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dead comedy forums posted:https://twitter.com/LulapeloBrasil/status/858000208986353664 What is he saying?
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"Today I can say with certainty: I want to be president again. I'm going to ask the Brazilian people for permission to vote for me." - Google Translate
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Negrostrike posted:
http://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/04/28/politica/1493403387_106996.html It is!
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Apr 28, 2017 23:59
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Negrostrike posted:Is this real the most obvious reaction. why are you guys surprised?
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Apr 29, 2017 03:40
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Magrov posted:why are you guys surprised? it is a trump-level shoot yourself in the foot maneuver PMDB (the party in power) is a hydra and it just snacked one of their own heads
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Apr 29, 2017 05:16
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Could someone outline the most outrageous points in the labor reform?
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Apr 29, 2017 16:16
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dead comedy forums posted:https://twitter.com/LulapeloBrasil/status/858000208986353664 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUcOcB0jqOc
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Freezer posted:Could someone outline the most outrageous points in the labor reform? If an employee is injured or dies while working, and the employer is to blame, the damages are proportional to the wages.
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I've never been more disheartened by my country. It's not even over the success/failure of the strike*. Just the general mood and the quality of the debate. People I thought were smart and moderate openly calling for mass arrests and executions of undesirables. Types who were rabidly anti-corruption affecting a jaw-unhinging yawn at the nakedly, bizarrely dysfunctional government they helped put in place. Former friends descending to grade-school level 'trolling' of each other. At this point the only question will be who will be the pre-fab parachuted savior who will be anointed as the Great Moderate Hope and return everything to the normality of paying interest, keeping your mouth shut and wanting to be like the boss, with plentiful nightstick blows to anyone who objects, if they are ever noticed at all. *- I never had expectations for that in the first place, to be honest. Strikes and demonstrations are a known quantity at this point, easy to deflect/demonize or lionize according to what the narratives of power require. They'll hasten the fall of truly moribund governments that already lost all other media/institutional once in a while, but no more. You could have clogged every single street in Brazil with ten million people and it'd still have gone back to business as usual the next monday.
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Apr 29, 2017 19:09
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Freezer posted:Could someone outline the most outrageous points in the labor reform? It allows for employees to collectively bargain worse conditions than those established by current law, while at the same time making any union fees optional (i.e., similar to the American "right to work" laws).
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Sephyr posted:Just the general mood and the quality of the debate. People I thought were smart and moderate openly calling for mass arrests and executions of undesirables. Types who were rabidly anti-corruption affecting a jaw-unhinging yawn at the nakedly, bizarrely dysfunctional government they helped put in place. Former friends descending to grade-school level 'trolling' of each other. I've never met a smart right wing brazilian. They only come in Libertarian and straight up fascist stances. I may not agree with ring wing people but I do socialize and discuss poo poo with them since they have a general set of ideas that can be discussed. With Brazillians pending to the right the conversation starts and ends with me being che guevara's son who supports FARC and the Cuban doctors who spread cultural marxism in the favelas.
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Apr 30, 2017 15:00
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New labor law being proposed in Brazil so rural worker can be paid with lodging and meals instead of actual wages. At this point I think even the princes in Saudi Arabia are looking at us and shaking their heads. "These guys are way too backwards..."
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May 2, 2017 19:02
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It's not just that: http://www.valor.com.br/politica/4953786/leis-do-trabalho-rural-devem-mudar They will also be able to "sell" their vacations back to their bosses, work up to 12 hours a day "if necessary," and work 18 days straight without a break. But the real evil part of the proposal is this: It will now be up only to the ministry of agriculture to regulate how pesticides are handled, and the ministry of health and the ministry of labor are excluded from the process, and eliminates the requirement to decontaminate security related equipment after use.
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May 2, 2017 19:44
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"Hey Antonio, I'm buying your vacations for 40 bucks. I need you cutting sugar cane next week." "But I am traveling to see my family! It's been 2 years!" "Actually it's just 30 bucks now. Or you're just fired and then you can spend lots of time with them, I guess." Negotiating with the boss is such a boon.
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May 2, 2017 21:13
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Except instead of using money they can use lodging plus food: "I will need you to work next week, so you won't be able to go home to see your family. I'll pay you an extra 40 bucks for it. Now, since you will need to be here next week and will be eating my food, I will be paying those 40 bucks in the lodging and food you will be taking up"
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May 2, 2017 22:26
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So a "job" for lodging and food is just serfdom, right?
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May 2, 2017 23:59
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Badger of Basra posted:So a "job" for lodging and food is just serfdom, right? Indentured service. Kudos for doing away with the pretense that wageslavery was anything but, I guess.
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May 3, 2017 00:32
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I know all Latin American leftists are invested in proving that their own country has the worst fachos, but I gotta hand it to the Brazilian right wing, I can't think of any other gang that straight-up literally sought to reinstate serfdom. They're the worst, competition over.
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May 3, 2017 05:34
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Yeah, if anything it is a rather terrifying for people outside of Latin America as well. It seems that the Brazilian government really has geared up for an economic war against the population itself.
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May 3, 2017 07:25
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When I said I missed the 90s this isn't what I meant. E: this is actually worse than the 90s
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May 3, 2017 07:33
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The Brazillian political class has realized they can get away with anything given general apathy and media control/support, and anything is exactly what they are going to do.
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May 3, 2017 11:19
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Are they gonna call the lodging the senzala or would that be too on the nose?
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May 3, 2017 14:53
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ZearothK posted:The Brazillian political class has realized they can get away with anything given general apathy and media control/support, and anything is exactly what they are going to do. Yeah, valor economico itself describes the law as a necessary step so as not to treat rural workers as "coitadinhos" ("poor little things").
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May 3, 2017 15:17
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So Brazil is reinstating feudalism? Did I read that right?
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May 3, 2017 22:18
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You mean boldly modernizing labor relations away from a paternalistic culture of victimization in order to save us from the bolsheviks.
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May 3, 2017 22:59
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:When I said I missed the 90s this isn't what I meant. This is worse than the 1930s
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May 5, 2017 03:07
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How hosed up that all of this is being rammed through during, technically, Dilma's term.
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May 5, 2017 04:52
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I missed this thread. And thank you for providing the translations so this filthy gringo can educate himself on LatAm politics.
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Yeah, that's definitely how people remember the first year of a president with 10% approval rating. Ethics and respect for public funds, my rear end.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39892553quote:A Mexican businesswoman who headed a group of 600 families searching for their disappeared relatives has been killed. Miriam Rodríguez Martínez was shot in her home in the town of San Fernando in Tamaulipas state. She was known for successfully investigating the kidnap and murder of her daughter by a local drug cartel, the Zetas. The thing that worries me is that you tend to see these kinds articles shortly before societies begin to undergo collapse of one degree or another.
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lollontee posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39892553 Hasn't this kind of news been coming out from Mexico for the better part of this decade?
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joepinetree posted:It's not just that: But see if it wans't for Temer you'd be ~~~~~~~Venezuela~~~~~~~ by now!!
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May 13, 2017 14:44
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MiddleOne posted:Hasn't this kind of news been coming out from Mexico for the better part of this decade? Brazen assassination of civil society leaders represents a bit of an escalation of the trend I think, but sure. You can't ever predict when a revolution ignites, but they do tend to happen after one too many vegetable sellers self-immolate after their stall is broken. Personally I'm a bit astonished there hasn't been any major violent retaliation by the people against drug gang members. Or maybe there has been and I'm just ignorant? Anyway, this sort of poo poo just seems to me to be the kind of crap that makes for mob violence and lynchings and all that good stuff.
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A revolution against whom? The cartels? The currenct cycle of insane ultraviolence started because the state finally made a few token efforts to crack down on them. Look up narcocorridos. Mexico is hosed.
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People are afraid. They're not gonna make a concerted effort to attack drug cartels and risk their lives — plus, drug lords quite often more supportive of their community than the government itself. There's a reason why Pablo Escobar became a folk hero, you know. It's not like there isn't popular backlash against criminals, but it's the random pickpocket dude getting lynched, or support for insane people that believe all we need to solve the issue is even more violence.
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Whoops, forgot to adress that part. But yeah, I guess it's a bit hard to revolt against someone who doesn't have a flag. But if I've understood the situation, zetas et al don't really care much about hiding their identities inside communities, since they know they've got nothing to fear from anyone. Why not throw a firebomb or two into a ganghouse or something? As for why the violence has exploded, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. A combination of diminishing smuggling routes due to increased American border surveillance combined with the collapse of old gangs and resulting power struggles and so on. I guess I just don't get what life in a cartel society means in practice. Note that I'm not advocating for more violence or anything like that, I just can't wrap my head around why these attacks seem to go on without... Well, retaliations.
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Successful organized crime groups 1. destabilize government services, then 2. supplant them to gain community support, then 3. goto 10. This is basically the pattern the world over, it's just that the Mexican cartels have been incredibly successful at it, in no small part because they have a ton of money to work with and an insatiable demand for drugs.
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lollontee posted:Whoops, forgot to adress that part. But yeah, I guess it's a bit hard to revolt against someone who doesn't have a flag. But if I've understood the situation, zetas et al don't really care much about hiding their identities inside communities, since they know they've got nothing to fear from anyone. Why not throw a firebomb or two into a ganghouse or something? Because they would straight up murder you with even less hesitation than the state?
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Badger of Basra posted:Because they would straight up murder you with even less hesitation than the state? In a very brutal manner, and very likely your entire family as well so no one has ideas. Except for the young women.
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ZearothK posted:In a very brutal manner, and very likely your entire family as well so no one has ideas. Except for the young women. I think they would murder the young women too. Eventually.
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