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Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊

Splode posted:

I've had multiple people ask me to explain what the front gears actually do and how you are supposed to use them when I've been volunteering at the local bike repair not for profit. I think having two sets of gears interacting is just annoying and unintuitive for a lot of people, particularly if you compare it to the simplicity of having only one set.

I also hate adjusting them, so I hope this trend of doing away with them continues and sticks.

I do not understand how a person can have eyes and not intuitively understand what "the front gears do". Just look at them! They are different sizes. Do you know what gears are?

I mean obviously this happens, I am not doubting you, but I don't really understand how one can survive to adulthood without learning some basic mechanical intuition.

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norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil
I think the bigger wtf there is understanding rear gears but not front ones

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak
It's the interaction between the two that is the issue.

In truth, a lot of people just do not understand how gear size relates to torque and speed as it's not something they've ever needed to know.

But if you only have rear gears (or only front gears, but that isn't a thing really) then its easy: change the gear number up or down to either go faster or make it easier. How does it work? Who cares.

With two sets, it's similar but they interact and ultimately people don't want to think about Mechanical systems when they ride, they just want to ride.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Too hilly where I am to give up on front derailleurs. What's not to love about a lil chain ring for climbing and a big chain ring for descents and going fast on flats.

One chain ring is either too masochistic or too boring

Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING
As someone known as the person who can fix bikes, I've been asked several times why someone's chain makes a noise sometimes and I've had to explain again that not all gear combinations are good and some should never be used. This is difficult for many to comprehend. They think their bike has 27 speeds or whatever because that's what it's supposed to have, or something. I like having two rings on my road bike though, adds versatility. For my commute ten in the rear is plenty because it only has one steep hill but it's pretty short and I tend to attack that one standing up anyway.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Front derailleurs are good. They're dead simple and I don't understand how so many people complain about them for tuning/maintaining. I set mine once and then its mostly fine for a few years until I replace the cables. 1x setups often claim to have similar total gearing range than 2x but the intermediate steps are all annoyingly large and make settling into a good natural cadence difficult, especially in hilly areas. I get the appeal of the advertised simplicity of 1x but I just think the trade offs are not worth it in the real world.

I do understand that "not bike people" don't care to learn how anything works and want something as simple as possible, but the trade off is huge and if you're posting in this thread you probably aren't that type of person.

Related to that, I tried out an Enviolo hub on a recent e-bike test ride and for an automatic hub it worked a lot better than I expected it to especially for the low cost compared to something like a Rohloff. I can imagine the type of audience it would appeal to, the same type of person that doesn't like thinking about gears at all. But it still doesn't do anything for me, I like and want the control even on an e-bike.

Jesse Ventura
Jan 14, 2007

This drink is like somebody's memory of a grapefruit, and the memory is fading.

Phosphine posted:

I mean obviously this happens, I am not doubting you, but I don't really understand how one can survive to adulthood without learning some basic mechanical intuition.

Back when I was wrenching, I had a customer who lubricated his brake rotors because his brakes were too loud. He's lucky he didn't ride into traffic and die.

A lot of modern life is as idiot-proof as possible. People rely on cars and cell phones without having the faintest idea of how they work or how to fix them, because they're increasingly designed to be unservicable at home. Bicycles are very simple in comparison but they resist idiot-proofing.

Guinness posted:

Front derailleurs are good. They're dead simple and I don't understand how so many people complain about them for tuning/maintaining. I set mine once and then its mostly fine for a few years until I replace the cables. 1x setups often claim to have similar total gearing range than 2x but the intermediate steps are all annoyingly large and make settling into a good natural cadence difficult, especially in hilly areas. I get the appeal of the advertised simplicity of 1x but I just think the trade offs are not worth it in the real world.

They're great on a bike with a dropper post, which is not something you'd see on a commuter bike anyway.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Bike commuting often involves hauling baggage, grabbing groceries and stuff, and in my case involves hauling 2 children in a bike trailer. Unless you live in a flat place, I can't imagine doing a lot of that up a hill without a small front gear. I use the entire range of my surly long haul trucker every day and I don't think rear gears get large enough to make the uphill climbs doable with all that weight.

e: i should tone it down a little; it's possible but miserable

alnilam fucked around with this message at 17:53 on May 2, 2024

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I ran a 34t x 11-52 on my cargo bike. It was fine for getting up steep hills, with the significant caveat that I was on 24" wheels.
Would roughly map to a 32 x 42 gear on a 700c, so still doable with modern 1x.

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

Splode posted:

I've had multiple people ask me to explain what the front gears actually do and how you are supposed to use them when I've been volunteering at the local bike repair not for profit. I think having two sets of gears interacting is just annoying and unintuitive for a lot of people, particularly if you compare it to the simplicity of having only one set.

I also hate adjusting them, so I hope this trend of doing away with them continues and sticks.

Shimano have been working on this for decades with multiple tries at RapidRise where the lever direction goes the same way as the power increase on the front and rear. Never caught on.

Now they agree with you and CUES is going to be on every midlevel city bike for the next several years.

Giant Metal Robot
Jun 14, 2005


Taco Defender
Just got a bike with a Rohloff. It and belt drive is magic, and all I want on all future bikes.

Gotta get rid of all my other bikes to fund a single-speed belt drive for commuting and another Rohloff for long rides.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Why would you need to gut the shifter? Just don’t use the doubletap paddle.
for grins, obviously

e: also i just discovered that the bottom pulley on the rear derailleur has a crack running down the full radius. i have no idea how that would happen or howl long it's been there, but it's a good enough excuse to swap out the cage assembly anyway!

TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 22:01 on May 2, 2024

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
1x is fashionable right now.

I see enough complaints about the Enviolo hubs on reddit (although mainly in the context of cargo bikes) that I'm pretty suspicious of them.

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

leftist heap posted:

1x is fashionable right now.

I see enough complaints about the Enviolo hubs on reddit (although mainly in the context of cargo bikes) that I'm pretty suspicious of them.

I liked mine for commuting. It's pretty vital to get the one rated for your use case though, using the commuter for a cargo bike would probably not help it last very long.

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007

You've gone through at the back
The great thing about up-to-8 speed drivetrains is they're much cheaper, so they're an easy choice for a cheap, not-attractive-to thieves city bike. You can have a 1x up front if you live somewhere relatively flat, or a 3x for an excellent range of gears on a shoestring budget.

I get that many on this thread are looking for something a little more sporty/light/fun, which is fair enough. I generally want something I can park outside and it's still there later, and I don't feel guilty about not cleaning too often.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Al2001 posted:

The great thing about up-to-8 speed drivetrains is they're much cheaper, so they're an easy choice for a cheap, not-attractive-to thieves

I’d like to see stats on the distribution of what kind of bikes are stolen when a lock is used. If a moderate lock discourages pros from taking a lower tier bike or not. Just hearing anecdotally what is taken, it doesn’t seem to be flat out insurance.

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007

You've gone through at the back

kimbo305 posted:

I’d like to see stats on the distribution of what kind of bikes are stolen when a lock is used. If a moderate lock discourages pros from taking a lower tier bike or not. Just hearing anecdotally what is taken, it doesn’t seem to be flat out insurance.

Of course this is all anecdotal, however(!) if you use a u-lock and have a cheap bike, it's extremely unlikely to be stolen. The kind of thief who's committed enough to carry around something that can break a u-lock (almost always a battery-powered angle grinder irl) wants to come away with something of actual value. You can break some u-locks with very long-handled bolt cutters too, but I think they're too impractical/inconspicuous for most thieves.

Cable locks and small chains can be snipped in a second so I don't count them as real locks.

mikemelbrooks
Jun 11, 2012

One tough badass
Yesterday (02/05/24) officers from Team 2 response attended a theft in progress in Winsley- three high values bikes to the value of £20,000 had been loaded in the back of a van that made off from the scene.

Following a swift investigation, the van was identified as travelling in the Bath area. With the assistance of Firearms officers and officers from our Burglary Team, the van was located in Bath. Two suspects have been arrested and are currently in custody and the bikes were recovered.

Sgt DAVIS from Team 2 has said "Bikes are always attractive to thieves, no matter the value. They are easy to adapt and sell on so we would urge the public to have their bike frames stamped to make them easily identifiable and harder to sell on."

Contact your NPT team to request assistance with bike stamping by emailing us at TrowbridgeAreaNPT@wiltshire.police.uk
The story I heard was that one of the bikes had a tracker/air tag fitted. So how do they stamp a carbon bike?

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Phosphine posted:

I do not understand how a person can have eyes and not intuitively understand what "the front gears do". Just look at them! They are different sizes. Do you know what gears are?

I mean obviously this happens, I am not doubting you, but I don't really understand how one can survive to adulthood without learning some basic mechanical intuition.

You just gotta multiply them. So 3x2 is more than 1x5 but less than 2x4

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
If that's not how it works then i don't caaaare

oXDemosthenesXo
May 9, 2005
Grimey Drawer
I'm building a new commuter pretty much from scratch and it's been a fun process. It took alot of patience to build up the wheels but they turned out great.

I did learn a lesson about tubeless tires that seems obvious in hindsight - don't skimp on sealant.

I had the beads seated, tape on tightly, and valve seated well but was still getting a slow leak. After scratching my head for awhile I did the soapy water thing and found tiny leaks all over the sidewalls of the tires. Dumped a bunch more sealant in there, shook and spun then around for awhile, and now they hold pressure overnight.

Waste of Breath
Dec 30, 2021

I only know🧠 one1️⃣ thing🪨: I😡 want😤 to 🔪kill☠️… 😈Chaos😱… I need🥵 to. [TIME⏰ TO DIE☠️]
:same:
I find that a break-in ride is necessary after setting up tubeless to ensure that everything gets plugged, but glad you got it sorted!

oXDemosthenesXo
May 9, 2005
Grimey Drawer
Unfortunately I made the mistake of doing the tires before most of the bike is ready to ride.

No brakes, no seat, no drivetrain yet.

I might end up throwing some more sealant in when I do get it rideable for that break in.

Math You
Oct 27, 2010

So put your faith
in more than steel
I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with the factory tubeless setup from Giant. I took delivery of my bike in December and let them know I wouldn't be riding it until April, so they just gave me the sealant it comes with in a little baggie. Cautioned me that it wouldn't hold air overnight and that it wasn't anything to worry about.
The rear tire held a ridable pressure all winter and while the front did end up mushy it took like a month, again, with no sealant.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
i know it’s a rapha dentist faux pas, but i couldn’t help but get the evangelion unit 01 autism helmet

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

TenementFunster posted:

i know it’s a rapha dentist faux pas, but i couldn’t help but get the evangelion unit 01 autism helmet

this rules

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

Al2001 posted:

Of course this is all anecdotal, however(!) if you use a u-lock and have a cheap bike, it's extremely unlikely to be stolen. The kind of thief who's committed enough to carry around something that can break a u-lock (almost always a battery-powered angle grinder irl) wants to come away with something of actual value. You can break some u-locks with very long-handled bolt cutters too, but I think they're too impractical/inconspicuous for most thieves.

Cable locks and small chains can be snipped in a second so I don't count them as real locks.

there are sometimes crews who sweep an area, taking everything that's locked up, but that's exceptionally rare and almost always in non-residential areas at like 4am when cops and bystanders are both at a minimum. i've only ever seen one personally and it was in sf's financial district at 4am on a sunday, grabbing bikes people left locked up outside work or bars

Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING
My colleague's husband had a nasty crash last week. I don't know the guy and he's about ten years my junior but from what I've gathered over the years he's a way more dedicated cyclist than I've ever been. He's into road and gravel bikes and does crazy long range rides I'd never attempt. Anyways he got home from his 75 km(!) work commute after calling his wife and asking where they lived (they had moved apartments just a week before and he had gone to the old place first) all bloodied up, severe road rash over large parts of his one side, cracked helmet and clear signs of concussion. Minor damage to the bike, just bar wraps scraped I think, so he probably rode home pumped to the gills on adrenalin. She called an ambulance, he spent a night at the hospital for observation after some kind of brain imaging that was clear, and is home recovering now. No known witnesses to whatever happened, no police report, nothing. They guy has no memories of the day, or the week leading up to it. He seems to be doing alright, considering. Scary stuff though.

Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

Put the fenders back on my gravel-turned-commuter bike yesterday as it's winter here now and I got tired of arriving to work with a wet arse.

As for chainring chat, I have a 46/34 and an 11-36 on my commuter (which is an old CX bike I put an older 10-speed mtb derailleur onto) and I use basically all of that range at some point during my commute.



That's the way home, mostly flat with a decent climb near home for a total of 129m climbing in ~11 km. I'm sure a modern 1X groupset could do the job with some bigger steps between some of the gears.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?
Delete me - wrong thread

wooger fucked around with this message at 12:06 on May 21, 2024

Xiphas
Nov 5, 2004
I've been bike commuting since last August with the exception of when it rains. I just sold my car since it was rotting at the curb, so I'm looking for recommendations for rain gear since I'm going to have to ride in all weather now.

I live in North Texas, so a jacket doesn't need to be super warm, but recommendations on something that would keep me mostly dry on a 30 minute commute would be appreciated. It doesn't have to be perfect since I change at work. I just don't want to get totally soaked.

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

Xiphas posted:

I've been bike commuting since last August with the exception of when it rains. I just sold my car since it was rotting at the curb, so I'm looking for recommendations for rain gear since I'm going to have to ride in all weather now.

I live in North Texas, so a jacket doesn't need to be super warm, but recommendations on something that would keep me mostly dry on a 30 minute commute would be appreciated. It doesn't have to be perfect since I change at work. I just don't want to get totally soaked.

This is v dorky but it works: rain cape.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Xiphas posted:

I've been bike commuting since last August with the exception of when it rains. I just sold my car since it was rotting at the curb, so I'm looking for recommendations for rain gear since I'm going to have to ride in all weather now.

I live in North Texas, so a jacket doesn't need to be super warm, but recommendations on something that would keep me mostly dry on a 30 minute commute would be appreciated. It doesn't have to be perfect since I change at work. I just don't want to get totally soaked.

Why do you need to stay dry if you’re changing anyway?

I certainly don’t bother and just ride in normal Lycra cycling shorts & jersey if I’m gonna get wet, maybe some kind of long sleeve jacket if it’s really windy. They dry in an hour or so.

Anything waterproof will make you sweat anyway.

In winter I’m in a soft shell hiking jacket that keeps me warm and comfortable, wool hat, winter bib tights.

And I change at the other end.

5 miles each way approx.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Goretex rain jacket of choice, pit zips are essential!
Showers Pass brand rain pants
These have kept me dry very well in all kinds of weather for like 15 years of year round bike commuting

However i will say if it's an especially hot stormy day, sometimes it's better to just go shirtless and change afterwards.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

wooger posted:

Why do you need to stay dry if you’re changing anyway?

This.

Just wear quick drying technical clothing - bibs & jerseys are what they are for a reason.

Actually the worst thing is putting the wet shoes back on for the trip home. Shoes never dry during the day

Spare socks & shoe covers if it's gonna be really wet. But they aren't perfect, if you are throwing up a lot of spray the water will run down your leg under the covers regardless.


The winter Lycra bibs are 100% worth it if it's gonna be wet and under 10°C, especially with the zips at the ankles to get out of them easier. You'd be surprised how warm the fleece lining is on something so lightweight.


As an aside - I unlocked a new experience today on my commute: riding in a hailstorm. Absolutely do not recommend that one.

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

SimonSays posted:

This is v dorky but it works: rain cape.

Yeah I bought myself a big rain poncho and it's better than all the expensive stuff: because it's a poncho, it's open at the bottom and I don't get sweaty, it's long so it keeps my legs dry too, and I can just put it on and take it off with normal clothes underneath.

Cost very little and folds into its own pocket so I can just keep it in one of my panniers.

The only thing it doesn't do is keep my shoes dry so I do need to get some shoe covers

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

Splode posted:

Yeah I bought myself a big rain poncho and it's better than all the expensive stuff: because it's a poncho, it's open at the bottom and I don't get sweaty, it's long so it keeps my legs dry too, and I can just put it on and take it off with normal clothes underneath.

Cost very little and folds into its own pocket so I can just keep it in one of my panniers.

The only thing it doesn't do is keep my shoes dry so I do need to get some shoe covers

My solution is to wear sandals when it's raining

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

if it isn't bitterly cold and you're going to be changing anyway, fenders and synthetic fibers are plenty

Xiphas
Nov 5, 2004

Cactus Ghost posted:

if it isn't bitterly cold and you're going to be changing anyway, fenders and synthetic fibers are plenty

Yeah, I guess I'll go with this, especially since it's getting into summer. I'll just pack the extra socks for the inevitable swamped shoes.

I did get hit by a big splash from a passing SUV today, which soaked me pretty good. That makes me pine for the gortex option, but the couple of times I wore something similar outdoors in summer it really sucked. I'd rather be wet than super hot in the inevitable 100 degree days of August.

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Mauser
Dec 16, 2003

How did I even get here, son?!
finally getting around to putting my old fenders on the new commuter and there's so much rub :negative:

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