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Dapper_Swindler posted:i kinda hate how no one can really write a good tau story it seems because no one is really sure how they want them potrayed. if i wrote the tau, id probably make them the good guys of the faction but like realtically lovely, like a caste system version of the federation mixed with a bit of covenant.. a pretty good society to live it for average person but it has alot of pit falls with the caste system and eitherial political bullshit and overly eager military who want to do big "they will welcome us as liberators" poo poo. plus how alot of the client races who were brought in were either lied to degree or forced into complience under subtle threats. the central goverment is strong but it has a bunch of possible fracture points. like the eitherials would still be the leaders but it would be less "pheremones etc control" and more thousands of years of entrencthed power and such. I figured they'd just be space neoliberals.
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Telsa Cola posted:BoS is just good reading too, and has one of the best descriptions of a space marine fighting ftom a human perspective in all the books ive read Brothers of the Snake is easily my favorite Warhammer book that I've read, for all that it's a series of short stories.
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The Demilich posted:I figured they'd just be space neoliberals. i mean yeah basicaly. except it works better compared to plague planet/hentai relm/war world chaos and the imperium of man.
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mllaneza posted:The Urdesh series has some fantastic action scenes, including one of the very best one on one fights in Black Library history in the second one. You also get to see an Imperial Saint cut loose with the full Grace of the Emperor. The reason I like the Gaunt's Ghosts fights so much is that Abnett bases them all in interesting wider strategic situations. Is Farrer good at that?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean yeah basicaly. except it works better compared to plague planet/hentai relm/war world chaos and the imperium of man. Ba'rack Aun'va Ma
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Black Griffon posted:Ravenor vs. Eisenhorn sounds extremely like something BL marketing insisted on because of obvious marketing reasons. According to Dan, that's precisely what happened. He wrote Pariah as a Bequin novel 1, BL decided to market it as Eisenhorn vs Ravenor 1, the fans were initially disappointed, but came around slowly as time went by. It's half the reason why Penitent took so long to come out, but BL peeps had learned their lesson and they did switch the series name from Eisenhorn vs Ravenor to Bequin.
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FPyat posted:. I've also nabbed the tank book Steel Tread by Andy Clark, though I haven't opened it. I liked it!
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StrixNebulosa posted:What is the best 40k fiction with an action focus from the last five years? Horror is also very good, but I'm in a big military / shoot-shoot type mood. Yeah, Farrer's Urdesh books are the best recent bolter porn-y stuff in 40K.
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FPyat posted:The reason I like the Gaunt's Ghosts fights so much is that Abnett bases them all in interesting wider strategic situations. Is Farrer good at that?
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lonelylikezoidberg posted:I liked it! Steel Tread was perfectly serviceable. A very middle of the line Guard book. And my only memory of Shadowsword was the scene with the downed voidship and that the ending felt far too rushed and just kinda happens. That and the Dramatis Personae spoils the main twist of the book.
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Chemtrailologist posted:Check out Apocalypse by Josh Reynolds. Is it pre or post Cadia being kaboom'd?
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Man, reading Dark Imperium and I really love this small, humanizing moment where Calgar internally gets really pissed at his dad for sitting in a chair wrong.
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Flytrap posted:Man, reading Dark Imperium and I really love this small, humanizing moment where Calgar internally gets really pissed at his dad for sitting in a chair wrong. Transhumans being petty bitches is my favorite part of the setting.
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Re-reading Saturnine, and it struck me that one of the curiously defining things about the Sons of Horus in the Heresy is that they seem far more human than a lot of the Legions. They bullshit with each other, they complain about other Legions, they seem to have personal goals and actual opinions on things. All the Imperial Fists are one note "NOT A STEP BACK" and meanwhile the Mournival is over there planning strikes, bitching about Perturabo, having existential crises, and generally feeling more like actual people.
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Flytrap posted:Man, reading Dark Imperium and I really love this small, humanizing moment where Calgar internally gets really pissed at his dad for sitting in a chair wrong.
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gene father, cuz you gotta get real weird w masculinity if you write about warrior monks implanted with the geneseed (the genesperm)
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Ah, his closer Spacedad. Gotcha. Yeah, you've kind of got a multi-dad situation going on there that'd blow chud brains if they were forced to sit down and actually deal with "every Space Marine has three dads".
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The audiobook of the Emperor's Legion is cool and I like the three readers, thanks for the rec, thread.
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Arquinsiel posted:Calgar's dad? Dude was born a serf named Tacitan. I doubt his dad survived that long. bob dobbs is dead posted:gene father, cuz you gotta get real weird w masculinity if you write about warrior monks implanted with the geneseed (the genesperm) Right, yeah, his Cumbox Dad not the one that actually helped conceive him. Guilliman calls a meeting on Ultramar and the Ultramarines dust off his old 10k year old throne. It's one of the most sacred relics of the Chapter, sometimes marines would just stand there and stare at it, trying to envision their Sire sitting on it, imagining what he'd think of them. And then said Sire just walks up and plops his armored rear end onto the chair without looking up from his paperwork and Calgar gets REALLY pissed for a moment before he comes to the realization that *it's a loving chair*. They didn't store it away because it was sacred or special, they put it away because it's too loving big for anyone else to comfortably use. And Calgar has to take a moment to calm himself and realize what an immense dumbass he's being about a piece of furniture. It's just a really small but nice bit of humanization as he has to come to terms with the hero worship his Chapter has been doing for the past 10k years.
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Chas McGill posted:The audiobook of the Emperor's Legion is cool and I like the three readers, thanks for the rec, thread. I really liked it as well.
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It's refreshing that there appears to be more and more fiction about Rowboat doing paperwork, logistics and complaining about his armour vs bolter-porning it all over the battlefield.
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The Battle of Lion's Gate was won because the Palace had enough troops and material present to wreck a whole bunch of Khornate demons, not Guilliman going out onto the ramparts himself. 
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Z the IVth posted:It's refreshing that there appears to be more and more fiction about Rowboat doing paperwork, logistics and complaining about his armour vs bolter-porning it all over the battlefield. I honestly love it
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Is he still stuck in the armor? The armor that keeps him alive but is itchy and smells like poo poo lmao.
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Biplane posted:Is he still stuck in the armor? The armor that keeps him alive but is itchy and smells like poo poo lmao. No he can get out of it at this point iirc.
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Telsa Cola posted:No he can get out of it at this point iirc. Good that seemed like a stupid plot point. And didnt a bunch of authors just ignore it anyway? "Oh yea the armor, we hide it with holograms or whatever"
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Biplane posted:Good that seemed like a stupid plot point. And didnt a bunch of authors just ignore it anyway? "Oh yea the armor, we hide it with holograms or whatever" It was dumb and I think they realized it kinda went against the whole hes a loving primarch thing. Imo they shoulda done a reveal that if they just kept him out of loving stasis he would have been fine.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Re-reading Saturnine, and it struck me that one of the curiously defining things about the Sons of Horus in the Heresy is that they seem far more human than a lot of the Legions. They bullshit with each other, they complain about other Legions, they seem to have personal goals and actual opinions on things. All the Imperial Fists are one note "NOT A STEP BACK" and meanwhile the Mournival is over there planning strikes, bitching about Perturabo, having existential crises, and generally feeling more like actual people. In universe this is because all of the Horus in them. The charisma, nobility, etc. The real reason is that Abnett wrote this book and the other defining HH SOH book (and ADB for the post HH black legion stuff) and they are actually great authors. It's interesting if you look at all the depictions of the various legion how they are written about changes pre and post a good author writing them. ADB with the Scars and Death Guard being another good example.
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Wraight's Wrqth of Iron really defined the Iron Hands for me, especially seeing as how the only previous books about them were Fulgrim, where they just die a bunch, and 2003's Iron Hands, which is okay bolterporn.
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I'm only a handful of chapters into Warhawk and after reading Mortis I now understand why readers might say Mortis was boring. The prose is like day and night and I want to say that was all on purpose, but I'm not sure.
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AndyElusive posted:I'm only a handful of chapters into Warhawk and after reading Mortis I now understand why readers might say Mortis was boring. I think John French just... isn't great? He's reliable but I tried the Horusian Wars series and got nothing out of it.
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OPAONI posted:I think John French just... isn't great? He's reliable but I tried the Horusian Wars series and got nothing out of it. I think hes solidly mid-high tier and GW should let him go hog wild with inquisitor Covenant.
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I really enjoyed The Horusian Wars. Bile stuff is ok and the rest of his stuff is meh.
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Abnett was able to turn the smurfs from "Captain Genericus, the codex states..." to actual practically minded soldiers with an amazing infrastructure and a plan beyond a future where there is only war (wink). And he balanced the line of Guilliman being a logistics and organisation monster who can unleash into one of the most terrifying fighters in the galaxy. "Not even close to all seventeen - four or five at best"  OPAONI posted:I think John French just... isn't great? He's reliable but I tried the Horusian Wars series and got nothing out of it. I liked his Ahriman books as a solid mid tier, but they started to lose their way a bit and I can only remember bits of them, so there's that
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DaysBefore posted:Know No Fear did so much to redeem the Ultramarines it's amazing Really astonishingly good book, especially given the use of present tense throughout
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