Vlonald Prump posted:

Um, is this homicide perpetrators or homicide victims

Because there are lot of middle class black folks who live in what are otherwise lovely neighborhoods

Smythe posted:

its cool that Race Realists think its cool to post their drivel in GBS now. I hope you morons heed this wakeup call, the take a moment for some self reflection.

Vlonald Prump posted:

Concentrated poverty is the main difference

There are no white neighborhoods with the same % of poverty as your typical ghetto. People usually get jobs through other people so if nearly nobody you know has a job, well

When most everyone in the neighborhood is poo poo poor rather than a fraction, that's when people start forming gangs to sell drugs

Vlonald Prump posted:

Concentrated poverty is the main difference

There are no white neighborhoods with the same % of poverty as your typical ghetto. People usually get jobs through other people so if nearly nobody you know has a job, well

When most everyone in the neighborhood is poo poo poor rather than a fraction, that's when people start forming gangs to sell drugs

tenspott posted:

This is utter nonsense. Entire regions like west Virginia are broke and mostly white.

Vlonald Prump posted:

Concentrated poverty is the main difference

There are no white neighborhoods with the same % of poverty as your typical ghetto. People usually get jobs through other people so if nearly nobody you know has a job, well

When most everyone in the neighborhood is poo poo poor rather than a fraction, that's when people start forming gangs to sell drugs

tenspott posted:

This is utter nonsense. Entire regions like west Virginia are broke and mostly white.

Sgt. Shaved Balls posted:

The most impoverished white communities in America are a fairly recent phenomenon compared to the historically nearly always impoverished black community. White people have always held the advantage but in the community you mention and similar ones it has occurred only in the last 30 years or so. They cling and for some reason still cling to industries whose America based corporations sold them out for profit. And they still think their old industries can come back (they won't). They for some reason don't realize that the coal, steel, automotive, factory jobs weren't "stolen by the Chinese" but rather American corporations wanted the closest things to slaves which was dirt cheap foreign labor. Even though the manufacturing hubs of China have slowly created a large amount of skilled labor and hence have become increasingly more expensive (compared to initially), these corporations just move their factories to places where they can exploit more desperate people like Bangladesh

Essentially comparing those communities poverty situation to black ones is apples and oranges imho. I'd say the white people for those places are more geographically disadvantaged than socially like black americans.

Solice Kirsk posted:

There's been dirt poor white communities since the 1700's in the US. There's still Appalachian communities that barely communicate outside of themselves. Like real backwoods hill folk. I think you're just thinking of urban poor and not rural poor.

You're right though. It is more prevalent for black Americans.

Second Sun posted:

Blaming poverty on crime doesn't hold up. There's clearly a culture of violence among many african americans that makes the whole black lives matter movement seem incredibly hypocritical.

tenspott posted:

This is utter nonsense. Entire regions like west Virginia are broke and mostly white.

whoflungpoop posted:

The stereotype of the redneck is more than just a myth, there are lots of people who proudly embrace that as their identity and it is a deep one that goes way beyond tacky bumperstickers and lovely voting patterns. They place more trust and value in tangible possessions like cars and guns and a spot of land to put a portable home on than in savings or investments or education. A lot of them actively reject those kind of intangible long-term things as alien to their own identity. When you are truly proud of who you are, and who you are distrusts and scorns people with education and wealth, there's not much left to do but finance a bass boat

whoflungpoop posted:

The stereotype of the redneck is more than just a myth, there are lots of people who proudly embrace that as their identity and it is a deep one that goes way beyond tacky bumperstickers and lovely voting patterns. They place more trust and value in tangible possessions like cars and guns and a spot of land to put a portable home on than in savings or investments or education. A lot of them actively reject those kind of intangible long-term things as alien to their own identity. When you are truly proud of who you are, and who you are distrusts and scorns people with education and wealth, there's not much left to do but finance a bass boat

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

Guns and land are pretty good investments though.

Cephalectomy posted:

See white people are poor because they choose to be, but only white people. Get with teh program racists

whoflungpoop posted:

Rednecks dont buy land for investment tho, they buy a cheap plot install a cheap septic system plop down a cheap house and use the rest of the land to collect piles of rusty junk and bullet holes

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

I make good money and live in middle class suburbia but I gotta tell you that sounds pretty fun to me, guess I'm white trash at heart.

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

I make good money and live in middle class suburbia but I gotta tell you that sounds pretty fun to me, guess I'm white trash at heart.

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

There's concentrated urban poverty in other parts of the world without the extreme levels of violence. But it seems like a Western Hemisphere thing, with America's urban ghettos having something in common with Brazil and other Latin American countries.

I wonder what it is......????

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

There's concentrated urban poverty in other parts of the world without the extreme levels of violence. But it seems like a Western Hemisphere thing, with America's urban ghettos having something in common with Brazil and other Latin American countries.

I wonder what it is......????

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

If you go to Mexican flea markets around where I live, you can find merchants selling candles and lucky charms bearing the image of Jesus Malverde, who was a mythical bandit and is celebrated by drug traffickers. But the outlaw image is also tied up in a populist, everyman thing since these bandits emerged as heroes when the Mexicans went on a rampage and murdered their landlords 100 years ago. It's cool I feel that way about my landlord sometimes.



Anyhow there was one votive candle I almost bought that said "NO POLICIA" on it. You light it to ward off the cops.

Funny story: One merchant I talked to said he didn't know who Santa Muerte was (like the Virgin Mary but with a skeleton's face and for drug dealers) until some kids wanted him to make some pendants with pictures of "Santa" in them. He ended up putting Santa Claus in the pendants, and the kids came back and were confused at this jolly, fat gringo with a big white beard. "That's not Santa..."

I dunno. I find it interesting. I don't think the United States is an exceptional country here, and more like a Latin American country that happens to speak English instead of Spanish, was founded in Protestantism and not Catholicism, and also happened to get real big and wealthier. But the social problems, the high rates of violent crime (including "crimes of passion" and road rage), the fusion of religion and politics, and (as we've recently seen) attraction to populist caudillo presidents, it has in common with its neighbors to the south.

Also instead of Malverde we have Al Capone.

unpleasantly turgid posted:

And none of this is to mention that BLM insists that black people do NOTHING WRONG. It's always the cops, so gently caress cops. That's the take-away. White people comprise the LIONS SHARE of extra-judicial killings (50%), but that doesn't get talked about because there's a culture of accountability with white people. There may have, at some point, been one within black communities, but BLM has insisted that this culture is bad, and I've just linked you the results. This wasn't happening before, now it is. Explain that.

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There were 10 seconds worth of time to think here, and there was a lot of time for Philando to simply stop stressing this cop out.

Meiers Goldbrick posted:

Second Sun posted:

Blaming poverty on crime doesn't hold up. There's clearly a culture of violence among many african americans that makes the whole black lives matter movement seem incredibly hypocritical.

get that OUT of my face posted:

why did you do such a terrible thing as bumping this thread

at least oxballs is out of posting commission for the next month