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Acebuckeye13 posted:This classic article covers most of it, but the tl;dr is that Germany didn't have any way to transport troops to Britain or support them if they got there, and what little planning for the operation that did occur indicates that it would have been a collosal disaster. This is still my favorite article. I think the best part is where they only had enough life vests for one wave, so they told the soldiers "Just take them off and throw them back on the boats so we can reuse them!" But there were two problems: 1. The life vests were worn under their packs, so they needed to remove their packs to take the life vests off before they could actually get around to shooting back at the British. 2. Nobody had been assigned to bring the life vests back to the barges and the barges were given strict orders to leave immediately after the troops were out, so in practice every life vest for the entire invasion would have either been in a pile on the beach or floating on a corpse after the first wave. Also, the Free Republic thread had some neat analysis of how a Red vs. Blue civil war in the United States would go and someone suggested a Hearts of Iron-style wargame be made about it (like how even if the right-wing rural areas hold lots of oil fields and farms, these are separate from one another and smuggling supply lines would be necessary).
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chitoryu12 posted:Also, the Free Republic thread had some neat analysis of how a Red vs. Blue civil war in the United States would go and someone suggested a Hearts of Iron-style wargame be made about it (like how even if the right-wing rural areas hold lots of oil fields and farms, these are separate from one another and smuggling supply lines would be necessary). More accurate analysis: "Holy poo poo, it is hot out here, and I have to carry HOW much on my back, and I can't use my phone at ALL? Guys this sucks, I am going home, I thought this would be more like me getting to use my tricked out AR to cap liberals"
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Even more accurate analysis: Everyone dies! The end, no moral.
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bewbies posted:More accurate analysis: "Holy poo poo, it is hot out here, and I have to carry HOW much on my back, and I can't use my phone at ALL? Guys this sucks, I am going home, I thought this would be more like me getting to use my tricked out AR to cap liberals" Oh yeah, the realistic ending is inevitably all the "fighters" saying "Gee, I'd love to help out but I've got this dad-gummed bum knee and I need insulin, but I'm supporting you from afar!" I just think rural vs. urban civil war would be a neat wargame, dealing with supply lines guarded by federal government vehicles and the lack of resources that cities ordinarily provide (like factory parts and refined fuels). It would be an experiment in how long the rural insurgency could last and how much damage it could do before collapsing.
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What uniforms are these dapper ladies wearing? Are they likely to be wearing them because they serve in whatever force wears said uniforms or is this a ye olde cosplay thing? e: seriously tho peep that jaunty angle of her fancy plumed hat bloom fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Oh yeah, the realistic ending is inevitably all the "fighters" saying "Gee, I'd love to help out but I've got this dad-gummed bum knee and I need insulin, but I'm supporting you from afar!" You just make the rurals live in walled villages divided into units of 1000 each and hold clan leaders accountable for everyone with their family name. If that doesn't work you just execute all family within 9 degrees of relation. Bing bong so simple.
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bloom posted:What uniforms are these dapper ladies wearing? The one on the right is wearing a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czapka I'm pretty sure, which giving the Cyrillic at the bottom of the picture implies Polish/Russian cavalry (lancers).
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bloom posted:What uniforms are these dapper ladies wearing? It was a thing that members of the royal family would have a regiment that was nominally "theirs". Those guys are probably romanovs, from the double eagle and the Russian Federal Archive watermark, but this is Viktoria Luise of Preußen:  in the uniform of the 2nd life guard hussars that she was technically commanding.
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chitoryu12 posted:Oh yeah, the realistic ending is inevitably all the "fighters" saying "Gee, I'd love to help out but I've got this dad-gummed bum knee and I need insulin, but I'm supporting you from afar!" The most recent wave of secessionist bluster was out of California, so a more realistic scenario would be a federal army full of southern rednecks marching on San Francisco as they desperately try to retool the Juicero factory to make munitions.
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Tunicate posted:There's a similar gag about top gear, noting that the moment a Scottish or Welsh person becomes famous or notable for anything good, they change to being from scotland or wales to being from the united kingdom. This is a running joke about Irish people too, except with a smidge more bitterness.
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Just thread FYI: The Death of Stalin is now in limited Art house release in the USA deleted scenes The cold war thread has been discussing it, subject has turned to educating people what a monster Beria was 
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just thread FYI: The Death of Stalin is now in limited Art house release in the USA I'm really annoyed since it played last friday in Ann Arbor and I didn't take the opportunity to see it, and now it's not listed as playing anywhere near me anytime soon.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just thread FYI: The Death of Stalin is now in limited Art house release in the USA Isaacs plays a wonderful Zhukov in this film. Just hilarious one liners in every scene hes in.
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Got burnt out a teensy bit after that long entry.JcDent posted:The maps should be placed before the big part, I think. Noted, thanks. JcDent posted:If it's all OK, I'd like to share the post on my blog. Feel free. Might want to take a glance through for silly errors (made by me - I try to leave as much of the original in there as regards spelling etc. It seems that the army had decided that they had paid extra for those typewriters with full stops and shift keys and they better get full use out of them , dammit!) 13th KRRC War Diary, 10th Mar 1918 posted:Everything is more or less quiet now and the usual routine proceeds. Many bombs, stores, Very Lights, S.O.S. Rockets etc. are being sent up to the Companies. Rations were taken up to "B" and "D" Companies by a party from "A" and "C" Coys under 2nd Lieut TAYLOR, who has reported from leave. 13th KRRC War Diary, 11th Mar 1918 posted:RESERVE AREA. 13th KRRC War Diary, 12th Mar 1918 posted:The day was at the disposal of the Coy Commanders. Baths were allotted to the Battalion at VIVJERHOEK and about 150 men were bathed and received clean clothes.
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aphid_licker posted:It was a thing that members of the royal family would have a regiment that was nominally "theirs". Those guys are probably romanovs, from the double eagle and the Russian Federal Archive watermark, but this is Viktoria Luise of Preußen: Also it looks like the Cyrillic across the bottom makes a clear reference to Russia (POCCNNCKON, something like 'Rossiyaskoi/Rossiyaskaya' I think?)
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FAUXTON posted:Also it looks like the Cyrillic across the bottom makes a clear reference to Russia (POCCNNCKON, something like 'Rossiyaskoi/Rossiyaskaya' I think?) It translates to "State Archive of the Russian Federation".
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In hindsight I feel like a dumb-dumb for not spotting the double eagle. In my defense, whiskey. Still curious if someone can figure out exactly who they and their regiments were.
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Kopijeger posted:It translates to "State Archive of the Russian Federation". Oh, that's what the other poster meant by the Russian archive watermark. Welp, that probably doesn't identify it cleanly one way or the other beyond showing it is held within the post-Soviet Russian archives, unless Imperial or Soviet Russia ever called itself a 'Federation.'
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bloom posted:In hindsight I feel like a dumb-dumb for not spotting the double eagle. In my defense, whiskey. Do a Google reverse image search and you'll find out that it's the grand duchesses Olga and Tatyana Nikolaevna, daughters of Nick II. Olga was the nominal head of her namesake hussar regiment and Tatyana had an ulan regiment.
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bloom posted:In hindsight I feel like a dumb-dumb for not spotting the double eagle. In my defense, whiskey. https://velkokneznamaria.deviantart.com/art/Hussar-and-Uhlan-102739882 There you go. Note the dates of death of both women - they presumably got shot in a basement. 
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The one on the left is easy, It is the Prussian Hussar regiment that used the deaths head insignia before the SS decided it was cool.
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Nenonen posted:Olga was the nominal head of her namesake hussar regiment and Tatyana had an ulan regiment. Think they ever had their regiments fight each other?
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feedmegin posted:https://velkokneznamaria.deviantart.com/art/Hussar-and-Uhlan-102739882 Arent those two of the Romanov daughters? In which case they definitely got murdered.
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bloom posted:In hindsight I feel like a dumb-dumb for not spotting the double eagle. In my defense, whiskey. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_(%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B0) Великие княжны Ольга и Татьяна Николаевны в парадных мундирах «своих» подшефных полков, 1910 год. Grand, uh, Knjashes, I think that's a Duke, Olga and Tatjana Nikolajewitsh in Parade, uh, presumably dress/uniform of "their" podshefnich, no idea, squadrons, 1910 year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchess_Olga_Nikolaevna_of_Russia Knjaz is a Duke, Knjazhna is a Duchess, Knjazhni are apparently Duchesses so I learned multiple things today. I can't find anything about what regiment they nominally commanded in the english wiki and reading cyrillic gives me major migraine bc I'm so bad at it so  e: beaten like a Romanov in a basement e: OctaviusBeaver posted:The most recent wave of secessionist bluster was out of California, so a more realistic scenario would be a federal army full of southern rednecks marching on San Francisco as they desperately try to retool the Juicero factory to make munitions. aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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FAUXTON posted:Also it looks like the Cyrillic across the bottom makes a clear reference to Russia (POCCNNCKON, something like 'Rossiyaskoi/Rossiyaskaya' I think?) rossiyskoy, if anyone is curious
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Saint Celestine posted:Arent those two of the Romanov daughters? In which case they definitely got murdered. Yep. That was exactly my point.
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Nenonen posted:Do a Google reverse image search and you'll find out that it's the grand duchesses Olga and Tatyana Nikolaevna, daughters of Nick II. Olga was the nominal head of her namesake hussar regiment and Tatyana had an ulan regiment. feedmegin posted:https://velkokneznamaria.deviantart.com/art/Hussar-and-Uhlan-102739882 Thank you both. feedmegin posted:they presumably got shot in a basement. oh noooooo  Tatyana and her jaunty czapka deserved better goddamnit.On that note, I wonder why wearing headgear at a funny angle seems to be so lastingly popular. I'm basing this entirely on the source of my rear end, but I'd swear I've seen photos of people wearing various hats in a rude and rowdy fashion from pretty much every time and place since photos were invented. There must have been roman legionnaires back in the day getting yelled at for wearing their helmets like assholes. And you just know HG's dudes had some next level ways of putting on a fancy feathered hat.
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Gosudarstvennoi arkhiv rossiskoi federazii. Kind of a bummer that I stopped learning Russian, it was fun. e: I mean not that anything is stopping me from picking it up again but 
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The jaunty hat has always been a tongue in cheek thing through history and I love it. It looks pimping on shakos.
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On a completely different note, I know there's a few finns itt(weirdly large amount of finns on SA in general), and I'm wondering if any of you happen to know how legit of a historian Lasse Laaksonen is? Quick googling tells me he teaches at Helsinki Uni and has been published a bunch of times before, but I'm nowhere near enough of an academic to know if that means poo poo. Reason I ask is because I'm currently waiting to get his Viina, hermot, rangaistukset : sotilasylijohdon henkilökohtaiset ongelmat 1918-1945(Booze, nerves and punishments: Personal problems of military high command 1918-1945) from the library and I'm curious how confidently I can quote funny anecdotes from it.
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aphid_licker posted:Grand, uh, Knjashes, I think that's a Duke, Olga and Tatjana Nikolajewitsh in Parade, uh, presumably dress/uniform of "their" podshefnich, no idea, squadrons, 1910 year. Knjaz is usually translated as "Prince". The female version is княгиня (knjagina), but a княжна (knjazjna) is the daughter of a knjaz. Podsjefnyj means something like "under patronage", while polk usually means regiment. So they are daughters of the grand prince wearing the uniform of the regiments under their patronage.
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Kopijeger posted:Knjaz is usually translated as "Prince". The female version is княгиня (knjagina), but a княжна (knjazjna) is the daughter of a knjaz. Podsjefnyj means something like "under patronage", while polk usually means regiment. So they are daughters of the grand prince wearing the uniform of the regiments under their patronage. Whoops. Thanks!
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bewbies posted:More accurate analysis: "Holy poo poo, it is hot out here, and I have to carry HOW much on my back, and I can't use my phone at ALL? Guys this sucks, I am going home, I thought this would be more like me getting to use my tricked out AR to cap liberals" Showing up to the revolution like 
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bloom posted:On a completely different note, I know there's a few finns itt(weirdly large amount of finns on SA in general), and I'm wondering if any of you happen to know how legit of a historian Lasse Laaksonen is? Quick googling tells me he teaches at Helsinki Uni and has been published a bunch of times before, but I'm nowhere near enough of an academic to know if that means poo poo. Lehtonen is legit, his dissertation (published in book form as Todellisuus ja harhat) about the final days of Winter War deals largely with the personal conflicts of the generals. 
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bloom posted:On a completely different note, I know there's a few finns itt(weirdly large amount of finns on SA in general), and I'm wondering if any of you happen to know how legit of a historian Lasse Laaksonen is? Quick googling tells me he teaches at Helsinki Uni and has been published a bunch of times before, but I'm nowhere near enough of an academic to know if that means poo poo. I'm not really knowledgeable of the academic side of history so I'm unable to evaluate his scientific output. He's a a docent in a bunch of places and the standard for that is commonly something like "research output worth two good PhDs". Most of his works seem to be about Winter War. How familiar are you with the concept of docenture in the Finnish academia? Since about 2010 its simply an additional honorific and not a staff position or anything like that. His ORCID page says he is currently a docent in the University of Helsinki, but the staff listing only has an email address without a staff position and lists him under "outsiders". In the University of Eastern Finland he is similarly listed as a docent but does not seem to hold any staff positions. The National Defense University rather obviously does not have a public facing personnel listing so  At the least he has done a few PhDs worth of solid research.
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I publicly take offense to the transliterations posted in this thread gosudarstvenn'y arkhiv rossiyskoy federatsiy we post in english therefore the transliteration should ape english pronunciation as hard as possible.
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Loezi posted:How familiar are you with the concept of docenture in the Finnish academia? So unfamiliar I find it hard to express in words. Had a brief fling with higher education when I was young, quickly realized I'd much rather do physical labor for a living and read interesting things as a hobby. Anyway I'll be sure to translate a few choice bits from the book for this thread, since my lurking tells me ya'll are extremely into generals(all soldiers, really) getting drunk and rowdy. May be a while though unless I can get my librarian buddy to punt me to the front of the reservation queue.
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Kopijeger posted:Knjaz is usually translated as "Prince". The female version is княгиня (knjagina), but a княжна (knjazjna) is the daughter of a knjaz. Podsjefnyj means something like "under patronage", while polk usually means regiment. So they are daughters of the grand prince wearing the uniform of the regiments under their patronage.
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