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Gearhead posted:The other possibility is that one of the reasons Zenos IS so jaded is because this was something done to him previously and nothing is a challenge for him anymore.
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I was under the impression that Zenos' sword golf bag was a magitek device that allowed him to replicate the techniques that samurai usually accomplish with aether. (e.g. charging up the sword with aether while it's sheathed, then unsheathing it to unleash a fancy iai attack)
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Apr 24, 2021 02:37
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Zenos can't have 'always' had the Resonance, because Krile was a crucial part of the process, they need someone with the Echo to do it (remember this comes back in Bozja). And if they'd already figured out the Resonance process beforehand and were confident enough to use it on the emperor's son, then why would they go through the trouble to kidnap an Echo-user to 'test' it on Fordola? Just for fun? Scientist Man whose name I never remember was already a biotech guy, he's responsible for the Hypertuned supersoldiers. He wasn't there only for the Resonance project
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Apr 24, 2021 03:04
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Personally I didn't mind losing to Zenos and Ran'jit. The way they did the fights weren't great though since they tend to last too long. Zenos' initial fight in Rhalgr's Reach was the best of the bunch.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:09
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I will say that it's only Ran'jit's first encounter that feels bad. The second time you fight him it's a case of "We don't have time for this, we have to move", the third time Thancred fights him to a standstill and the fourth time we win. It's only that first fight that has a lovely forced loss.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:10
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Argas posted:Personally I didn't mind losing to Zenos and Ran'jit. The way they did the fights weren't great though since they tend to last too long. Zenos' initial fight in Rhalgr's Reach was the best of the bunch. This is how I feel about almost every RP battle, especially the role quest ones. I didn't remember Thancred v Ran'jit being that terrible when I did it but man oh man when I watched a streamer play through the game that poo poo really does drag on about a century longer than it should.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:11
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Cleretic posted:Zenos can't have 'always' had the Resonance, because Krile was a crucial part of the process, they need someone with the Echo to do it (remember this comes back in Bozja). And if they'd already figured out the Resonance process beforehand and were confident enough to use it on the emperor's son, then why would they go through the trouble to kidnap an Echo-user to 'test' it on Fordola? Just for fun?
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Apr 24, 2021 03:16
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I think Zenos was on some kind of supersoldier enhancement stuff even before he gained Resonance. He just thought the Echo was neat and wanted to add it to his list.
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Groggy nard posted:I think Zenos was on some kind of supersoldier enhancement stuff even before he gained Resonance. He just thought the Echo was neat and wanted to add it to his list.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:33
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yeah coming back via corpse possession echo/ascian style is said to have been a surprise to him
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Apr 24, 2021 03:54
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Groggy nard posted:I think Zenos was on some kind of supersoldier enhancement stuff even before he gained Resonance. He just thought the Echo was neat and wanted to add it to his list. He probably was on the supersoldier juice, but the best we can say on that is 'probably', there's no actual concrete evidence for it to my knowledge aside from 'well he's super jacked, and they are producing super jacked supersoldiers here'. Even that, though, doesn't really inform his strength in the first two encounters. Remember that we only learn about the Hypertuned in Castrum Abania. So we don't have the option of 'maybe he's a supersoldier' to answer questions before then.
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Apr 24, 2021 04:08
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Honestly I always figured his testing it was as much "let's buff Fordola in case the WoL doesn't work out so I can have a new Fightbuddy, right down to giving her excellent reasons to turn against me" as any sort of test case?
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Apr 24, 2021 04:18
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Gearhead posted:The other possibility is that one of the reasons Zenos IS so jaded is because this was something done to him previously and nothing is a challenge for him anymore. Zenos was taught swordsmanship by a foreign swordsman and had a crystal embedded in his hand to make up for the fact he couldn't use the swordsman's techniques due to being Garlean; It's in a short story outside of the game. The story ends with him killing his teacher and being depressed it was so easy.
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Apr 24, 2021 05:40
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Zenos couldn't have gotten the Resonance treatment until after Fordola because the tech literally didn't exist until they kidnapped Krile and hit CTRL-C/CTRL-V on her Echo in order to finish programming the Echo Giver 3000
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Apr 24, 2021 05:58
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Cleretic posted:He probably was on the supersoldier juice, but the best we can say on that is 'probably', there's no actual concrete evidence for it to my knowledge aside from 'well he's super jacked, and they are producing super jacked supersoldiers here'. His strength in the first two encounters is that he is level 70.
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Apr 24, 2021 07:10
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From what I recall, when Fordola is given the resonance it's not phrased as it being untested, but that they know it works it's just dangerous and might kill her, it's not a big stretch to say that Zenos got his resonance from a different echo user, particularly as he doesn't seem to have Krile's powers like Fordola does.
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Apr 24, 2021 07:53
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An Echo user named Jenova...
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yea the process wasn't brand new and untested when we found out about it, it was fairly far along in development, just absolutely insanely dangerous and potentially lethal. Zenos likely got his treatment from someone else since he doesn't seem to have any connection to Krile. Watch it be our echo somehow, like some weird 'we took your blood you spilled in one of the many Garlean dungeons you did and were able to use that as a base' and that's why he's so Death Horny for us.
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Apr 24, 2021 15:23
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sexpig by night posted:yea the process wasn't brand new and untested when we found out about it, it was fairly far along in development, just absolutely insanely dangerous and potentially lethal. Zenos likely got his treatment from someone else since he doesn't seem to have any connection to Krile. The Warrior of Light left their DNA all over the star. Not like that.
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Apr 24, 2021 15:27
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The Warrior of Light left their DNA all over the star. now I just want that to be the reveal 'it was actually harder finding places in this world you didn't leave your genetic material to harvest for our project' 'not like that you rear end in a top hat come on this is my big dramatic evil scientist speech'
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Apr 24, 2021 15:31
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"You have spirit bonded with literally countless pieces of arms and armor, and then you just sell it. Hell, we even started collecting your old fishing poles."
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Apr 24, 2021 15:36
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sexpig by night posted:now I just want that to be the reveal There's a dialog choice between those and it's * Smirk at Y'shtola * Smirk at Estinien * Smirk at Thancred * Smirk at Gra'ha * "I've always been extremely careful actually"
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Apr 24, 2021 15:38
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'for every time you ignored the popup warning you to extract your materia before selling a 100% bond item I gain 1% Damage Up on you' 'well just loving uninstall this game now because I can't progress past a guy with 2000% damage.'
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Apr 24, 2021 15:39
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:There's a dialog choice between those and it's No one is ever going to smirk at Urianger
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Apr 24, 2021 15:45
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multijoe posted:No one is ever going to smirk at Urianger A lot of people would. I've seen the fan art.
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Apr 24, 2021 15:46
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multijoe posted:No one is ever going to smirk at Urianger i smirk at him all the time actually its just a big smile because he's my favorite
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Apr 24, 2021 15:47
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multijoe posted:No one is ever going to smirk at Urianger Look I fully agree in that list he's at the bottom, but he's still on the list man
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Apr 24, 2021 15:51
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There's a lot of ladies online that want to dom the Yugioh nerd. More than I've seen of Thancred.
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Apr 24, 2021 15:57
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Mr Yugioh fits very neatly in the venn diagram of 'completely insufferable nerd' and 'genuinely sincere and not just doing his nerdy poo poo as an affectation' to be cute
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Urianger's problem is that he'd just found his place as the Scions' resident endearingly dorky nerd, and then a much more archetypal endearingly dorky nerd joined the team.
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Apr 24, 2021 16:05
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Cleretic posted:Urianger's problem is that he'd just found his place as the Scions' resident endearingly dorky nerd, and then a much more archetypal endearingly dorky nerd joined the team. yeah but urianger is taller
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urianger is the kind of nerd who works out by reading a book on a stationary bike and gets fit as hell through sheer distracted kinetic energy
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Apr 24, 2021 16:08
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Cleretic posted:Urianger's problem is that he'd just found his place as the Scions' resident endearingly dorky nerd, and then a much more archetypal endearingly dorky nerd joined the team. Yeah but Urianger's never carried a printer around before, and won't ever. Point Urianger.
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Cleretic posted:Urianger's problem is that he'd just found his place as the Scions' resident endearingly dorky nerd, and then a much more archetypal endearingly dorky nerd joined the team. Yeah but I think they're angling towards Graha being more of a fanboy nerd, whereas Urianger is still the Book Nerd.
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Cythereal posted:Yeah but Urianger's never carried a printer around before, and won't ever. Point Urianger. I've never looked at it that way, but i guess the Crystal Tower is sort of a printer, yes
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Apr 24, 2021 16:52
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The catboy wife is better by far.
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Apr 24, 2021 16:59
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Fordola needs to join the A team so there's someone I find attractive there though. 
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Cleretic posted:Urianger's problem is that he'd just found his place as the Scions' resident endearingly dorky nerd, and then a much more archetypal endearingly dorky nerd joined the team. Urianger is a way better nerd than G’raha, it’s not even close.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The catboy wife is better by far. No that's a catboy son. You are his mom who he looks up too. Urianger and Estinien are the two weirdos at least on equal footing with you. I guess Thancred and Y'sh as well but one of those is too Sad Dad to gently caress and the other is a 3 Walls of Sarcasm to avoid emotional connections. There's no really good lady options in the scions if you want someone with the emotional vulnerability the dudes give you. Lotta really open emotionally sound dudes in the scions.
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