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MariusLecter posted:That the imperium has been able to keep this level of propaganda going for 10k years without going completely bonkers with the telephone game is pretty amazing. Oh, the details are completely lost I'm sure. They're lucky if they have all the names of the nine primarchs right. At least one in M41 is probably spelled funny. Speaking of lore, you should all follow Oculus Imperia. His conceit is that the narrator is one of Guilliman's historitors, digging into previously forbidden archives to put together a real history of the Imperium. He started with the Unifcation Wars on terra and just finished the Istvan Massacres. Of all the 40k lore people I follow, he's the clear favorite. The character is a good idea, and his delivery is just so pleasant to listen to. I like Luetin09, he does good backround videos, if he's sometimes too wordy. And also high. Really, really high when he's writing scripts for theories about the Emperor's origins or the nature of time and the warp. Good stuff. Arbitor Ian did a nice series on each legion, and some book club-style Black Library reviews that are good listens as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMFI8waM8rs Ave Imperator. Gloria in exelsis Terra.
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MariusLecter posted:In the climax to Carrion Throne, the protag inquisitor finds himself deep in the bowels of the palace and sees depictions of the holy primarchs, then asks out loud "Why are there 18 of them?" It's definitely 20. As an inquisitor he is aware that the 9 devils who fought the heresy against the emperor were traitor primarchs, he is not aware there were 20 and was very confused. Your average imperial menial just knows there were 9 devils from the warp or outer dark led by Horus but is unaware they were primarchs. Higher class people often know they were traitor primarchs. Of course, this also varies on different worlds throughout the imperium but in general is how things stand.
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Nov 4, 2022 05:30
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There are at least 2 big culture groups on every Imperial planet: the local planetary culture, with whatever amount of Imperial influence has been imposed on it, and the nobility culture, which is strongly Imperial and where everyone speaks High Gothic and probably has more in common with nobles from another planet than they do with their own people.
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MariusLecter posted:the imperium…without going completely bonkers [Citation needed]
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Sometimes the Emperor is a guy who pulls the sun around from the back of his chariot, sometimes he's basically a budget Jesus Christ, sometimes he's a cool cyborg Neptune. Just as the actual religion has no real consistency* the interpretations of the Heresy vary wildly too. It's the greatest strength this setting, the only constants in the Imperium are zealotry and oppression, but they are expressed and experienced in many forms. *As mentioned, outside the more cosmopolitan upper classes, since they're the only ones with the means and ability to interact with other Imperial cultures. Well, them and the army I guess but for different reasons.
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Nov 4, 2022 12:17
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Sometimes the Emperor is a kindly grandfather who just cares for his children and wants them all to grow strong with his gifts, assisted by his favourite son. and then that evil bastard of the Anathema turns up and everyone gets Exterminatused
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wiegieman posted:There are at least 2 big culture groups on every Imperial planet: the local planetary culture, with whatever amount of Imperial influence has been imposed on it, and the nobility culture, which is strongly Imperial and where everyone speaks High Gothic and probably has more in common with nobles from another planet than they do with their own people. Soooo....British Empire?
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bunnyofdoom posted:Soooo....British Empire? Or Roman.
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British Empire aping the Roman Empire by having Latin mottos and noble's kids learning "the classics" in school as if it means anything. Ye know, like Boris.
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Basically. The Cult of the Emperor is like the old christians, they'd take any legend that remotely looked close to what the official line was and with a few retellings bring it closer and closer to the "party line". On another topic, I will say that one thing that the more modern books have gotten very good about is making the Marines feel like they're different from the average joe. I started re-reading the old Grey Knights books and it threw me that the Main Character feels so human. It's a stark contrast from the more modern books where there's a very clear effort to make sure you know that the Astartes are trans human. And you can tell it was written 15+ years ago, because it has the old "status quo" 13th black crusade, and the Grey Knights are operating openly around Arbites.
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Having finally gotten my hands on Brothers of the Snake it's funny that Dan thinks he didn't have a handle on Space Marines there, because he really did nail the alien mindset pretty well.
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Finished Assassinorum Kingmaker Enjoyed it, would recommend. I thought from the premise there would be a lot of Knight action, which there is some of, but it's mostly about an Assassination team going to work. It's basically Nemesis done right.
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Arquinsiel posted:Having finally gotten my hands on Brothers of the Snake it's funny that Dan thinks he didn't have a handle on Space Marines there, because he really did nail the alien mindset pretty well. Follow that up with the Urdesh books, some characters show up in those. They're also excellent for Guard/Space Marine/Saint stuff. They aren't bolter porn, they're bolter erotica.
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Deptfordx posted:Finished Assassinorum Kingmaker I liked it as well. My only little niggle was how human the assassins came across with stuff like office politics and the like. I always thought the assassins were Astartes levels of inhuman. Also ngl I loved it when the failson knight gets his moment and comes riding to the rescue.
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The knight pilot in Kingmaker is an actual combat veteran, he's just also a drunk.
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wiegieman posted:The knight pilot in Kingmaker is an actual combat veteran, he's just also a drunk. He's a failson in thr eyes of his peers because he pilots a runty Armiger.
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Z the IVth posted:He's a failson in thr eyes of his peers because he pilots a runty Armiger. hes a failson because he's uppity
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Knight worlds likely produce a lot of failsons.
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Re: knowledge of the traitor Marines I always sort of figured if people knew about them, barring exceptions, they probably just lumped them mentally under the Black Legion. It seems like a lot don't even know that much. In ADB's trilogy a rogue trader just thinks the Covenant of Blood is just a loyal Strike Cruiser.
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Dawgstar posted:Re: knowledge of the traitor Marines I always sort of figured if people knew about them, barring exceptions, they probably just lumped them mentally under the Black Legion. It seems like a lot don't even know that much. In ADB's trilogy a rogue trader just thinks the Covenant of Blood is just a loyal Strike Cruiser. The Imperium tries to keep its regular joe schmoe citizens ignorant that even Xenos exist
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mllaneza posted:Follow that up with the Urdesh books, some characters show up in those. They're also excellent for Guard/Space Marine/Saint stuff. They aren't bolter porn, they're bolter erotica.
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Improbable Lobster posted:The Imperium tries to keep its regular joe schmoe citizens ignorant that even Xenos exist Yeah, from what I gather, unless there is an active war in the sector or its a bordering region, it's kept very quiet. And if there is, the xenos are basically presented as boogeymen caricatures forever being neck-punched by the heroic Imperial Gua....um, Astra Militarum.
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I wonder if any book has done the "Astra Mili-what? You're in the Guard now son." meme. It would be darkly amusing to see a propaganda addled volunteer spouting off High Gothic prattle and then getting his illusions dashed by a Veteran Guardsman.
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Arc Hammer posted:I wonder if any book has done the "Astra Mili-what? You're in the Guard now son." meme. It would be darkly amusing to see a propaganda addled volunteer spouting off High Gothic prattle and then getting his illusions dashed by a Veteran Guardsman. I swear there was a bit about this recently.
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the closest i remember is gotrek after going through the oxyotl-scale insanity of the transition to age of sigmar, popping out into the mortal realms and going "what the hell is a duardin, im a dawi"
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Arc Hammer posted:I wonder if any book has done the "Astra Mili-what? You're in the Guard now son." meme. It would be darkly amusing to see a propaganda addled volunteer spouting off High Gothic prattle and then getting his illusions dashed by a Veteran Guardsman. The darktide beta has the ogryn attempting and failing to pronounce astra militarum As mentioned the new gotrek books are him calling every single thing in the new AoS stupid while having a ton of fun exploring the AoS.
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Arc Hammer posted:I wonder if any book has done the "Astra Mili-what? You're in the Guard now son." meme. It would be darkly amusing to see a propaganda addled volunteer spouting off High Gothic prattle and then getting his illusions dashed by a Veteran Guardsman.
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I could have sworn there was a book where they went "Yes the official title is this but literally everyone in the guard calls it the guard"
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How's that Helbrecht book by the way?
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I found a few credits i was not aware I had. Any 40k audibooks with just very good/striking performances you care to suggest?
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Sephyr posted:I found a few credits i was not aware I had. Any 40k audibooks with just very good/striking performances you care to suggest? The Cain audiobooks for the first trilogy really elevate the already strong material.
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Sephyr posted:I found a few credits i was not aware I had. Any 40k audibooks with just very good/striking performances you care to suggest? most are solid. the cain ones are good and any done by johnathan keeble are great even if the books are ehh.
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Sephyr posted:I found a few credits i was not aware I had. Any 40k audibooks with just very good/striking performances you care to suggest? I have not run across a bad audiobook from the Black Library, in terms of voice acting and production, but these are the ones I've listened to: 1) Helsreach is very good. That youtube animation uses the audio from it if you want a sample. 2) The Infinite and the Divine was great. 3) The Night Lord trilogy is very good as an audiobook. 4) Know No Fear and Betrayer were both good.
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Sephyr posted:I found a few credits i was not aware I had. Any 40k audibooks with just very good/striking performances you care to suggest? Emperor's Legion and its sequel Regent's Shadow, or Valdor: Birth of the Imperium by Chris Wright. Infinite and Divine is also good Also, Dapper_Swindler posted:any done by johnathan keeble are great even if the books are ehh.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/06/sunday-preview-cadia-stands-again-while-da-goff-rocker-tunes-up Next week expect a mix of Imperial Guard books to go up for pre-order.  The special edition Cadian Blood. ADB's first BL book and definitely a solid one still. Speaking of audio books, this one is getting one at the same time.  Gaunt’s Ghosts: The Victory Part 2 in paperback (and e-book).  Steve Lyon's Krieg is coming out in paperback.  New author Steven B Fischer's Witchbringer for those wanting something about Primaris Psykers. No, the other Primaris Psyker.  And finally Da Gobbo’s Demise by Denny Flowers. The Battle of the Fang is also getting an audiobook release for those hankering for some Chris Wraight goodness.
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they really do have 2 kinds of primaris psykers, just like they have 2 kinds of ancient egyptian space death robots
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Welp. Gonna re-buy The Victory for my omnibus collection I guess.
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Cooked Auto posted:
Okay, I've been able to identify every Ghost featured on the new cover art editions so far but this guy, I want to say that it's Dalin Criid? Caffran is already dead by this point so it's not him. The Founding was Colm Corbec The Saint was Elim Rawne The Lost was Tona Criid The Victor Part One was Oan Mkoll Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Nov 6, 2022 |
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Avoid the Thousand Sons audiobook, other than that, i can't really think of a bad example. There are a few narrators that take some getting used to, especially when you're doing the heresy and coming off Keeble et al, but that's pretty much it Wait Descent of Angels was also pretty bad, because the narrator decided to keep children's voices for the protagonists even after their induction to knighthood/ascension to astarteshood iirc
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Arc Hammer posted:Okay, I've been able to identify every Ghost featured on the new cover art editions so far but this guy, I want to say that it's Dalin Criid? Caffran is already dead by this point so it's not him. If I remember right from the Sabbat Worlds book that came out a few years ago, that guy is Baskevyl.
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