, sorry.

Izzhov
Dec 6, 2013

My head hurts.

Oscar Wild posted:

Media based on media is worse. Comic book movies. Comic book video games. Books adapted from film. It's referential garbage that doesn't have the decency to at least be innovative.

Which makes it really telling that most musicals that people consider classics are adaptations...

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
I am enjoying this Broadway digression.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post

General Dog posted:

Any form of media can be good, and most of it is terrible

It's like 45% terrible, 42% ok, 18% not great but entertaining, and 5% actually great

I did the science here. this all adds up.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Oscar Wild posted:

Media based on media is worse. Comic book movies. Comic book video games. Books adapted from film. It's referential garbage that doesn't have the decency to at least be innovative.

all art is referential

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
german musicals are the best

tanz der vampire and elisabeth are two of my favorite things in the world, they are extremely flamboyant and awesome.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
you haven't lived until you've seen vampires singing total eclipse of the heart in german imo

http://youtu.be/kY-dLnxg8SE

Troposphere fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Oct 1, 2016

Synthetic Hermit
Apr 4, 2012

mega survoltage!!!
Grimey Drawer

Zombies' Downfall posted:

I legitimately can't tell if Synthetic Hermit is an extremely sincere weirdo or doing some kind of heinous gimmick

Anyway comics own!!!



I'll take "extremely sincere weirdo", though I don't know why wanting artists to only use filth where there's a legitimate context for it rather than just for the sake of having filth is weird...

Here's an example of the proper usage of filth, the Hsu & Chan comics:



(From Hsu & Chan #3)

There's no nudity, though big breasted women are used to make jokes about big breasted women. Violence is used as an exclamation point or a trait of a guest character, usually in a humorous fashion, rather than centering the story on it. And the most gruesome violence always happens off-panel, with the characters usually humorously commenting on how gruesome it is.

P.S. There was a line of officially licensed Christian Archie comics in the 70's written and drawn by legitimate Archie artist Al Hartley.

cup holder full of dimes
Oct 1, 2016

by WE B Boo-ourgeois
I like the kind where they show boobies LOL (laughing out loud just fyi)

Revins
Nov 2, 2007





tune the FM in to static and pretend that its the sea
I grew up reading Bone comics, and Calvin and Hobbes. Calvin and Hobbes informed my early worldview quite a bit, I think

scuba school sucks
Aug 30, 2012

The brilliance of my posting illuminates the forums like a jar of shining gold when all around is dark
Is there a comic of Batman playing the violin or similar stringed instrument? I already have a screencap of the U2 video, but is that in canon anywhere?

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Izzhov posted:

Homestuck is for children.

What would you name as a good webcomic, out of curiosity?

The online posted Megg, Mogg and Owl stuff. Oglaf.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Oscar Wild posted:

Media based on media is worse. Comic book movies. Comic book video games. Books adapted from film. It's referential garbage that doesn't have the decency to at least be innovative.

These are mostly cashgrabs but there are occasional good ones, like the batman games/movies that were pretty popular, or lotr (though to be honest I didn't really like them). Though I guess you could say they're lowbrow either way so it's kind of a moot point.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
the watchmen game was the best because it was so loving bad and you could make nite owl squat and move around grunting and it was the most hilarious thing

Izzhov
Dec 6, 2013

My head hurts.

KiteAuraan posted:

The online posted Megg, Mogg and Owl stuff. Oglaf.

I really enjoy Oglaf, but I wouldn't say it has artistic merit.

Digamma-F-Wau
Mar 22, 2016

It is curious and wants to accept all kinds of challenges
The secret to enjoying webcomics is to be like me and have numb, normie-tier tastes when it comes to media

edit: In retrospect, that's my secret to enjoying media in general

Digamma-F-Wau fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 1, 2016

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Izzhov posted:

I really enjoy Oglaf, but I wouldn't say it has artistic merit.

You said good, not artistic merit. There is no webcomic with artistic merit.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
megg mogg and owl has hella artistic merit

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

LogicalFallacy
Nov 16, 2015

Wrecking hell's shit since 1993


Izzhov posted:

What is a musical that has artistic merit and is not aimed at children? Asking for a friend
Go to the Wikipedia page for Gilbert and Sullivan and pick just about anything from their list of works. If you dismiss any of it out of hand, that's because you don't understand satire.

Izzhov posted:

What would you name as a good webcomic, out of curiosity?
I'm not the target for this challenge, but Rice Boy is an interesting take on the hero's journey with really weird visuals. I will be honest and say that it is best enjoyed if you like trippy poo poo or are a mildly pretentious rear end in a top hat. I'm... honestly not sure which of those fits me best.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Troposphere posted:

miss saigon

chess

rent(vaguely based off la boheme I guess)

tick tick boom

elisabeth das musical

company, a funny thing happened on the way to the forum, almost all sondheim musicals

these are just off the top of my head. expand ur musical surroundings my friend

Miss Saigon is based on Madame Butterfly

Incidentally Madame Butterfly is better than Miss Saigon.

E: I'd say as far as webcomics go the Perry Bible Fellowship is both good and has artistic merit. If you want a compelling argument for the latter claim you need look no further than most goons not understanding it.

E: The Rocky Horror Show is also a musical with artistic merit that's not for kids. The fan base is almost universally awful, though.

It's deliberately kitsch and B-Movie quality and fantastically done in both regards.

Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Oct 1, 2016

Izzhov
Dec 6, 2013

My head hurts.

Rush Limbo posted:

E: I'd say as far as webcomics go the Perry Bible Fellowship is both good and has artistic merit. If you want a compelling argument for the latter claim you need look no further than most goons not understanding it.

Oh man I forgot about PBF. There's no denying that this poo poo is High Art:



e:

Izzhov fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Oct 1, 2016

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Stexils posted:

historically speaking the lowest form of media has always been the one women and poor people enjoy the most, not sure what that would be these days

Dreamworks animated films

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Rush Limbo posted:

Madame Butterfly



Madama Butterfly is amazing

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
miss saigon is based on madame butterfly in the way that rent is based on la boheme. which is to say, vaguely

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

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Applewhite posted:

The time travel arc was a cool twist on an old theme, IMO.

I was just trolling you, it's actually pretty good, I *did* read them all. It was really funny at times.

It's also good in that super-strength battles would result in dismemberments. It made sense.

Side note, the way the Vitru-whatevers are drawn really recall Fist of the North Star to me for some reason, I wonder if it's an homage.

But the book does share a problem with anything superhero that tries to add *realism*...any super-duper beings like that would completely warp Earth's reality beyond recognizability in a short period of time. MiracleMan embraced it and ended right afterwards like a Greek tragedy, Planetary dealt with it in a really neat way (i.e. conspiracy), and Invincible sort of tries to deal with it but not really - the immediate 'fake moons' to deal with the new water level were silly, and the amount of destruction the Earth saw would have caused a lot more repercussions.

I think I would have liked it better if it had taken the themes it developed and ended at issue 100. There was a lot of rehashing, it got a bit repetitive.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

thoughts and prayers posted:

I was just trolling you, it's actually pretty good, I *did* read them all. It's good in that, really, super-strength battles would result in massive dismemberments. Side note, the way the Vitru-whatevers are drawn really recall Fist of the North Star to me for some reason, I wonder if it's an homage.

But the book does share a problem with anything superhero that tries to add *realism*...

Any super-duper beings like that would completely warp Earth's reality beyond recognizability in a short period of time. MiracleMan embraced it and ended right afterwards like a Greek tragedy, Planetary dealt with it in a really neat way (i.e. conspiracy), and Invincible sort of tries to deal with it but not really - the immediate 'fake moons' to deal with the new water level were silly, and the amount of destruction the Earth saw would have caused a lot more repercussions.

But, it was funny. I think I would have liked it better if it had taken the themes it developed and ended at issue 100. There was a lot of rehashing, it got a bit repetitive.

Yeah he tries to hold the story in tension between "realism" and "just silly fun" and it doesn't always work, but I think he does a good job of addressing some of the problems of a superhero world that other "fun" comics don't touch and serious comics never bother with.
By keeping the comic a little ridiculous I think he's actually able to go a little further into a deconstruction of superheroes than a completely serious comic would be able to do. A superhero comic that was totally dedicated to realism would get sidetracked by the psychological and sociological changes brought about by superheroes way before it could get to the point where a talking dinosaur tried to blow up Las Vegas to provide limitless clean energy.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Troposphere posted:

miss saigon is based on madame butterfly in the way that rent is based on la boheme. which is to say, vaguely

Next you'll be saying West Side Story isn't a faithful adaption of Shakespeare.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

I miss the days when Buckley was genuinely awful instead of just being bland and boring.

I still laugh when I think about him having a comic called "ctrl+alt+del" and it ending with a dude resetting the comic but not using a "ctrl+alt+del" the most obviously symbolic thing you could do.

Mind you, saying that here's the latest comic. A joke that was ancient even when South Park did it about the Nintendo Wii.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious
At least that last panel accurately depicts ones feelings reading ctrlaltdel

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FunkyFlashman
May 10, 2013
Soo many stupid opinions in this thread. "WaaWaaa your media sucks and only mine is good :byodood:" Thank god i am not posting here often.

I just wanted to drop by and say THANK YOU for giving me "kill six billion demons" I bought this comic book from amazon because the artist deserves my money and that is very rare.

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