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So we had a unit wide town hall meeting the other day and a co-worker/friend of mine had mentioned he saw some of the submitted questions beforehand. One of the questions was asking what the company was doing about diversity in the work place and he had mentioned it was likely another co-worker who cares about the subject quite a bit apparently. So that co-worker (the one who's all about diversity) was talking to me about the aftermath of the town hall and I brought up the diversity question and asked her if she had submitted it. She said no and asked why I thought it was her. I basically said that I had thought it was her due to the other co-worker mentioning it was a subject matter she cared about and had asked similar questions in the past. She didn't seem bothered by it and went about her business. Later on, she went and bitched out my other co-worker/friend who told me she had likely asked the question because it's a sensitive subject for her and then I get a passive aggressive text ten minutes later calling me out for it (I can't blame him since the only reason he got chewed out was my big dumb mouth). This is the second time shes turned a non-issue into something stupid and I really loving hate dealing with people who turn little non-issues into dramabombs. It wasn't as if I told her that we were sick of diversity and her asking about it, if anything I told her straight out it was a good question and had she asked it, she should be proud of asking it. Sorry for the  I just needed to vent this out. I really hope I get this new position but now I'm paranoid I'm not going to get it.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Later on, she went and bitched out my other co-worker/friend who told me she had likely asked the question because it's a sensitive subject for her and then I get a passive aggressive text ten minutes later calling me out for it (I can't blame him since the only reason he got chewed out was my big dumb mouth). This is the second time shes turned a non-issue into something stupid and I really loving hate dealing with people who turn little non-issues into dramabombs. It wasn't as if I told her that we were sick of diversity and her asking about it, if anything I told her straight out it was a good question and had she asked it, she should be proud of asking it. People don't like being talked about behind their back. It happens to everyone of course, but it's pretty understandable that someone would get a bit upset about it in this situation, it certainly doesn't seem like "turning a non-issue into a dramabomb".
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Mar 21, 2013 20:57
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Earwicker posted:People don't like being talked about behind their back. It happens to everyone of course, but it's pretty understandable that someone would get a bit upset about it in this situation, it certainly doesn't seem like "turning a non-issue into a dramabomb". It pretty much is, and is why you don't say/do things like this unless you know the person very well.
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Mar 21, 2013 21:03
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Harry posted:It pretty much is, and is why you don't say/do things like this unless you know the person very well. What I mean is that it might seem like a non-issue to Handsome Ralph but that doesn't mean it was objectively a non-issue or should be one to the person being talked about, or that she was stirring up drama for the sake of doing so.
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Mar 21, 2013 21:11
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Earwicker posted:People don't like being talked about behind their back. It happens to everyone of course, but it's pretty understandable that someone would get a bit upset about it in this situation, it certainly doesn't seem like "turning a non-issue into a dramabomb". I agree with you. No one likes being talked about behind their back, yet this wasn't a case of someone talking poo poo behind someone else's back and more that he had mentioned the other coworker as the likely party who submitted the question since its something she cares about and has told him that directly. There was nothing cruel or mean about it. I asked the coworker later on if she had submitted that question after she had asked me if I submitted a different question. She was fine when I asked her about it as well. Only later after she went and chewed that other guy out did any of this become an issue. This isn't the first time either this coworker has taken something trivial (and you're right earwicker, what seems trivial to me may not be to her) and turned it into an issue either. Lesson learned, don't talk to her about anything other than my own opinions if I can help it since this isn't the first time she's misconstrued something someone has said. I'm just aggravated mostly because like I said, this co worker has a habit of gossiping and what not, and I should have known better but didn't.
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Mar 21, 2013 21:21
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I want to strangle my project manager. He's one of those people who thinks he knows how to do everyone's job better than them and is constantly meddling in things and invariably loving them up. For example, I am designing a series of custom chairs. I had one drawn up the way it was dictated to me by the customer a few weeks ago, then project manager comes and looks at it and is all "no no this isn't right he wants it like this" ("this" being something totally different from what I was told). I go change it because I figure that he went and talked to the customer more recently than I had and was just passing along some new information. Drawings got sent to the customer, who was then all "no no this is all wrong! it should be like this!" (this, this time, being EXACTLY HOW I HAD IT BEFORE). So I got to re-do it all over again. An entire week of work wasted because of this guy deciding he knows what the customer wants more than the customer does. And he wonders why we're so over budget. From here on out I'm requesting a copy of any "customer changes" in writing before I lift a finger to implement them, either so I know the customer requested them himself or so I have hard evidence to pin it on someone else if they try to get on my rear end about it. My engineering boss and I have decided we need to request a charge number for arguing over stupid poo poo like this, because when you add up the man hours wasted arguing about things that shouldn't even be arguments with this project manager it's pretty depressing.
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Mar 22, 2013 21:04
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COVER YOUR rear end
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Mar 23, 2013 00:38
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Handsome Ralph posted:So we had a unit wide town hall meeting the other day and a co-worker/friend of mine had mentioned he saw some of the submitted questions beforehand. One of the questions was asking what the company was doing about diversity in the work place and he had mentioned it was likely another co-worker who cares about the subject quite a bit apparently. So that co-worker (the one who's all about diversity) was talking to me about the aftermath of the town hall and I brought up the diversity question and asked her if she had submitted it. She said no and asked why I thought it was her. I basically said that I had thought it was her due to the other co-worker mentioning it was a subject matter she cared about and had asked similar questions in the past. She didn't seem bothered by it and went about her business. This type of poo poo is exactly why I tune anything out that seems like it might turn into passive-aggressive drama later. If someone comes to me to bitch about someone else that they don't like, my first reaction is "why didn't you say something to them, and what do you expect ME to do about it?" If you have an issue with someone, take it up with that person, because unless it involves me or will affect me directly, I really don't care. Go be a spineless coward somewhere else so I can do my job in peace.
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Mar 23, 2013 05:48
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I've been working at my place for about 6 months and the transformation it's gone through is incredible. When I started it was basically the most laid back office I've ever seen. No dress codes, free fruit in the lunch room everyone was relaxed and friendly. Basically don't do anything stupid and meet your sales quotas and everything is ok. Then they changed the quality monitoring so that certain mistakes have financial penalties of up to $100. Then they flipped it around so that there were no sales targets but we were getting tons of our calls rated. Too many low ratings and you can lose up to half your commission. The rules about what is and isn't allowed has changed so many times that no one is really sure if certain things are violating the rules. We've had multiple meeting where we've been given conflicting information. Then today they pulled everyone aside to show them exactly how much time they've been spending off the phone. We're scheduled for 7 and a half hours of work time and we get 20 minutes of " miscellaneous" down time total. So if a co-worker need you to answer a question or you have to do some administrative task, it's eating into your precious bathroom time. The whole thing is just making the job that much shittier. A ton of people are quitting. Of the 20 people in my training class, only about 8 are left. I've got a job lined up but it's not starting till August so I'm stuck here for the time being. Ironically this place has a history of winning awards for being a great place to work.
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Mar 23, 2013 06:37
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My boss's desk is littered with ongoing projects and paperwork, so when he has something really pressing it just goes on the floor, so he "won't forget." It seems to work for him, and that's great, but I have trouble taking files marked URGENT IMPORTANT seriously when they come to me covered in boot prints 
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Mar 23, 2013 11:31
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The second a job "fines" you for something you do at work is the second it's time to leave.
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Mar 23, 2013 15:58
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COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:COVER YOUR rear end I am a strong supporter of the C.A.R.E principle, Cover rear end, Retain employment.
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Mar 24, 2013 02:12
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Dr_Amazing posted:Ironically this place has a history of winning awards for being a great place to work. Awards like that may or may not actually mean anything. A former employer of mine - which coincidentally liked to control its employees down to small details, much like yours - repeatedly wins some award CareerBuilder gives out every year; it's something like "Top 100 Chicago Workplace" which amounts to a carefully crafted PR piece on the company being published in the Chicago Tribune (who owns CareerBuilder), as well as a fancy little plaque (displayed prominently on the main receptionist's desk). After being mind-blown as to how that company could keep winning awards for being such a great place to work, I did a little research. Turns out (unsurprisingly) that only companies who use CareerBuilder to recruit are eligible for this award. Apparently CareerBuilder serves 199 companies in the Chicago area, because after reading the fine print that's the number of companies which they sent employee surveys to (for their "Top 100 workplace" award). They don't send awards to companies based on whether employee surveys yielded positive results; they just quantify the results and give the 100 companies with the highest scores the annual award.
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Mar 24, 2013 05:30
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Are there any reputable rankings of "Best Companies to Work For"? I take a lot of them with grains of salt, including reviews on glassdoor which have a lot of disgruntled employee reviews. I think Forbes has one that's pretty good.
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Mar 24, 2013 14:34
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Not that I've found. Most big companies do have pretty decent internal ones, but unfortunately you'd have to work there to see the results. I tend to use Glassdoor and specifically look for trends in what people say. They may be mostly disgruntled employees, but if 150 people complain about horrible work-life balance out of 170 reviews, or the biggest con is something really specific, odds are they're on to something. Same with layoff / reorg rumors. No individual rumor is right, but if there are suddenly ten different rumors when you go to work in the morning, odds are something is about to suck.
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Mar 24, 2013 15:48
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Exactly. It's like reading product reviews; nobody bothers to write a review unless they're bitching about something, so you have to look past the rating and see what they're actually bitching about.
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Mar 24, 2013 16:54
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I'm pretty sure the awards my place got are legit. They actually do a lot of good stuff benefit wise, and from what people are saying, it was awesome last year.
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Mar 24, 2013 17:12
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When I was interviewing with Apple Corporate, I looked up the specific job title on Glassdoor because I was concerned that I kept seeing the same exact job pop up on the job boards every 4-6 months. Every review complained about extreme micromanaging and expected 60-70 hour work weeks and high turnover rate because of it. I didn't get the job, but I had already decided that if I got an offer from both Apple and my current company I'd take the job at my current company. That amount of stress and bullshit wasn't worth the prestige of having a line on my resume that said I worked at Apple. I haven't looked up my company on Glassdoor yet. I should do that. Edit: All the reviews for my current location are pretty spot on: "Pros: great benefits; Cons: out of touch management, unreasonable expectations for employees to work huge amounts of overtime, out of date equipment and refusal to provide any sort of training, location in bumfuck nowhere" Yep. Problem! fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 24, 2013 |
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Mar 24, 2013 17:13
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Heh, almost every one of the dozens of Glassdoor reviews of my previous company, even the ones that gave it a good rating, mention that the pay is terrible and they never give raises (which is absolutely true).
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Mar 24, 2013 19:16
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COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:Are there any reputable rankings of "Best Companies to Work For"? I take a lot of them with grains of salt, including reviews on glassdoor which have a lot of disgruntled employee reviews. I think Forbes has one that's pretty good. On the flip side of that, a lot of corporate recruiters write positive reviews about companies as well.
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Mar 24, 2013 22:15
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Glassdoor was actually removing bad interviews from the last place I worked at, even though they were true.
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Mar 24, 2013 23:36
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COUNTIN THE BILLIES posted:Are there any reputable rankings of "Best Companies to Work For"? I take a lot of them with grains of salt, including reviews on glassdoor which have a lot of disgruntled employee reviews. I think Forbes has one that's pretty good. For Houston there is, but that's Houston and not nationally (http://www.chron.com/business/top-workplaces/). I would recommend searching for a list of the companies to work for by city and go from there. The local newspaper may have a list. Edit - I currently work for #12 on the mid size company list. Woohoo! 
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Mar 25, 2013 00:51
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I just glassdoored where I work, It's the government of course we have lower pay then a private company. We also have 4 weeks vacation to start, 15 bankable sickdays, a golden retirement package that if you do it right you can be done in 30 years (now changed to 35 or 65 for new hires) plus the work hours. that's the trade-off idiots.
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Mar 27, 2013 16:06
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sbaldrick posted:We also have 4 weeks vacation to start, 15 bankable sickdays I wish we had separate sick days and vacation days, instead all of our time off comes from the same bank. So if you're planning a big vacation during the summer, you better hope you don't get sick for the rest of the year. This makes people come in even when they're sick and should be home because they don't want to use their vacation days they were planning on using later (or they have no choice because they used up all their days off earlier in the year). I got hit hard with the flu the very first week of the year, so there's half a week of vacation down the drain already.
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Mar 28, 2013 03:59
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:I wish we had separate sick days and vacation days, instead all of our time off comes from the same bank. So if you're planning a big vacation during the summer, you better hope you don't get sick for the rest of the year. This makes people come in even when they're sick and should be home because they don't want to use their vacation days they were planning on using later (or they have no choice because they used up all their days off earlier in the year). On the flip side, at my last job I went 3 years only taking 1 sick day (better save em if I needed em), so by the end of my time there I had wasted something like 3 weeks of sick days.
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Mar 28, 2013 12:38
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I'm from a socialist european hellhole where we have actual workers rights, benefits and compensation, so I'm going to ask something that will seem like an incredibly stupid question: What happens in the US if you have no sick days left, and you do not come into work because you are sick?
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Mar 28, 2013 18:47
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evobatman posted:I'm from a socialist european hellhole where we have actual workers rights, benefits and compensation, so I'm going to ask something that will seem like an incredibly stupid question: What happens in the US if you have no sick days left, and you do not come into work because you are sick? You don't get paid for that day.
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Mar 28, 2013 18:56
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My company just gives you a negative accrual which you eventually accrue off.
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Mar 28, 2013 19:00
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Best case scenario is they let you borrow sick days and you have a negative balance until you accrue more or they dock your paycheck to make up for it. That's if you're a professional and your boss doesn't dislike you and your company policy allows for that. Most people wind up missing out on pay and open themselves up to being written up/fired without much recourse, which doesn't happen any time someone calls out but if you're regularly sick or your boss has an axe to grind with you it's not impossible. It's pretty much impossible to get compensation for being unfairly terminated because all or almost all states are "at-will" which means that they can fire you any time for effectively any reason. Even if you have a contract, good luck suing the company that has a team of lawyers on salary without going bankrupt yourself, because even if it's open and shut they'll stall the process until you can't afford your own representation. And good luck getting another job after that, with having a sue-happy reputation.
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Mar 28, 2013 19:04
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Basically, getting sick in the United States is a Very Bad Idea.
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Mar 28, 2013 21:14
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Kyrosiris posted:Basically, getting sick in the United States is a Very Bad Idea. Patriots don't get sick. Only Jihadists take sick days. 'murica.
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Mar 28, 2013 22:42
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kaishek posted:On the flip side, at my last job I went 3 years only taking 1 sick day (better save em if I needed em), so by the end of my time there I had wasted something like 3 weeks of sick days. Oh man. Yeah none of my PTO and sick days are transferred over year to year. So even if I'm healthy, I got to use them ...
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Mar 28, 2013 23:54
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I don't have sick days anymore, which kind of sucks since the amount of "stomach bugs" has gone down dramatically.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:09
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Also not covered in The Terrible Hellhole That Is The United States is that at some jobs your sick leave is your leave, period, and you get like 10 days of it a year, so if you get the flu or something, hope you didn't plan to take any time off, have a vacation or anything, have a family emergency, etc. I worked at a place where they required 2 weeks notice to use leave, including your sick leave. They dragged a guy out of the ER by threatening to fire him for not giving 2 weeks notice that he was going to be sick.
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Mar 29, 2013 07:20
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I worked at a place where they required 2 weeks notice to use leave, including your sick leave. They dragged a guy out of the ER by threatening to fire him for not giving 2 weeks notice that he was going to be sick. Ok, now I know a lot of retarded poo poo is legal in the US when it comes to employment terms, but this... this can't possibly be legal? That's some Catch 22 level of bullshit right there. Of course, if it isn't legal they probably get away with it anyway because no-one dares to sue because they need the job / don't want to be bankrupted in the process.
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Mar 29, 2013 10:18
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He could probably use FMLA leave if he was eligible for it, but if he wasn't eligible they absolutely could fire him for taking sick leave.
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Mar 29, 2013 10:31
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rolleyes posted:Ok, now I know a lot of retarded poo poo is legal in the US when it comes to employment terms, but this... this can't possibly be legal? That's some Catch 22 level of bullshit right there. As there are no Federal regulations regarding sick time, it's perfectly legal. And remember if all else fails, you can just fire someone "for no reason". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
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Mar 29, 2013 14:33
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My future mother-in-law's company gives its workers bonuses if they use less than 3 sick days a year. This sounds like an okay idea until you realize that it means that people come in with the goddamned flu because they want that extra cash.
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Mar 29, 2013 15:00
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I worked at a place where they required 2 weeks notice to use leave, including your sick leave. They dragged a guy out of the ER by threatening to fire him for not giving 2 weeks notice that he was going to be sick. What company is this?
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I worked at a place where they required 2 weeks notice to use leave, including your sick leave. They dragged a guy out of the ER by threatening to fire him for not giving 2 weeks notice that he was going to be sick. I don't really believe this.
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