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A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

cthulhoo posted:

post your tumblr

I wasn't aware all gay people were tumblrinas now. Why didn't I get a loving memo?

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crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

QuantaStarFire posted:

- Starting the game in a relationship

this was actually the thing I found most baffling about Twitcher 3, that apparently I was supposed to be in love with this chick from my distant past I hadn't spoken to in years from the outset. if Geralt's motivation had just been to reconnect with her, that'd've been fine, and maybe I could then have decided I wanted to bone her if I actually liked her. but no, apparently I had to be all mutant puppy love. no room for "ex I'd like to get on better terms with," CDPR? my confidence in Bethesda's ability to handle this more adultily is nil.

Meta-Mollusk
May 2, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer

crawlkill posted:

all Bethesda games since Oblivion have looked good in previews. we've been burned three times before.

This. I was super excited about F3 and Skyrim. They looked so fun in the trailers, yet both of them were shallow and buggy with terrible combat and braindead writing. I'm sure F4 will be slightly better than either of them, but the writing will probably be as bad as usual, and I don't really enjoy games like Minecraft so the new gimmick of crafting everything yourself and building houses doesn't sound all that exciting.

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

Meta-Mollusk posted:

This. I was super excited about F3 and Skyrim. They looked so fun in the trailers, yet both of them were shallow and buggy with terrible combat and braindead writing. I'm sure F4 will be slightly better than either of them, but the writing will probably be as bad as usual, and I don't really enjoy games like Minecraft so the new gimmick of crafting everything yourself and building houses doesn't sound all that exciting.

where were you naysayers hours ago when the droolers were ganging up on me

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

A. Beaverhausen posted:

I wasn't aware all gay people were tumblrinas now. Why didn't I get a loving memo?

if you srsly care that a fictional character in a video game has a predefined sexual orientation which may differ from your own, yeah you're pretty much one of those

oh no i am gay i cant play as a (maybe) straight nameless pseudo-50s guy eeewww

next step is whining on twitter for bethesda to implement gender sliders because your panromantic demisexual multiple system-kin is not on the list

cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Jun 15, 2015

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

Meta-Mollusk posted:

This. I was super excited about F3 and Skyrim. They looked so fun in the trailers, yet both of them were shallow and buggy with terrible combat and braindead writing. I'm sure F4 will be slightly better than either of them, but the writing will probably be as bad as usual, and I don't really enjoy games like Minecraft so the new gimmick of crafting everything yourself and building houses doesn't sound all that exciting.

whats that about writing

Monster w21 Faces
May 11, 2006

"What the fuck is that?"
"What the fuck is this?!"
I hate dogs. I hope someone makes a giant house cat mod.

cthulhoo posted:

whats that about writing



Aggh yes, his literal lines and not summary's at all.

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

cthulhoo posted:

if you srsly care that a fictional character in a video game has a predefined sexual orientation which may differ from your own, yeah you're pretty much one of those

oh no i am gay i cant play as a straight nameless pseudo-50s guy eeewww

as has been asked before in the thread, you think the audience would respond the same way if they were expected to play someone who was mandatorily gay? because they definitely wouldn't

anyway, that's not even the point. it's just another reason why de-ciphering the main character into a specific person is out of the Fallout tradition.

megalodong
Mar 11, 2008

cthulhoo posted:

if you srsly care that a fictional character in a video game has a predefined sexual orientation which may differ from your own, yeah you're pretty much one of those

oh no i am gay i cant play as a straight nameless pseudo-50s guy eeewww

There is, as i'm sure you're well aware, a difference between "i would like to be able to play as a gay character for once" and "why is my character not a transethnic otherkin demisexual aromantic?"

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Monster w21 Faces posted:

I hate dogs. I hope someone makes a giant house cat mod.


Also it doesn't obey your commands at all and just runs on its own AI.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

megalodong posted:

There is, as i'm sure you're well aware, a difference between "i would like to be able to play as a gay character for once" and "why is my character not a transethnic otherkin demisexual aromantic?"

its a game about hiking and shooting molerats, nobody cares about your gender adventures, be they hetero to homo or vice versa, hth

also sex stuff in videogames is universally cringeworthy and stupid

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

I never thought I'd do this horrible thing, but...fixed

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

Neeksy posted:

Also it doesn't obey your commands at all and just runs on its own AI.

you mean sits at home, plots your demise

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 16 days!
once the game starts you can mince round in a pink dress and suck all the confirmed bachelor dick you want, get over it.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

a global nuclear holocaust is a hella way to come out imo

be proud

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

cthulhoo posted:

its a game about hiking and shooting molerats, nobody cares about your gender adventures, be they hetero to homo or vice versa, hth

also sex stuff in videogames is universally cringeworthy and stupid

yeah, and they're including cringeworthy family values poo poo as a mandatory element, which any sane person would as soon avoid

that said, there's always been fucktons of sex in Fallout games, and in the isometric era there was no awful "sexy naked models" stuff to make it loathsome. it was entirely untitillating and unporny. mostly it was either goofy or slightly hard-bitten "we take our pleasure where we can" wastelandy stuff. much more often goofy.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

megalodong posted:

There is, as i'm sure you're well aware, a difference between "i would like to be able to play as a gay character for once" and "why is my character not a transethnic otherkin demisexual aromantic?"

I get the idea that people would like a set-story protagonist to break the mold instead of being some hetero (and usually white) dude, but it seems like the arguments are going for "MY IMMERSION IS RUINED" than pointing out rightly that very few games go for the "nonstandard" route for protagonist orientations and backgrounds and only let people choose to express these characterizations as long as it has no effect on the story.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

crawlkill posted:

yeah, and they're including cringeworthy family values poo poo as a mandatory element, which any sane person would as soon avoid

ah yes, cis-family, a thing uncommon in a 50s america, commonly populated by gay civil unions and rainbow-making GBS threads unicorns

yes im sure this has been implemented to clench the collective anus of twitter progressives, goddamnit bethesda did it again :argh:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

cthulhoo posted:

a global nuclear holocaust is a hella way to come out imo

be proud

Flaming. And not just because the heat from the nuclear blasts set everything on fire.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Oh great now it's going to be a cat tangent

Is there a bingo card or something for this

crawlkill posted:

yeah, and they're including cringeworthy family values poo poo as a mandatory element, which any sane person would as soon avoid

that said, there's always been fucktons of sex in Fallout games, and in the isometric era there was no awful "sexy naked models" stuff to make it loathsome. it was entirely untitillating and unporny. mostly it was either goofy or slightly hard-bitten "we take our pleasure where we can" wastelandy stuff. much more often goofy.

They call me The Polish Hammer

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Seriously this is a game about shooty lasers and robots and giant mutant scorpions, why do some of y'all care so much about the most tiresome manifestations of loving gender politics?

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

cthulhoo posted:

ah yes, cis-family, a thing uncommon in a 50s america, commonly populated by gay civil unions and rainbow-making GBS threads unicorns

yes im sure this has been implemented to clench the collective anus of twitter progressives, goddamnit bethesda did it again :argh:

that's been gone for 200 years

oops

the question is what value it adds to a series that's never imposed any kind of identity on its PC. it's not just about sex and gender. it's about not having to be that person. the decision to do a voiced protagonist who's a specific individual with a distinct past is a break, maybe the final break, with what the good Fallouts were.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Seriously this is a game about shooty lasers and robots and giant mutant scorpions, why do some of y'all care so much about loving gender politics?

let me, a liberal arts major, tell you why this is super important:

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

cthulhoo posted:

if you srsly care that a fictional character in a video game has a predefined sexual orientation which may differ from your own, yeah you're pretty much one of those

oh no i am gay i cant play as a (maybe) straight nameless pseudo-50s guy eeewww

next step is whining on twitter for bethesda to implement gender sliders because your panromantic demisexual multiple system-kin is not on the list

it's just indicative of how rail roaded you are into Bethesda characterization, you could be gay in the previous games, you could be a cannibal, or whatever, it was just a couple lines. but here you start married, with a child and a bunch of other poo poo you have no control other. in New Vegas you were just a dude that got shot in the head, end of story, now play the game.

Now you're going to have to go through the motion of pretend parenthood every time you start a new game, isn't that awesome.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

cthulhoo posted:

let me, a liberal arts major, tell you why this is super important:

I'm a loving liberal arts major and even I don't care.

crawlkill posted:

that's been gone for 200 years

oops

the question is what value it adds to a series that's never imposed any kind of identity on its PC. it's not just about sex and gender. it's about not having to be that person. the decision to do a voiced protagonist who's a specific individual with a distinct past is a break, maybe the final break, with what the good Fallouts were.

You must be a hoot at the parties nobody ever invites you to.

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

crawlkill posted:

that's been gone for 200 years

as far as i remember from the trailer, the cringeworthy family bits happen before the holocaust

oops

closeted republican
Sep 9, 2005

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Seriously this is a game about shooty lasers and robots and giant mutant scorpions, why do some of y'all care so much about the most tiresome manifestations of loving gender politics?

It's all about feeling smart and looking morally superior.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
This video game where you fight giant mutated chameleons in an alternate history is fatally flawed because it doesn't have a respectful portrayal of the struggles of gay men during the early days of the AIDS epidemic.

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

I'm a loving liberal arts major and even I don't care.

You must be a hoot at the parties nobody ever invites you to.

you're a real bright light on forum threads is all I know

cthulhoo posted:

as far as i remember from the trailer, the cringeworthy family bits happen before the holocaust

oops

not an answer to what value it adds

seriously if you don't care then telling the internet over and over about how much you don't care isn't the best way to prove that

but when has pointing that out ever worked

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

Kurtofan posted:

it's just indicative of how rail roaded you are into Bethesda characterization, you could be gay in the previous games, you could be a cannibal, or whatever, it was just a couple lines. but here you start married, with a child and a bunch of other poo poo you have no control other. in New Vegas you were just a dude that got shot in the head, end of story, now play the game.

Now you're going to have to go through the motion of pretend parenthood every time you start a new game, isn't that awesome.

"oh no i was railroaded into being a released prisoner in morrowind, boo loving hoo"

bethesda games always had a specific beginning, then again there always were alternate start mods, so don't worry, if nobody makes you a gay cannibal starter pack, you'll be able to cook one perfectly matching your fetishes in the construction kit

closeted republican
Sep 9, 2005

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:


You must be a hoot at the parties nobody ever invites you to.

As that wasn't obvious enough from his previous meltdowns.

Catalyst-proof
May 11, 2011

better waste some time with you

cthulhoo posted:

whats that about writing



lol

PRESS X to REACT IN HORROR AT THE TERROR THAT IS NOW YOUR LIFE

This is much better than New Vegas.

QuantaStarFire
May 18, 2006


Grimey Drawer

cthulhoo posted:

as far as i remember from the trailer, the cringeworthy family bits happen before the holocaust

oops

Which themselves take place 120 years after the 1950s

oops

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Still, at least the E3 trailer shut people up about farming and the agronomic aspects of the post-2077 wasteland.

crawlkill
Feb 20, 2014

closeted republican posted:

As that wasn't obvious enough from his previous meltdowns.

which ones were those? this is like the fifth time I've engaged with an SA thread

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Seriously this is a game about shooty lasers and robots and giant mutant scorpions, why do some of y'all care so much about the most tiresome manifestations of loving gender politics?

It's a role playing game, I'd like the choice of not having to roleplay as a family man. Just the fact that they implemented thousands of names for the baby means they won't shut up about this aspect of the game.

it's the Fallout 3 Dad all over again.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Jun 15, 2015

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

crawlkill posted:

that's been gone for 200 years

oops

the question is what value it adds to a series that's never imposed any kind of identity on its PC. it's not just about sex and gender. it's about not having to be that person. the decision to do a voiced protagonist who's a specific individual with a distinct past is a break, maybe the final break, with what the good Fallouts were.

What if, get this, the liberalization of sexuality only became a big thing in their society after it all blew up and they were no longer living in a fascistic pretend 1950s-land. And since this particular protagonist lived in the prewar era…

cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

QuantaStarFire posted:

Which themselves take place 120 years after the 1950s

oops

what? fallout does not take place in literal fifties? holy poo poo

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

megalodong posted:

You know the settlement stuff will be like every similar openworld game thing ever right?

It'll look great for the first couple of hours, endless possibilities, and then all the limitations will become apparent and you'll never touch it again.

Nah.

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cthulhoo
Jun 18, 2012

Kurtofan posted:

It's a role playing game, I'd like the choice of not having to roleplay as a family man. Just the fact that they implemented thousands of names for the baby means they won't shut up about this aspect of the game.

i'd like to roleplay a family man

mandatory dad jokes for every dialog option, bring it on bethesda

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