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whydirt posted:As has been pointed out, it does exist in the form of Draconic Roar. 1R for 3 and 1R for 3 but only if you reveal a dragon is not remotely the same thing at all 80s James Hetfield fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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mcmagic posted:Because Zada doesn't protect itself from removal and Mirrorwing does? It's a lovely card by most metrics, except when you consider that it's red.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:A 4/5 flier that is hard to kill without getting plague winded isn't bad, it'd probably be great if there were some decent 1 drop mana dorks to ramp into it reliably on turn 3-4. Even if rattleclaws were still around, turn 3 thunderbreak into this guy would be ok, but storm breath dragon it isn't. I would play the poo poo out of some storm breath dragon right now.
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Mikujin posted:Sure, you get to tap out for a 4/5 then I can send in my team and pump them all off the back of your stupid 4/5 flier that does nothing else relevant. What deck plays a pump spell in standard?
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stinkles1112 posted:Makes me wonder if maindeck Languish will be good. Your Advocates and Mindwracks dodge it, they would have a really hard time coming back if you Languish and have two dudes or a dude and a Liliana left over after. Transgress is decent against Company in the main too. There's a lot of ways to build them and I'm sure they'll all be tested thoroughly on the beta coming up. I mean, at first blush, I'd try a deck like this, which is pretty similar to the GBu deck that's going around now, but just straight GB, just with Emrakul in it. I'm sure you could build a more straight forward "drop dudes" version that would actually play Grim Flayer, but I have no idea if that's actually good. //Lands 4 Evolving Wilds 5 Forest 4 Hissing Quagmire 4 Llanowar Wastes 6 Swamp //Spells 2 Dark Petition 1 Dead Weight 3 Grapple with the Past 3 Grasp of Darkness 1 Languish 2 Ob Nixilis Reignited 1 Ruinous Path 1 Seasons Past 1 Transgress the Mind 4 Traverse the Ulvenwald 2 Ultimate Price //Creatures 1 Den Protector 1 Emrakul, the Promised End 1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet 4 Mindwrack Demon 1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer 4 Sylvan Advocate 4 Tireless Tracker //Sideboard 2 Duress 3 Languish 1 Transgress the Mind 1 Clip Wings 1 Sinister Concoction 2 Dead Weight 1 Seasons Past 2 Virulent Plague 1 Whispers of Emrakul 1 Infinite Obliteration
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This is cute:  A 1/3 for 1 that turns your opponents threat into crap is actually a good rate and its going to be a ridiculous mess in limited if you get entire boards full of Permeating Masses. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Jul 5, 2016 19:59
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Count Bleck posted:Don't be ridiculous. In a format where Dispel is legal having a 1R 3 damage instant is not any where close to being broken
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Sickening posted:What deck plays a pump spell in standard? Dromoka's Command +1/+1 and fight mode let's me pump my board [you can't use fight mode I'm dumb but still]. If it had haste or somehow impacted the board meaningfully beyond being a big red kite then maybe I could see it as being anything more impactful than a generic wet dragon fart.
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BJPaskoff posted:Maybe Wizards should stop making good creatures X/X+1 so we don't have efficient creatures bouncing off each other all day. I understand that having a 2/3 instead of a 2/2 looks more elegant and exciting, but stalemates suck and it just means 2/2s are so much worse. It's weird because I remember reading a design article a few years back where they say pretty much exactly this. That it's important to have strong creatures with greater power than toughness because otherwise you get the kind of board stalls that we see in every G/W mirror match. Reflector mage could have easily been a 2/2 and still been strong. Sylvan Advocate would still probably be playable but it wouldn't be the most ubiquitous 2-drop in the format. As it stands right now there is not much good removal for 2-mana creatures. so basically G/W gets everything -strong cheap creatures, planeswalkers, removal, and card advantage- and other colors get hosed. Blue has been unplayable outside of Reflector Mage since Dig Through Time/Treasure Cruise rotated out, Red lost Swiftspear, Battle Rage, Hordeling Outburst, and Wild Slash and got nothing to replace them, and Black has about one card in Standard on the power level of G/W things(Kalitas).
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Angry Grimace posted:That's cute, I guess. 1/3 shitlords bouncing off each other till the end of time, truly we are in a golden era of MTG
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Mikujin posted:Dromoka's Command +1/+1 and fight mode let's me pump my board [you can't use fight mode I'm dumb but still]. If it had haste or somehow impacted the board meaningfully beyond being a big red kite then maybe I could see it as being anything more impactful than a generic wet dragon fart. Well no one said it was gonna be better than Dromoka's Command decks...
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Mikujin posted:Dromoka's Command +1/+1 and fight mode let's me pump my board [you can't use fight mode I'm dumb but still]. If it had haste or somehow impacted the board meaningfully beyond being a big red kite then maybe I could see it as being anything more impactful than a generic wet dragon fart. I am pretty sure dromoka's command doesn't work that way considering the wording of mr new dragon. So no deck runs pump that works that way then?
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80s James Hetfield posted:In a format where Dispel is legal having a 1R 3 damage instant is not any where close to being broken  Angry Grimace posted:That's cute, I guess. That's hilarious. Mikujin posted:Dromoka's Command +1/+1 and Read Mirrorwing Dragon again. Specifically the part where it says "only"
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Angry Grimace posted:This is cute: A one mana 1/3 with an upside, what the gently caress.
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Sickening posted:I am pretty sure dromoka's command doesn't work that way considering the wording of mr new dragon. So no deck runs pump that works that way then? I think it does....
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Mikujin posted:Dromoka's Command +1/+1 and fight mode let's me pump my board [you can't use fight mode I'm dumb but still]. If it had haste or somehow impacted the board meaningfully beyond being a big red kite then maybe I could see it as being anything more impactful than a generic wet dragon fart. I'm not sure what Dromoka's Command has to do with this dragon and question being asked about a pump spell relevant to the dragon? It's not as good as stormbreath but it's hard to get rid of and a large threat, which is what something like a G/R midrange deck would want. I don't know if it will actually be good but I wouldn't outright dismiss it.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I'm not sure what Dromoka's Command has to do with this dragon and question being asked about a pump spell relevant to the dragon? It's not as good as stormbreath but it's hard to get rid of and a large threat, which is what something like a G/R midrange deck would want. I don't know if it will actually be good but I wouldn't outright dismiss it. If you target your Opponent's Mirrorwing Dragon with the counter mode of Command you get to put 1/1 counters on your team.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:A 4/5 flier that is hard to kill without getting plague winded isn't bad, it'd probably be great if there were some decent 1 drop mana dorks to ramp into it reliably on turn 3-4. Even if rattleclaws were still around, turn 3 thunderbreak into this guy would be ok, but storm breath dragon it isn't. Hey guess what, white has the only tier-1 removal that can deal with that thing with no consequences
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mcmagic posted:I think it does.... I haven't seen a high level judge comment on it yet but all the l1 and l2 I have seen comment on them say it doesn't. Who knows.
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mcmagic posted:If you target your Opponent's Mirrorwing Dragon with the counter mode of Command you get to put 1/1 counters on your team. But every other mode has a "target" clause so the spell itself wouldn't be "only targeting" mirrorwing
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ThePeavstenator posted:Hey guess what, white has the only tier-1 removal that can deal with that thing with no consequences Which one, Declaration targets right?
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Dromoka's command has to target more than one thing no matter how you slice it.
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AceClown posted:But every other mode has a "target" clause so the spell itself wouldn't be "only targeting" mirrorwing What if you choose the counter/sac an enchantment mode? Oh I read the wording for Mirrorwing again. It has to ONLY target it.
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mcmagic posted:What if you choose the counter/sac an enchantment mode? Target player
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mcmagic posted:If you target your Opponent's Mirrorwing Dragon with the counter mode of Command you get to put 1/1 counters on your team. This is impossible because every mode of Dromoka's Command requires a target and no combination of them can solely target Mirrorwing Dragon. Fight requires a target you control and a target your opponent controls. The sac enchantment is "target player." The burn spell mode targets another spell.
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My first thought was this: 2 Hangarback Walker 4 Sylvan Advocate 4 Grim Flayer 1 Den Protector 3 Mindwrack Demon 2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet 1 Gitrog Monster 1 Emrakul 3 Liliana, the Last Hope 1 Ob Nixilis 3 Traverse the Ulvenwald 2 Dead Weight 3 Grasp of Darkness 2 Transgress the Mind 1 Ruinous Path 1 Languish 1 Ultimate Price 1 Grapple with the Past 24 Land w/ 4 Evolving Wilds
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Stormgale posted:Which one, Declaration targets right? Dromoka's Command Stasis Snare
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ThePeavstenator posted:Dromoka's Command Statsis snare was what I was forgetting
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stinkles1112 posted:My first thought was this: I want the 4th Ruinous Path before the first Liliana...
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City of Traitors buyout in progress 
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Dr. Clockwork posted:City of Traitors buyout in progress We get the world we deserve.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:City of Traitors buyout in progress Legacy is a good fun format that everyone should play, guys.
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I will never understand the mentality behind buyouts. "Let's monopolize this staple in a format no one can afford in the first place and price it out of everyone's budget even further!"
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ThePeavstenator posted:I will never understand the mentality behind buyouts. Because you can raise the price of some card by $10 then turn a profit after fees and shipping costs turn a profit of like $250 for hours and hours of work which is way better than getting a real job because
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Angry Grimace posted:Because you can raise the of some card by 10% and after fees and shipping costs turn a profit of like $250 for hours and hours of work which is way better than getting a real job because except you need to be able to sell those cards to make that $2.68 an hour
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Dr. Clockwork posted:City of Traitors buyout in progress Didn't that already happen to get them to 120?
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ThePeavstenator posted:except you need to be able to sell those cards to make that $2.68 an hour And if you manage to not be able to do that, congrats, you just traded a bunch of money for worthless cardboard.
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Count Bleck posted:Legacy is a good fun format that everyone should play, guys. You going to Worcester?
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ThePeavstenator posted:Hey guess what, white has the only tier-1 removal that can deal with that thing with no consequences Declaration would wipe your own board, command assumes you have something that would kill it in a fight and not die as well (which works with 6 lands+advocate, admittedly) and stasis snare doesn't really see any play, unless I'm missing something? Like I said, I don't know yet if it will be decent but man are people adamant about doubling down on early opinions. Having read this thread for this long, I don't know what I expected.
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mcmagic posted:You going to Worcester? Nope. I don't play Legacy and I don't feel like driving 4 hours to get blown out in round 1.
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