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Toadvine posted:Can I just say that culture has no inherent value?? culture is dumb as hell, wanna yell about it?
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JiveHonky posted:culture is dumb as hell, wanna yell about it? This is the internet.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah, he is in fact a very cool and smart dude YEah, I guess the SMG = Sarah Michelle Geller joke is well past it's prime.
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Sep 30, 2016 23:10
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VendaGoat posted:This is the internet. *points at own nose*
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Toadvine posted:Can I just say that culture has no inherent value?? Actually sometimes you can culture flip a city.
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Roylicious posted:Actually sometimes you can culture flip a city. Yeah but it means one of you settled in a really stupid place and it would almost always be better just to obliterate it.
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JiveHonky posted:culture is dumb as hell, wanna yell about it? actually the Culture owns and Iain M. Banks was a great author and cool dude *obliterates u with a gridfire intrusion*
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:What counts as a marginalized culture? Take the Irish. Screwed over for most of the last millennium, they've had peace for what, 30 years? also gently caress guinness
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:Normally I wouldn't bother, but a bunch of you seem to have well thought out opinions, so here goes. I think a basic rule of thumb could be any culture that is currently on the outs while some other culture is benefiting from the former's exploitation? Like things sucked for the Irish but I *think* they're okay now... but you could say natives in the Americas are pretty marginalized maybe. Although how do you marginalize a 'culture' really it always comes back to marginalizing a group of people who identify with a particular culture and I think it'd be more useful to just address that instead of obfuscating it behind additional layers of stuff. Like I'm pretty sure most Pacific Islanders are concerned with things like fishing rights and exploitation of resources by foreign powers and climate change caused by industrialized nations affecting their islands rather than their culture - which they care about sure but if you fix that other stuff the culture will be okay on its own imo. I don't think it really matters to the average Pacific Islander if a bunch of white people 5000 miles away are drinking alcohol out of a Tiki head or whatever. Roylicious fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Roylicious posted:I think a basic rule of thumb could be any culture that is currently on the outs while some other culture is benefiting from the former's exploitation? Like things sucked for the Irish but I *think* they're okay now... but you could say natives in the Americas are pretty marginalized maybe. Stop being reasonable on the internet.
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Roylicious posted:Like I'm pretty sure most Pacific Islanders are concerned with things like fishing rights and exploitation of resources by foreign powers and climate change caused by industrialized nations affecting their islands rather than their culture - which they care about sure but if you fix that other stuff the culture will be okay on its own imo. I don't think it really matters to the average Pacific Islander if a bunch of white people 5000 miles away are drinking alcohol out of a Tiki head or whatever. Like from the perspective I was raised under, a lot of the colonized Pacific Islander groups care about one huge thing, which is getting their ancestral lands back. That isn't gonna happen, because now it's owned by Canadians and Chinese nationals and poo poo, or Wal Mart, so our second-biggest concern is becoming landowners--call it a paranoia, but the last time we technically didn't own our land after America took over, things kinda went badly for us. This isn't necessarily an easy thing but land is cheap outside of the metropolitan areas on the northwest coast, so we like to migrate there. But everyone who wants to stay in their homeland, well, that's prohibitively expensive now and there's a lot of legal action to repossess disused state land, or failed private subdivisions, and even then that's disregarding the whole "Hawaiians make up 20% of the state population but over a third of the homeless population" thing where a lot of us can't even afford basic housing, forget land ownership. Even then, owning land is a tremendous investment for people who only fifty years ago were scrubbing themselves with steel wool because we got so much poo poo for being browns from every other culture group and it was illegal to speak Hawaiian, so yeah, people drinking mai tais and blue hawaiis out of a kitschy glass that doesn't actually look like any of our extant historical effigies is pretty far down on our list of things to give a poo poo about.
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VendaGoat posted:Stop being reasonable on the internet. I think everyone is being reasonable and come to a rough consensus on the major points while leaving some room for differing views on the details and implications. Since this is new GBS maybe we could stop now instead of going on for thirty pages, devolving into increasingly dumb slapfights, then turning into a gamergate derail and getting the thread gassed. Just an idea.
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P-Mack posted:I think everyone is being reasonable and come to a rough consensus on the major points while leaving some room for differing views on the details and implications. Since this is new GBS maybe we could stop now instead of going on for thirty pages, devolving into increasingly dumb slapfights, then turning into a gamergate derail and getting the thread gassed. Just an idea. Seconded. I think this was an excellent inaugural debate for our new forum.
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but we havent touched on the real question: does a mai tai have orgeat in it, or falernum?
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Applewhite posted:Seconded. I think this was an excellent inaugural debate for our new forum. Yeah.
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Just want to say thanks to those who made the excellent point that it's individuals who are marginalized not non-discrete entities like cultures.
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Toadvine posted:This is a thought provoking video thanks for posting Same, but mega-ironically
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Roylicious posted:I think a basic rule of thumb could be any culture that is currently on the outs while some other culture is benefiting from the former's exploitation? Like things sucked for the Irish but I *think* they're okay now... but you could say natives in the Americas are pretty marginalized maybe. Like normally this would be an excellent place for a cargo cult joke, but in the spirit of wizened nu GBS I guess lock the thread?
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Eating SPAM when you don't have to is a microaggression And you're a real douchebag if you eat that spam sushi poo poo
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Olmec has been reduced to working as a drive-through speaker at Jack in the Box
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P-Mack posted:I think everyone is being reasonable and come to a rough consensus on the major points while leaving some room for differing views on the details and implications. Since this is new GBS maybe we could stop now instead of going on for thirty pages, devolving into increasingly dumb slapfights, then turning into a gamergate derail and getting the thread gassed. Just an idea. Applewhite posted:Seconded. I think this was an excellent inaugural debate for our new forum. I went to a Tiki bar tonight.
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VendaGoat posted:I went to a Tiki bar tonight. but brother let me tell you if they served you a blue hawaii and it wasn't basically vanilla shave ice with pineapple juice and vodka you really shouldn't give them your patronage again because that's just lazy drinkmixing
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Do I have to throw out all of my Lego bionicle toys now?
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The White Dragon posted:but brother let me tell you if they served you a blue hawaii and it wasn't basically vanilla shave ice with pineapple juice and vodka you really shouldn't give them your patronage again because that's just lazy drinkmixing I had a Miller Lite and played Pinball. Do I have to pay reparations now?
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you know whats real problimatic?? MY DICK!
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Is it supposed to be meta that people are manufacturing outrage at a pretty reasonable article? I have the same question about that Pepe poo poo.
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I'm going to a regular poo poo dive bar tonight. They'll be appropriating gross restroom culture.
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what if there are bumper stickers on the wall that appropriate someone burn it
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P-Mack posted:I think everyone is being reasonable and come to a rough consensus on the major points while leaving some room for differing views on the details and implications. Since this is new GBS maybe we could stop now
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Has anyone asked whether it is problematic to drink at a Tiki bar in Hawaii? 
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P-Mack posted:I think everyone is being reasonable and come to a rough consensus on the major points while leaving some room for differing views on the details and implications. Since this is new GBS maybe we could stop now instead of going on for thirty pages, devolving into increasingly dumb slapfights, then turning into a gamergate derail and getting the thread gassed. Just an idea. You know what..... Yes. The site that has made so many 9/11 parody videos and gifs, made fun of presidential candidates, spoofed horrible and deplorable loving crimes, made fun of every lynch pin of social justice, since loving 1999 should draw the god damned line at loving TIKI BARS. Yes, this is the "Bridge too far" for goons to traverse the internet to. We've lampooned serial killers. Tiki bars, WOOF! That's just TOO loving MUCH MATE! Place me into the old school racist grandpa camp. I think making fun of fuckin Pele isn't out of the god damned question here.
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use fewer words, all of you
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proof of concept posted:use fewer words, all of you GOONS  Make a tiki bar parody thread.
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:Thanks dude but it's GBS, I'm not gonna make sure my writing is loving academically perfect or even cohesive cause idgaf All you are writing should be so concise
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Can we talk about Nickelodeon's Legends of the Hidden Temple for a second? Because I liked that show a lot as kid. Stupid idiot kids could never put the dumb statue together. 
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they missed out on a great marketing opportunity not turning that talking head thing into an alarm clock or some other thing you can have on your desk that talks to you
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Roylicious posted:Can we talk about Nickelodeon's Legends of the Hidden Temple for a second? Because I liked that show a lot as kid. somehow i think today airing a gameshow where adults jump out and grab little kids would be a bit...problematic?
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I'm usually pretty receptive to this kind of thing, but good god there are limits. If you want to stoke out islanders, there's gotta be a better way than going after Big Tiki Bar in drat near 2017. My city has a 1:1 ratio of church themed bars to tiki bars, which is to say there's one each, and nobody is visibly worked up about either of them. I'm sure there's some pasty nerd somewhere in town getting mad about the tiki bar, but I've drat sure never heard any of the local Samoans say word one, they're too busy making money. At this point the tiki bar is a "like the 70s, right. Have you seen fear and loathing?" theme and not a "like those dumb ocean guys, right?" kind of a thing. Maybe things are different other places, but this ain't a big deal here. Interestingly, I've never heard word one from anyone about Church, which is an obnoxious cocktail bar with a cheeky religion theme, like the photo booth or whatever that people do coke in says "confessions" over it and so forth. Nobody gives a hint of a poo poo about that one, so the author's whole "CAN YOU IMAGINE" line falls pretty flat. Portland is a very non-religious city and that wouldn't fly elsewhere, but it's a very social justice-y city too. We have a smallish islander population that has disproportionately huge pull in the bar industry (Samoan security teams basically run the bouncing game in the entertainment district downtown), the place wouldn't exist within two weeks of them deciding they don't like it. That hasn't happened, their influence and the bar are both old things, I'm pretty sure nobody directly involved gives a gently caress.
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Did you actually read the article? They talked to one guy who said (paraphrasing) that it wasn't great but certainly not anywhere near a big issue.
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