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Forgive me but you're coming across as repeating some poo poo you read on a blog, which was what I was talking about in the first place 
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Apr 26, 2016 03:13
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Idk that sounds like a lazy excuse to not actually engage with what's being said Victim blaming is super common where rape is concerned. The fact that certain actions should not be taken because they carry with them a higher chance of rape does not change the fact that once rape has occurred the primary moral agent we should be concerned with is the rapist and that's not usually how it goes down. Talking about what the victim should have done is like the rape equivalent of "I'm not racist but..." PS this comic is aggressively mediocre. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 05:01
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Dude it hasn't been socially acceptable to blame the victim for like, 40 years now. This conversation is in the same ballpark of dumb as saying we have a culture of murder, and advising people to look to their own security to avoid being murdered is ~perpetuating our murder culture~.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:19
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Flesh Forge posted:Dude it hasn't been socially acceptable to blame the victim for like, 40 years now. This conversation is in the same ballpark of dumb as saying we have a culture of murder, and advising people to look to their own security to avoid being murdered is ~perpetuating our murder culture~. Have you missed all the times society has bent over backwards to not hold someone accountable for sexual assault, or are you just willfully dense? Even if Captain Oblivious is right and you don't leave the internet, it shouldn't take you long to google a case of alleged rape and scroll to the comments section. Of course, maybe its different elsewhere, but in the United States? "Victim blaming" as a catch-all for guilt abatement is hard to miss.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:29
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Flesh Forge posted:Dude it hasn't been socially acceptable to blame the victim for like, 40 years now. This conversation is in the same ballpark of dumb as saying we have a culture of murder, and advising people to look to their own security to avoid being murdered is ~perpetuating our murder culture~. You can literally watch mainstream news like CNN and listen to anchors discuss the role of the dress of the victim in causing the rape. Jesus christ if you think victim blaming hasn't been socially acceptable for 40 years do you also believe Martin Luther King slew the dragon of racism forever and ever amen? 
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Apr 26, 2016 05:37
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It's not socially acceptable to blame a specific victim, but I see plenty of discussion where people discuss "preventative measures" in a manner that makes it sound like all rape could be prevented if [insert obvious action here], which carries with it the implication that someone who doesn't do that action is bringing it on themselves. This, in turn, implies that anyone who didn't do that action and got raped brought it on themselves, which is victim blaming.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:38
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In polite society, people basically just do the equivalent of dog whistling when it comes to victim blaming. Of course in the right wing talk radio circuit (Hannity, Rush), they don't even bother with that, they just overtly blame the victim* outright. *Or minorities
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Apr 26, 2016 05:40
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Warmachine posted:Have you missed all the times society has bent over backwards to not hold someone accountable for sexual assault, or are you just willfully dense? Even if Captain Oblivious is right and you don't leave the internet, it shouldn't take you long to google a case of alleged rape and scroll to the comments section. Of course, maybe its different elsewhere, but in the United States? "Victim blaming" as a catch-all for guilt abatement is hard to miss. The only thing that's changed is that people tend to avoid saying the specific words "blame" and "victim" near each other when in polite company.
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Apr 26, 2016 05:47
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I'd like to thank everybody for recapping blog/tumblr thought trends over incredibly obvious things, thanks everyone you sure raised a lot of awareness here!!
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Apr 26, 2016 05:53
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talking is fun and the comic updates very slowly 
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Apr 26, 2016 06:14
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Flesh Forge posted:I'd like to thank everybody for recapping blog/tumblr thought trends over incredibly obvious things, thanks everyone you sure raised a lot of awareness here!! Acting smug and above it all sure is a great way to avoid acknowledging the super dumb and demonstrably false poo poo you said huh?
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Apr 26, 2016 07:57
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You don't sound mad at all, no sir!
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Apr 26, 2016 10:40
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Flesh Forge posted:You don't sound mad at all, no sir! as an independent observer I can confirm that it is you who is mad
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Apr 26, 2016 11:45
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The one who is mad is Alison, what with being a grown adult having what appears to be a tantrum for no good reason. (She doesn't really think he's going to fail her and sad boy, does she?)
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Apr 26, 2016 13:25
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EndOfTheWorld posted:The one who is mad is Alison, what with being a grown adult having what appears to be a tantrum for no good reason. (She doesn't really think he's going to fail her and sad boy, does she?) Possibly. I mean she has been fighting supervillains since she was a kid, so when you have grown up confronting people who seriously intend to conquer the world with robots or explode the moon, arbitrarily failing people probably doesn't even seem remarkable.
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Apr 26, 2016 14:12
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EndOfTheWorld posted:(She doesn't really think he's going to fail her and sad boy, does she?) Some dick professors have actually failed students based on these stunts.
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Apr 26, 2016 14:40
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Flesh Forge posted:No, this page and the next make it pretty clear it's being done without their knowledge or consent. The page previous to that states that they are working for his company, and the page you linked isn't definitive either way as he's not taking her seriously with her replies. The page after it could go either way depending on how much of a sarcastic dick he is. That they all seem to be going back to hotel rooms means they knew they were going there for something at least. I dunno, the whole thing was almost as big a mess as the 'sting' that Furnace ruined.
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Apr 26, 2016 15:11
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I really hope the professor runs the experiment again, with Allison being "ready", and someone in the class still puts down a white stone because they don't want to take a chance that someone else won't. Leading, of course, to the Lesson that the only way to get everyone to work together is to be a tyrant.
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Apr 26, 2016 15:27
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Axiem posted:I really hope the professor runs the experiment again, with Allison being "ready", and someone in the class still puts down a white stone because they don't want to take a chance that someone else won't. Leading, of course, to the Lesson that the only way to get everyone to work together is to be a tyrant. Yes.  Strong Female Protagonist is actually the origin story for the next series, Strong Female Antagonist.
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Apr 26, 2016 15:37
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So basically the professor is right and Allison has the mindset of a tyrant, where she'll force others to bend to her will. Ok.
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Apr 26, 2016 15:58
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Flesh Forge posted:You don't sound mad at all, no sir! You sound like an idiot
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Apr 26, 2016 16:58
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making GBS threads on this comic is usually fun but I've honestly been enjoying this issue so far. I'm looking forward to seeing where this is going.
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Apr 26, 2016 18:00
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Yeah, this comic is a lot better if read in bursts, even the last issue was fairly brisk outside of Patrick's office taking forever (though that doesn't change how jaw-droppingly dumb the final stretch was, but what are ya gonna do?  )
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Apr 26, 2016 18:06
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Discendo Vox posted:Some dick professors have actually failed students based on these stunts. Wow, I honestly didn't realize that. A stunt like this seems like something you could appeal to the Dean though. Axiem posted:I really hope the professor runs the experiment again, with Allison being "ready", and someone in the class still puts down a white stone because they don't want to take a chance that someone else won't. Leading, of course, to the Lesson that the only way to get everyone to work together is to be a tyrant. You and me both. That sort of experiment would be a decent microcosm of how Alison would "deal" with, say, Global Warming.
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Apr 26, 2016 19:17
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They've already shown they'd rather fire a professor than give Alison a bad mark, and this one even referenced it.
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Apr 26, 2016 20:00
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Ignoring the whole ethical dilemma thing and basically all words in the comic for the last few weeks for a second, I want to point out the professor's character design is really strong. Besides color-coordinating his cane, shoes, tie, pocket handkerchief and single gold tooth, his face and hands are covered in little cuts and scars. Between that and said missing tooth, he is someone who has clearly been through some poo poo and suffered for it in a way that Alison never can*. It makes him a really strong contrast to her, in a way that makes him a much more sympathetic figure in this situation. *Except when Cleaver is involved, which is an interesting parallel because his design is all this stuff taken to a grotesque degree. Which makes him a threat in a way the professor can't possibly be, but it also emphasizes his vulnerability. In fact, unlike Gurwara (whose introduction focused in on his clothing and accessories) Cleaver is completely exposed, which is what made that prison scene so effective.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:04
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Atmus posted:The page previous to that states that they are working for his company, and the page you linked isn't definitive either way as he's not taking her seriously with her replies. The page after it could go either way depending on how much of a sarcastic dick he is. That they all seem to be going back to hotel rooms means they knew they were going there for something at least. But Patrick and Allison basically state he's illegally obtaining their research findings in order to stay ahead of the curve. Keep in mind that these are the 5 top scientists in their fields and he has them sedated in identical body bags/sleeping bags, most likely to keep up the illusion that nothing is wrong. They went to their hotel rooms after a long day of research and then wake up the next day refreshed and ready for another one. They are under contract with Templar yes, but what he's doing is outside of their contract. He's just being a dick in brushing off the reality of what he's doing. Kidnapping people under contract to the company he has run by a figurehead, and assimilating their combined knowledge of quantum physics for his personal gain. If they had agreed, why would they be placed so haphazardly around the room? Why not just have Patrick wheel in some futons so that they can all sleep comfortably and not on the floor?
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Apr 26, 2016 22:33
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Axiem posted:I really hope the professor runs the experiment again, with Allison being "ready", and someone in the class still puts down a white stone because they don't want to take a chance that someone else won't. Leading, of course, to the Lesson that the only way to get everyone to work together is to be a tyrant. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he's probably not stupid enough to run the same experiment twice.
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Apr 27, 2016 02:45
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Axiem posted:I really hope the professor runs the experiment again, with Allison being "ready", and someone in the class still puts down a white stone because they don't want to take a chance that someone else won't. Leading, of course, to the Lesson that the only way to get everyone to work together is to be a tyrant. Although she's kind of nuts, has previously threatened to kill an entire crowd of people, and has the ability to do so, so I'd probably just do whatever she said
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Elysiume posted:I like how she says "I'll be ready," not "we'll be ready." I realize she says that just after "we will all work together," but I'm choosing to interpret as her gut response admits that she'll just strongarm people into doing the right thing. On that note, since the Patrick office scene's also been talked about again recently: My "favorite" thing about that scene is that it ultimately ends with the invincible superhero strongarming someone into doing what she wants.
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Apr 27, 2016 06:18
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Apr 27, 2016 07:38
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Brought To You By posted:But Patrick and Allison basically state he's illegally obtaining their research findings in order to stay ahead of the curve. Keep in mind that these are the 5 top scientists in their fields and he has them sedated in identical body bags/sleeping bags, most likely to keep up the illusion that nothing is wrong. They went to their hotel rooms after a long day of research and then wake up the next day refreshed and ready for another one. Alison states it, Patrick basically ignores it. The scientists are strewn around the floor for the same reason the Mexican compound guard guy threw an unfired round at Furnace.
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Flesh Forge posted:You don't sound mad at all, no sir! Look at this mad-rear end motherfucker.
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SynthOrange posted:Also making him cry. After roughing him up a little, so that he knew his place.
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Elysiume posted:I like how she says "I'll be ready," not "we'll be ready." I realize she says that just after "we will all work together," but I'm choosing to interpret as her gut response admits that she'll just strongarm people into doing the right thing. Now, how much of this scene is the author knowingly highlighting this terrible flaw she has, and how much is straight unironic Mary Sue?
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Apr 27, 2016 20:48
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Atmus posted:Alison states it, Patrick basically ignores it. quote:The scientists are strewn around the floor for the same reason the Mexican compound guard guy threw an unfired round at Furnace.
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Apr 27, 2016 21:01
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I don't get this push to make it seem like they gave consent for this. Why would he say he's going to move them around while they're unconscious if they were willing participants?
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Flesh Forge posted:Now, how much of this scene is the author knowingly highlighting this terrible flaw she has, and how much is straight unironic Mary Sue? In this specific case? Obviously the former. This whole scene is a trap for Alison to show how her axiom can lead her into bad behavior, and the comic has been pretty clear in the past on several occasions that her desire to use violence or the implied threat of violence to enforce her will, and her reliance on this as her most effective tool, is not a positive aspect of her character. I'm not sure how anyone could read this scene with Alison being in the right, although I just made the mistake of looking at the comment section for the comic and discovered that people are indeed doing so.
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