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quote:The Emoji Movie has grossed $86.1 million in the United States and Canada and $131.7 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $217.8 million, against a production budget of $50 million. So basically it wasn't a flop in the sense that it technically made more money than its production budget (someone remind me, does production budget also account for marketing/advertisement or is that separate?) but if Sony was hoping that this would somehow blow up into a mega-bazillion dollar franchise that seems vanishingly unlikely to happen.
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Kai Tave posted:(someone remind me, does production budget also account for marketing/advertisement or is that separate?) It doesn't include the marketing, and you also have to account for the theatres' take (and the difference between global and US box office). The rule of thumb is that you need to make double your production budget as worldwide gross to be successful but there is a huge margin of error on that. Hollywood accounting is a magical thing though. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is a tale of witches and wizards but the least plausible thing about it is that it lost 167M dollars. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 07:56
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It doesn't include the marketing, and you also have to account for the theatres' take (and the difference between global and US box office). The rule of thumb is that you need to make double your production budget as worldwide gross to be successful but there is a huge margin of error on that. Oh for sure, Hollywood numbers are spurious at the best of times. Unfortunately all we really have to go on is what gets reported so it's kind of a tossup, but the Emoji movie wasn't so bad it killed Sony but I strongly doubt it was enough to win anyone any corner offices either. For perhaps a different form of comparison the Emoji Movie made, worldwide, less than half of what the Lego Movie and Wreck It Ralph did and about a fourth of what Inside Out made. So even taking into account the fact that animated movies will always make some money because of kids, in comparison to other animated movies it still lags behind pretty starkly.
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Aug 20, 2018 09:07
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It doesn't include the marketing, and you also have to account for the theatres' take (and the difference between global and US box office). The rule of thumb is that you need to make double your production budget as worldwide gross to be successful but there is a huge margin of error on that. Going down the rabbit hole of links in that article, there's a great story about one of the writers for Coming to America suing a Hollywood studio over their accounting processes. I believe Sigourney Weaver did something similar in Ghostbusters 2.
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Aug 20, 2018 09:12
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It doesn't include the marketing, and you also have to account for the theatres' take (and the difference between global and US box office). The rule of thumb is that you need to make double your production budget as worldwide gross to be successful but there is a huge margin of error on that. On average it's about 2/3 of the domestic sales go to the studio, but studios can require more. I forget who it was, probably Disney, but there was a story in the news not too long ago that some studio wanted 90% of sales for some big blockbuster for the first few weeks. International is 25-50% generally but if you distribute your own films internationally that probably gets higher.
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Aug 20, 2018 13:08
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Disney demanded a larger cut for screening Coco in Brasil so a lot of theaters just skipped it but I don't think it affected their profits at all
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Aug 20, 2018 13:42
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Retro Futurist posted:Other way around; they thought it was going to be some billion dollar franchise and they wouldn’t need to play nice with Marvel anymore on the Spider stuff Yea that's what surprised me, that anyone could think that it would be a massive Shrek like hit, and give Sony gently caress you money.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:04
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twistedmentat posted:Yea that's what surprised me, that anyone could think that it would be a massive Shrek like hit, and give Sony gently caress you money. If they understood how this all works and how to make money, they wouldn't be Sony execs. If they hadn't gotten the Spider-Man license when Marvel was on the edge of bankruptcy it's very likely Sony pictures wouldn't be around today
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Aug 20, 2018 19:48
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twistedmentat posted:Yea that's what surprised me, that anyone could think that it would be a massive Shrek like hit, and give Sony gently caress you money. Presumably the plan was to cross-promote with Spider-Man by having the emoji characters interact with Peter whenever he's snapchatting or instagramming or doing EDM or whatever these teen-agers and millenniumals are into these days.
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Aug 20, 2018 20:35
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Wheat Loaf posted:Presumably the plan was to cross-promote with Spider-Man by having the emoji characters interact with Peter whenever he's snapchatting or instagramming or doing EDM or whatever these teen-agers and millenniumals are into these days. Tough mudding
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Aug 20, 2018 21:27
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The fact that everyone in management at Sony Pictures is compensated in the top 1% of American incomes and somehow continue to remain employed should be enough to kill anyone's belief that we live in a meritocracy.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:30
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The fact that everyone in management at Sony Pictures is compensated in the top 1% of American incomes and somehow continue to remain employed should be enough to kill anyone's belief that we live in a meritocracy.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This applies to every CEO as far as I can tell Some CEOs actually get fired or make money, though.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:53
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twistedmentat posted:I just listened to the Flop Houses episode about the Emoji movie, and I'm perplexed that at any point Sony though that would save their studio. Its literally Coupon The Movie from Mr Show. Any interesting tid-bits? I love cinematic car wrecks.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:10
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https://twitter.com/FilmEasterEggs/status/1031034456042164225
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Aug 21, 2018 01:53
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To me, the most baffling thing about the Emoji Movie is that it says the main character is a "meh" emoji, except... he isn't. Meh is an unofficial name for "unamused face", AKA 😒, and its expression is drastically different from the "meh" emojis in the movie, which are more like "bored face" or something. Notably, bored face isn't an emoji. There isn't even anything close to what the movie's "meh" emojis are. The main character of the emoji movie, a film that is about emojis, stars an emoji that doesn't exist. On top of that, the hacker girl is an emoji that doesn't exist, the happy-faced hand is an emoji that doesn't exist, and the poo emoji is suave/smug instead of joyously happy. I am one of those weirdos who actually likes following emoji development and it makes me hate the film more.
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Aug 21, 2018 02:00
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Shageletic posted:Any interesting tid-bits? I love cinematic car wrecks. this is the episode https://www.flophousepodcast.com/2018/08/episode-264-the-emoji-movie-live/ but basically, Emojis live in a horrible dystopia where they can only been the emotion they represent, and Gene can't do that, so he has to go on the run. He meets a cool hacker lady emoji called jailbreak and they have to escape to the cloud where emojis can be free. Oh and they hide in the loser lounge at one point, and the eggplant emoji is in there. Yea right.
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Shageletic posted:Any interesting tid-bits? I love cinematic car wrecks. Here's everything you need to know about the Emoji Movie in less than 9 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PffTR8YoyMU
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Aug 21, 2018 04:09
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Hemsworth GQ profile that makes him seem like a really cool guy, which of course is the point. I don't care it worked on me! Also even he didn't like Thor 2 quote:That newfound recognition—that mistakes aren't always fatal and first impressions aren't always final—was useful as Hemsworth helped push the Thor trilogy forward in Thor: Ragnarok. “The first one is good, the second one is meh,” Hemsworth says. “What masculinity was, the classic archetype—it just all starts to feel very familiar. I was so aware that we were right on the edge.” It's crazy how he went from "eh" to everyone's favorite Avenger in the course of 2 movies.
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Aug 21, 2018 14:55
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It shouldn't really come as a surprise that he didn't like the second considering he had every intention of leaving the MCU until Thor Ragnarok.
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Aug 21, 2018 15:42
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https://twitter.com/Sony/status/1031917610206552064 Hyped as hell for the Ned solo film.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Sony/status/1031917610206552064 An experimental film, still life on the planet (moon?) Titan.
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Aug 21, 2018 16:23
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We get to follow his ashes as they travel around Titan.
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Parker’s ashes are the foundation of new life on Titan. Watch as creation and life flourishes on a barren world. Narrated by David Attenborough and directed by Terrance Malick.
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Aug 21, 2018 16:46
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Spider-man bottle episode of Peter and Tony discussing the plots of 80s sci-fi movies while they're on that spaceship going to Titan.
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Aunt May strikes a deal with Mephisto to bring Peter back to life. Spider-Man (with help from Dr strange) swings DOWN INTO HELL TO SAVE HER
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AngryBooch posted:Spider-man bottle episode of Peter and Tony discussing the plots of 80s sci-fi movies while they're on that spaceship going to Titan. Peter throwing a party to give all the time-displaced heroes and possibly Thor a crash course in all the movies they missed.
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Aug 21, 2018 19:11
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Kinda sucks that the Spider-Man press will likely spoil the ending of End Game before it comes out.
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Aug 21, 2018 20:09
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I'm curious how they'll promote Captain Marvel in Avengers 4. Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 are coming out in roughly the same spots in 2019 as Black Panther and Infinity War did earlier this year; we'd seen a bit of T'Challa and Wakanda in the Infinity War trailers pre-BP, but we'd already met some of the characters and seen some of the concepts in Civil War. Conversely, we've not seen any of Carol yet, so it will be interesting to see how (if at all) she factors into Avengers 4 promotional material before her own movie is out.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Aunt May strikes a deal with Mephisto to bring Peter back to life. Yes, she trades Ben for him and it's retroactively the new origin
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm curious how they'll promote Captain Marvel in Avengers 4. Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 are coming out in roughly the same spots in 2019 as Black Panther and Infinity War did earlier this year; we'd seen a bit of T'Challa and Wakanda in the Infinity War trailers pre-BP, but we'd already met some of the characters and seen some of the concepts in Civil War. Conversely, we've not seen any of Carol yet, so it will be interesting to see how (if at all) she factors into Avengers 4 promotional material before her own movie is out. I'm guessing they'll keep her out of the teasers and drop a full trailer after her movie that includes her. With Spider-Man I imagine it will be hard to obscure whether or not it's a post snap/Resurrection timeline or a timefuckery/it never happened situation. But who knows, Hulk was in the trailer for Infinity War so maybe they'll continue the trend of red herring trailers.
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Is it just me or does it seem odd that there haven't really been any teasers or trailers or anything much at all for Captain Marvel? It's the next big MCU movie, and I think the only one in between now and the next dust-up with Thanos, and all I've seen or heard is a small handful of sneaked set pics from a couple months ago. This movie comes out in less than a year! When are we getting a trailer?
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Aug 21, 2018 22:12
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They'll probably stick in front of Mary Poppins 2 or something.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:14
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I for one am perfectly fine without ad campaigns revving up a couple months before release instead of over half a year out
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Sony/status/1031917610206552064 Imagine if they pulled a Metal Gear Solid 2 and all the marketing shows Peter, but then you go to the movie and it turns out it's actually a movie about Miles.
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I'd just be happy for some official shots of Bree Larsen as Carol. I saw a picture not to long ago of all the women in the MCU and of course Karen Gillan is tallest, but Bree Larsen is pretty tall too. I hope they have them straight up tower over RDJ.
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SlimGoodbody posted:Is it just me or does it seem odd that there haven't really been any teasers or trailers or anything much at all for Captain Marvel? It's the next big MCU movie, and I think the only one in between now and the next dust-up with Thanos, and all I've seen or heard is a small handful of sneaked set pics from a couple months ago. This movie comes out in less than a year! When are we getting a trailer? Captain Marvel is being retooled as a series for ABC. Set in Florida.
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SlimGoodbody posted:Is it just me or does it seem odd that there haven't really been any teasers or trailers or anything much at all for Captain Marvel? It's the next big MCU movie, and I think the only one in between now and the next dust-up with Thanos, and all I've seen or heard is a small handful of sneaked set pics from a couple months ago. This movie comes out in less than a year! When are we getting a trailer? It's the biggest gap between Marvel movies in 3 years. Ant-Man was released mid-July 2015, and Civil War was May 2016. Civil War had a few convention previews in August & September 2015 but it didn't get a trailer until November.
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It's smart to wait. Infinity War just came out on home release. Give that some distance, and get closer to the holidays.
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Jamesman posted:Imagine if they pulled a Metal Gear Solid 2 and all the marketing shows Peter, but then you go to the movie and it turns out it's actually a movie about Miles. Nope it's actually Tony Stark in an Iron Spider suit.
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