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Aschlafly posted:"Capitalism" can either mean "any time people buy and sell stuff" or "a specific mode of production outlined in Marxist theory" depending on what you need it to mean Actually it has a pretty clear meaning, as a form of political organization wherein the interests of capital owners are protected by the law above all else, as opposed to the prior forms of political organization.
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steinrokkan posted:How mad are you that your trillion dollar military has never won a war Not that mad considering we win most of our CIA interventions and "police actions" (read; do whatever the gently caress we want and get away with it because we don't call the wars "wars")
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Jun 24, 2018 02:28
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how do you feel knowing that communism good and the usa bad
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Jun 24, 2018 03:21
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It has a very clear meaning. Here, let me change the definition of the word so that it is very clear
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Jun 24, 2018 03:21
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Oh hey Dillon2, couldn't hack it in fyad so trying to troll gbs?
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HoboMan posted:Oh hey Dillon2, couldn't hack it in fyad so trying to troll gbs? 
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Moridin920 posted:it's loving breathtaking how ignorant some of you are for real though it means the state establishes value (which it can't) and exchanging labor for capital is controlled
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Jun 24, 2018 04:49
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Irom posted:it means the state establishes value (which it can't) and exchanging labor for capital is controlled Uhhh. Do you actually know what communism is?
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communism is what happens when too many people feel entitled to razorblades and chocolate They try to use the authority of the government to force hard working billionaires to hand over their assets so that everyone owns them. I want to keep my top hat thank you
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The only convincing argument against communism is that rage against the machine support it
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Jun 24, 2018 06:02
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Irom posted:it means the state establishes value (which it can't) and exchanging labor for capital is controlled ....... nah though at its most fundamental its just about determining who gets paid based on democratic vote of the people doing the work
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Jun 24, 2018 12:33
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Irom posted:it means the state establishes value (which it can't) and exchanging labor for capital is controlled You never get to control the capital in a communist society. It’s state owned. It’s literally the exact same as capitalism except the people at the top are actually part of the government and running it. In a capitalist society you at least might have a chance investing $10,000 into a 3d printed dildo plant with money you earned working with someone else’s capital, in a communist society you won’t get an opportunity like this unless you are ready to suck off the state at every corner to get it. (But if you do get it you will be the Dildo Printer of the People and will have a strict monopoly, being able to send your competition to graves and gulags)
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Jun 24, 2018 14:15
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Aschlafly posted:"Capitalism" can either mean "any time people buy and sell stuff" or "a specific mode of production outlined in Marxist theory" depending on what you need it to mean Capitalism means you don’t have to be part of the government to own capital and make money with it. Workers are functionally the same in a communist and capitalist society, it’s what is “above that” that is debated. Communism means the state does it which is retarded because the state can’t watchdog itself, and capitalism means any jackass with a machine/equipment that does stuff is above the workers, which can be really bad if they go unchecked by the state (which a capitalist society still has and the free market means both their competitors and the government can watchdog them)
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Hemingway To Go! posted:*strips naked, shits everywhere, rolls in the poo poo while screaming about venezuela*
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Moridin920 posted:....... nah though that's...exactly what I said the word "democratic" in your summary doesn't make it any better
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Jun 24, 2018 15:58
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if I can vote in a retard president I should be able to vote in a retard ceo this is bullshit
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Jun 24, 2018 16:03
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people unironically say the 'free market' is a check on anyone's power except those without money hahahahahaha
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Dillon2 posted:Capitalism means you don’t have to be part of the government to own capital and make money with it. Workers are functionally the same in a communist and capitalist society, it’s what is “above that” that is debated. Communism means the state does it which is retarded because the state can’t watchdog itself, and capitalism means any jackass with a machine/equipment that does stuff is above the workers, which can be really bad if they go unchecked by the state (which a capitalist society still has and the free market means both their competitors and the government can watchdog them)
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Jun 24, 2018 16:18
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thats why communisms good yo
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Jun 24, 2018 18:23
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Communism is neutral but mankind is bad.
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Dillon2 posted:You never get to control the capital in a communist society. It’s state owned. It’s literally the exact same as capitalism except the people at the top are actually part of the government and running it. and we vote for those people versus Jeff Bezos doing whatever the gently caress he goddamn wants I know you're just a Pakled troll but lol
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Jun 24, 2018 18:31
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Irom posted:that's...exactly what I said dog if you think that's what you said you need to hit some dictionaries Has nothing to do with the state "establishing value" or exchanging labor for capital
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Jun 24, 2018 18:32
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Colonel Cancer posted:Communism is neutral but mankind is bad. false communism is actually in fact good
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Former DILF posted:false communism is actually in fact good false communism is kind of like cocaine socialism? Mankind still evil imo.
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Jun 24, 2018 18:50
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Moridin920 posted:dog if you think that's what you said you need to hit some dictionaries how is the state establishing value different from "determining who gets paid based on democratic vote of the people doing the work" a democratic vote still implies a body of law (and enforcement by violence)
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Jun 24, 2018 18:58
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What the gently caress is a pakled? Why do I see some new dumbass insult on here forums every other week? Let’s get back to basics imo
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Jun 24, 2018 19:39
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Irom posted:how is the state establishing value different from "determining who gets paid based on democratic vote of the people doing the work" People voting on how to distribute the profits doesn't mean the state determines price controls for literally everything my dude.
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Jun 24, 2018 19:44
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Moridin920 posted:People voting on how to distribute the profits doesn't mean the state determines price controls for literally everything my dude. uh the state determining/distributing wealth is what I'm talking about when I say "establish value" I never said anything about price controls, although communist systems have tried that too and it was universally disastrous
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Jun 24, 2018 19:51
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"People voting on how to distribute the profits" i.e., unelected government bureaucrats deciding how to distribute the profits
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Jun 24, 2018 20:00
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Irom posted:the state determining/distributing wealth is what I'm talking about when I say "establish value" yeah and I'm saying you need to do some reading because while I think I get what you're trying to say your terms are all wonky
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Aschlafly posted:"People voting on how to distribute the profits" i.e., unelected government bureaucrats deciding how to distribute the profits why unelected? Presumably we'd revamp our electoral system too? Either way better than unelected assholes deciding to gently caress everyone over for more profits. It's wild how I say something very innocuous that is basically paralleled by the concept of a stock market but this is a LINE TOO FAR for the 'capitalists.'
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Jun 24, 2018 20:06
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Communism is when the government has total power over people and tell them what to do. It can be good or bad depending on how the government behaves.
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Jun 24, 2018 20:11
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Moridin920 posted:why unelected? Presumably we'd revamp our electoral system too?
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Aschlafly posted:I think a socialist government with robust, free, fair elections would be a great experiment! It seems not to be a very popular idea, though. In democracies, people usually vote for a market economy Citation needed for your pure ideology https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Poll-Most-Russians-Prefer-Return-of-Soviet-Union-and-Socialism-20160420-0051.html quote:Over 50 percent of Russian citizens believe the collapse of the Soviet Union was bad and could have been avoided. Also ignore the fact that when a socialist government is elected the CIA has come in and hosed with them 99 times out of 100 so it's not like we really have a huge database of "fair free elections" to draw conclusions from. It's not really fair and free when you are getting Operation Condor'd for your political views. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 24, 2018 |
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Imagine being a grown rear end adult in 2018 and looking around and thinking 'yeah we just need some more capitalism and things will work out.' Just fuckin amazing.
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Moridin920 posted:Also ignore the fact that when a socialist government is elected the CIA has come in and hosed with them 99 times out of 100 so it's not like we really have a huge database of "fair free elections" to draw conclusions from. It's not really fair and free when you are getting Operation Condor'd for your political views. yeah well maybe the CIA wouldn't train and equip paramilitaries to destabilize left wing governments all over the world if socialism was good??? did you even think about that, dummy? anyway uhhhhh capitalism good because in capitalist country where capitalist own the media, they can control the people to only ever vote for capitalists so there, I sure proved you were dumb and a tankie
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any comparison isn't trustworthy and all those people are wearing nostalgia goggles checkmate Moridin920, try better next time
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oh yeah also Aschlafy, you were much funnier when you were too loving dumb to realize I was trolling and you answered loving articles to my bad shitposting I mean funny as in laughing at you, not with you, but still... funny
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In any organized human activity ultimately a single individual has to make a decision that others in the group follow. Even when humans vote for what to do a single individual has to call the vote. This is why Communist countries always have a big strong leader at the top like North Korea.
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That's actually why ultimately benevolent dictatorship by artificial intelligences we've built is the True Way Really it's funny that the capitalists retreat to anti-democracy arguments in the end though.
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