Cnut the Great posted:

He's promoting that as a goal to aspire to. It's no different than what religion has been saying for millennia: When your loved ones die they go somewhere better, and this is something that should be celebrated. He never tells Anakin he's not allowed to cry even once or else it makes him a bad person, or anything ridiculous like that. This is clearly not the case, as we see in Episode I that the Jedi hold funerals for each other and quite clearly experience feelings of loss and sadness at them, Yoda included. You're reading something into the scene that just isn't there, IMO.

What you have to keep in mind is the context of the scene: No one has actually died. Anakin is being troubled by premonitions of the future; free-floating anxieties about death. Yoda isn't comforting Anakin in the wake of the loss of a loved one, but merely trying to remind him of his teachings and guide him into a mindset where these anxieties won't trouble him so much and lead him down the dark path of self-fulfilling prophecy (which of course happens anyway despite Yoda's best efforts). Telling Anakin that it's okay to feel sad about someone dying wouldn't have helped one iota. The problem isn't that someone close to him has died and that Anakin is hurting and needs to be comforted; the problem is that Anakin is desperately afraid that someone will die--all because of a nightmare he had--and that he is pathologically averse to allowing this to happen under literally any circumstances.

Again, keeping the context of the scene in mind, do you really think Yoda essentially saying to him, "Yes, Padme might die. But don't worry; if she does, it's okay for you to miss her after she passes" would have been more helpful? No. That doesn't address Anakin's core problem in the slightest. What Yoda is saying is to stop fixating on death so much because it's not that bad a thing, and if you keep this in mind you'll stop having these anxiety-induced premonitions. And this advice proves to have been sound, as it turns out that Padme was never going to die originally, and it was only because Anakin lived in such constant and neurotic fear of ever losing her that that future ever came to pass in the first place.

Jewmanji posted:

Are you using "reasonably" in the same sense as "justifiably", and if so, can you clarify what's reasonable about that?

Jewmanji posted:

I don't really know if I subscribe to this. Anakin has every reason to be an anxious mess, it's not irrational at all given that he was having premonitions about Shmi, who then went on to die, and not through some Greek tragedy of Anakin's own making. For all Anakin knows, his idleness and failure to act quickly is what got Shmi killed. Now it's possible that Yoda knows nothing about what happened there, but Yoda knows as well as anyone (presumably) that the premonitions are not some vague anxiety, but are true premonitions that can be triggered through free will (his warning to Luke is much more direct). If he knows that much, his warning to Anakin is a little too subtle. He could instead warn him of this Greek tragedy mechanism. He never says "your own actions will be your undoing", he instead plays it sort of coy with a bunch of mild aphorisms, like they are discussing death in an academic sense. In fact, Yoda has every reason to believe that if he doesn't cure Anakin of this anxiety, that someone may suffer real consequences. In a sense, it's Yoda's own inaction and idleness that be partially attributable to the whole situation.

It'd be like warning a child that firearms are dangerous, but not providing them adequate safety instruction, and then sort of shrugging when they accidentally blow their head off.

Jewmanji posted:

Are you using "reasonably" in the same sense as "justifiably", and if so, can you clarify what's reasonable about that?

Cnut the Great posted:

Yoda is absolutely right in the scene. Faulting him for being too "subtle" is basically just taking issue with the style the Star Wars movies are written in. It's like calling Yoda a bad teacher because all he says to Luke before his attempt to lift the X-wing is "Do or do not", which is really not very illuminating advice if you insist on looking at these films as a documentary re-telling rather than as a mythological construct.

Schwarzwald posted:

The problem isn't that Yoda is wrong, the problem is he fails to be empathetic. He's too focused on giving the doctrinal correct advice to notice how much suffering Anakin is actually in--too focused on being a teacher to notice the student.

Yoda himself is failing to live in the moment and pay attention to what's happening around him. It's the mistake the Jedi order as a whole makes, and arguably the single greatest cause of their downfall.

Yoda is right, but Anakin doesn't need a platitude. He needs compassion.

quote:

LUKE
Master Yoda, you can't die.

YODA
Strong am I with the Force... but not that strong! Twilight is upon me
and soon night must fall. That is the way of things... the way of the
Force.

Ingmar terdman posted:

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Teek posted:

Vanity Fair Last Jedi Cover story:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

Includes new characters names and shots, planet descriptions and some behind the scenes production information.

quote:

Rose and Finn’s adventure takes them to, among other places, another Johnson innovation: a glittering casino city called Canto Bight, “a Star Wars Monte Carlo–type environment, a little James Bond–ish, a little To Catch a Thief,” the director said. “It was an interesting challenge, portraying luxury and wealth in this universe.” So much of the Star Wars aesthetic is rooted in sandy desolation and scrapyard blight; it appealed to Johnson to carve out a corner of the galaxy that is the complete opposite. “I was thinking, O.K., let’s go ultra-glamour. Let’s create a playground, basically, for rich assholes,” he said.

Lord Hydronium posted:

“It was an interesting challenge, portraying luxury and wealth in this universe.” So much of the Star Wars aesthetic is rooted in sandy desolation and scrapyard blight; it appealed to Johnson to carve out a corner of the galaxy that is the complete opposite. “I was thinking, O.K., let’s go ultra-glamour. Let’s create a playground, basically, for rich assholes,” he said. 

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

Lmao, I can't wait for this thread to be swimming in even more prequel-hater cognitive dissonance.

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Why are these new movies avoiding using old alien designs? *Thrusts glasses up* By all canonical accounts there should be at least some twi'leks in that scene, and I would argue Muuns and Neimoidians.

Hey, if I can't nerd out here where can I nerd out?

aBagorn posted:

Finn is still wearing Poe's clothes - they're clearly banging.

Gonz posted:

UmOk posted:

Ugh. That, quite literally, looks like a cutscene from Super Mario Bros. on Sega Genesis.

Gonz posted:

homullus posted:

Darth Brooks

Pops Mgee posted:

I would assume that the Neimoidians got royally hosed after the clone wars like Germany post WWI. It would be nice to see a couple classic star wars aliens sprinkled in with the new designs though. Makes the movies feel less connected with all the old races completely strangely absent and replaced with these new aliens we've never seen.

Also Darth Jorge.