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It's not quite "historical" but in a similar vein a massive amount of Fantasy settings have "Religion" be the Southern Baptist Convention in costumes with the protagonists being modern day "I'm spiritual but not religious" secular liberals.
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HEY GUNS posted:i go to a lot of effort trying to get past this in my teaching and the book i'm writing. people tend to assume early 17th century common soldiers were--if not monsters in human form whom you can safely dismiss--basically people just like them, but dressed differently. like a costume. Could you expand on this a little? I’m intrigued how the psychology was actually different or how it was perceived to be different.
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Arglebargle III posted:Ugh the new Assassin's Creed is doing vikings like everybody was five years ago. I want an An Lushan Rebellion setting. Tang China is a setting that hasn't been done to death like the Three Kingdoms or Sengoku Japan or vikings or Rome. Have you seen the TV show Longest Day In Chang'an? Tang Dynasty setting with really great performance and production value. Kind of like if HBO Rome and a police procedural had a baby. Whole thing is on YouTube and subtitled. GlassEye-Boy fucked around with this message at 21:36 on May 4, 2020 |
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What palace is being portrayed in the Austrian Emperor scenes from Amadeus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FgqBQamzus Is it a stand in for some other palace that wasn't filmable?
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Baron Porkface posted:What palace is being portrayed in the Austrian Emperor scenes from Amadeus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FgqBQamzus Those scenes were filmed at the Archbishop's Palace in Prague. Here's a complete list of filming locations for Amadeus: https://www.movie-locations.com/movies/a/Amadeus.php
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Epicurius posted:Those scenes were filmed at the Archbishop's Palace in Prague. Here's a complete list of filming locations for Amadeus: Return To Castle Wallenstein
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Any recommendations for online material in the same vein as the "A collection of unmitigated pedantry"-blog? Somebody linked his series on Sparta earlier, and I found it really instructive.
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military cervix posted:Any recommendations for online material in the same vein as the "A collection of unmitigated pedantry"-blog? Somebody linked his series on Sparta earlier, and I found it really instructive. I must say, he seems pretty negative towards Sparta; he accepts the view of the krypteia as murderous secret police unquestioningly, for example.
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May 5, 2020 18:54
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HEY GUNS posted:i'm talking about the middle ages. you're talking about the early modern period. they're not the same. for a number of historical reasons the galileo thing happend in baasically the worst century it could have for him. This made me look up what astronomers in the middle ages were actually doing. And it turns out there was a debate! In a way. Apparently people were discussing how borked the Julian Calendar were. Johannes de Sacrobosco, a Western astronomer born in 1195 (year of death is uncertain) even accurately described the defects of the calendar and suggested a solution that was apparently close to the later Gregorian calendar, just about three centuries too early. And then there was Omar Khayyam: Poet, mathematician, astronomer. He also made a calendar of his own. The Jalali calendar was more accurate then the later Gregorian calendar and remained in use from the 11th century until 1925, when it was simplified and resulted in the modern-day Iranian calendar. Sweet! Could have spared us a lot of calendar-related headaches if our ancestors had used that one instead of our own bad idea calendars.
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Libluini posted:This made me look up what astronomers in the middle ages were actually doing. And it turns out there was a debate! In a way. Apparently people were discussing how borked the Julian Calendar were.
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Triskelli posted:Could you expand on this a little? I’m intrigued how the psychology was actually different or how it was perceived to be different. This is something Joel F Harrington writes about a fair bit. Basically his argument is that people in his period (16th and 17th century Europe, mostly Germany) lived a life of extreme precarity. Not just the possibility of war, but the threat of disease, domestic accident, crime, arbitrary justice and natural disaster. This made them value order at any cost. If your neighbour gets executed for stealing then, well, at least it's order rather than chaos. When it comes to how they thought about psychology, there is a much bigger belief in personality as something medical and fixed. To the 17th century mind you are governed by certain stars, and certain humours predominate. You get angry or horny or sad because of some inborn prompting. It's actually not so far from 21st century beliefs, but quite different from the view espoused in the 19th and 20th century, when most people believed in an abstract quality of character or will which would allow you to overcome any sinful inclinations.
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Mr Enderby posted:This is something Joel F Harrington writes about a fair bit. Basically his argument is that people in his period (16th and 17th century Europe, mostly Germany) lived a life of extreme precarity. Not just the possibility of war, but the threat of disease, domestic accident, crime, arbitrary justice and natural disaster. This made them value order at any cost. If your neighbour gets executed for stealing then, well, at least it's order rather than chaos. maybe it was you who first mentioned this but I remember someone commenting on how the 16th and 17th century Europeans who first traveled to China mostly thought the government and legal system was great. They'd write back home all like "some official asked us for a bribe and the Imperial authorities found out and cut his head off like a week later. It was great! I love justice." Then in the 18th and 19th centuries when Europeans visited they'd see the exact same scenes but write back "these guy's justice system is crazy brutal and extreme, how barbaric!" Even though nothing had changed
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Silver2195 posted:I must say, he seems pretty negative towards Sparta; he accepts the view of the krypteia as murderous secret police unquestioningly, for example. How could anyone be negative towards The Antebellum South: Ancient Greece Edition, I ask you?
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Squalid posted:maybe it was you who first mentioned this but I remember someone commenting on how the 16th and 17th century Europeans who first traveled to China mostly thought the government and legal system was great. They'd write back home all like "some official asked us for a bribe and the Imperial authorities found out and cut his head off like a week later. It was great! I love justice." Then in the 18th and 19th centuries when Europeans visited they'd see the exact same scenes but write back "these guy's justice system is crazy brutal and extreme, how barbaric!" Even though nothing had changed It wasn't me, but this completely scans with everything I know about early moderns vs moderns.
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I'm reminded of how the first European visitors to Korea were treated. They were a bunch of Dutch sailors who shipwrecked on the coast. Technically entering Korea was a crime, as was leaving Korea, so the sailors were immediately in trouble already. However the government is surprisingly understanding to them, and were all like "look, we know you crashed and weren't smugglers or anything. But the laws say we can't let you ever escape. Here's a small allowance and some new clothes, please enjoy your stay." It was almost apologetic in tone. One administrator even appeared to give them tips on how to sneak out. But when some of them DID steal a boat and sail to Japan, it immediately swooped in and executed everyone it could catch involved, including the Korean who sold the boat. Their justice system was serious but could also be surprisingly fair. So this isn't just my weird rambling here's one recitation of a passage from one of these first visitors subsequent account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju4OMkY5Haw
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May 6, 2020 03:17
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So thanks to the heads up about coins in here I'm now the proud owner of an Aurelius denarius. 
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Stringent posted:So thanks to the heads up about coins in here I'm now the proud owner of an Aurelius denarius.   I also got Septimus Severus denari, a Vespasian denarius and a Constantine denari. And also a Nero quadran.
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May 7, 2020 09:18
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The only good quality one I have is a Trajan denarius.
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May 7, 2020 18:18
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May 7, 2020 21:10
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I just watched this British Museum thing on medieval jew stones and was reminded of the conversation about jems itt recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAJmvS_0RBY
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honestly everything posted there is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZMqY3d-dQA
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May 11, 2020 02:44
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The reliquary is amazing.
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love that Greco-Buddhist art
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Arglebargle III posted:
Walking in that thing cannot have been fun. Bang... bang... bang.... on one knee, then the other, every step...
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I didn't post any context but that's a Mycenaean panoply in a Greek museum. Pretty different from our cultural imagination of the siege of Troy. I finished Herodotus and moved onto Thucydides. Some points that stuck out: Greek politics were far more chaotic than I'd ever realized. The poleis were constantly intervening in each other's internal politics. The Pan-Hellenic view of the Persian Wars is pretty important to the Greek view of the conflict, because otherwise it's the story of Athens Makes a Big Mistake. This is a theme continuing in Thucydides: Athenian democracy seems to produce half-assed military adventures that are just big enough to get Athens into trouble but not large enough to achieve their objectives. This Aristagoras of Miletus is a real character. Big props to Cyrus for realizing that invading Sarmatia was a very bad idea and retreating. Evacuating Attica must have been a huge disruption and I wonder how that went. Herodotus doesn't dwell on those logistics. Attica isn't very big but still. Interesting to hear that Thermopylae was originally supposed to be the site of the decisive battle and the Greeks either underestimated how fast the Persians would arrive or procrastinated too long to get there. Moving to Thucydides is a big tonal change. Thucydides is interested in trends in power politics, technological development and economics where Herodotus was not.
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Tree Bucket posted:Walking in that thing cannot have been fun. Bang... bang... bang.... on one knee, then the other, every step...
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Tree Bucket posted:Walking in that thing cannot have been fun. Bang... bang... bang.... on one knee, then the other, every step... walking's for chumps who don't have chariots.
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Arglebargle III posted:
I assume the helmet is bone for weight reasons?
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May 15, 2020 06:13
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The Lone Badger posted:I assume the helmet is bone for weight reasons? Iirc there is a bit in Homer where two dudes are arguing about whether boar tusk or metal cheek guards were better. It has been a looooong time but I think it was more about strength.
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Weka posted:Iirc there is a bit in Homer where two dudes are arguing about whether boar tusk or metal cheek guards were better.
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Metal doesn't grow on pigs. Tusk (ivory) is also a rather different material from bone.
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Scarodactyl posted:Metal doesn't grow on pigs. The rest of the armor is bronze though.
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Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1260983206746009600?s=20 I assume this might be of interest to others in this thread.
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where did ya'll get coins
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The discovery tour is the poo poo. You can visit Alexanders tomb as Caesar. And they give a lot of interesting offbeat facts to make it interesting.
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All you have to do is register a Uplay account and these two free offers are at the top of the news feed. Just click the claim button and you get them added to your account and can download them any time. I wish there was more history map nodes in Odyssey like there were back in the Assassin's Creed 2 days, where things as small as random little churches would have a brief history attached. I suppose part of that is the antiquity of the setting compared to Renaissance Italy.
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I have a Byzantine coin that will be used to identify my corpse when it's found embraced by another much older corpse in a well in Ireland years after my mysterious disappearance.
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