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sb hermit posted:or, y'know, nvidia could just give the nouveau team all the needed info without reverse engineering and they'd probably do it for free and even better and compatible with modern APIs. Which is probably what they're doing right now anyway way too much secret sauce happens in nvidia's userland bullshit for that to be feasible
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The Arc Alchemist GPUs are hopefully coming out this summer. And of course there's always AMD. I haven't had any issues with my RX560 since I got it in 2018 or thereabouts.
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KozmoNaut posted:The Arc Alchemist GPUs are hopefully coming out this summer. tbh i imagine this is a big factor in nvidia suddenly caring about making their driver experience less poo poo after decades of stalling
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The Nouveau developers don't need more information. Nvidia locked down their hardware further after Nouveau started becoming useful and now most features require special signed firmware that is part of the proprietary driver. I honestly don't know why anyone bothers developing Nouveau considering the open contempt Nvidia has shown towards it tbh. gently caress Nvidia, especially for all the wasted time I've had janitoring their garbage proprietary driver across our fleet. e: Oops, an update while the system is running? Better SIGSEGV the X driver and all programs using CUDA, wouldn't want to have a smooth experience on our workstations for minor updates, would we? Nothing else has this problem, but we, Nvidia, we're special, we need special janitoring. gently caress Nvidia, seriously. Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 09:25 on May 15, 2022 |
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upgrading from F35 to F36 with an RX 6700 XT worked flawlessly
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akadajet posted:linux is designed for dumb terminals so be thankful you get anything beyond 80 column text
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Beeftweeter posted:that said imo it's better than a one-size-fits-none approach but not better than the “one size fits most, also the building blocks are encapsulated such that you can create what fits your needs in an interoperable way” model of the well-designed minicomputer & mainframe systems
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pseudorandom name posted:upgrading from F35 to F36 with an RX 6700 XT worked flawlessly
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:80 columns and 25 lines ought to be enough for everyone, op please, most terminals of the 1980s and beyond support 132 by 43
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today in linux audio adventures i plugged a headphone jack into my puter and it decided the headphones were a stereo microphone actually somewhat successfully too
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a speaker is a microphone, just like a generator is a motor
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:a speaker is a microphone, just like a generator is a motor seriously wouldn't be surprised if this were used to justify functionality in a commit
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Beeftweeter posted:seriously wouldn't be surprised if this were used to justify functionality in a commit it’s used as justification to ban computer speakers in government buildings
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Sapozhnik posted:today in linux audio adventures i plugged a headphone jack into my puter and it decided the headphones were a stereo microphone i don't know how, but plugging my noise cancelling headphones into my laptop somehow broadcasts an amplified version of the noise the external mics pick up through the earpiece, so it's like I have a giant over ear hearing aid on. it's like having a superpower, I can clearly hear conversations and the clatter of any solid objects moving from two rooms away- exactly not the reason I sprung for a nice headset.
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akadajet posted:it’s used as justification to ban computer speakers in government buildings i'm sure that they're all manufactured in a shed somewhere and then go through a ton of different companies' supply chains until they're branded with a name people will recognize also has nothing to do with that policy
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it's an AC97/HDA thing. There's a bunch of jacks that terminate on your motherboard and the sound chip doesn't really care whether it hooks a DAC or an ADC to them, it's all the same. On windows you get the REALTEK AUDIO CONFIGURATION MANAGER to configure that stuff, on Linux I'm sure there's some godawful ALSA or Pipewire CLI thing but nothing in GNOME Settings yet. I guess maybe it measures impedance to decide whether a jack has been connected to a headphone or a microphone or maybe a headphone microphone combo since at least some of those sockets have four contacts in em. but yes i am aware that headphones can act as somewhat serviceable microphones. i'm surprised this has never been a plot point in a hollywood hacker movie type thing although the studio executives would probably think the audience would be too stupid to understand the hollywood hacker man's explanation painstaking in monosyllabic words for five year olds.
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Sapozhnik posted:it's an AC97/HDA thing. There's a bunch of jacks that terminate on your motherboard and the sound chip doesn't really care whether it hooks a DAC or an ADC to them, it's all the same. On windows you get the REALTEK AUDIO CONFIGURATION MANAGER to configure that stuff, on Linux I'm sure there's some godawful ALSA or Pipewire CLI thing but nothing in GNOME Settings yet. it detects the number of pins on a trrs jack.
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RokosCockatrice posted:i don't know how, but plugging my noise cancelling headphones into my laptop somehow broadcasts an amplified version of the noise the external mics pick up through the earpiece, so it's like I have a giant over ear hearing aid on. it's like having a superpower, I can clearly hear conversations and the clatter of any solid objects moving from two rooms away- exactly not the reason I sprung for a nice headset. that's how noise cancellation works - just play back whatever is coming from outside just phase-inverted. though it looks like yours might be defective or just bad somehow
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RokosCockatrice posted:i don't know how, but plugging my noise cancelling headphones into my laptop somehow broadcasts an amplified version of the noise the external mics pick up through the earpiece, so it's like I have a giant over ear hearing aid on. it's like having a superpower, I can clearly hear conversations and the clatter of any solid objects moving from two rooms away- exactly not the reason I sprung for a nice headset. my sennheiser pxc 550s do that too, but ive only ever plugged them in through usb, and afaik they only do that when the mic is active
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Sapozhnik posted:today in linux audio adventures i plugged a headphone jack into my puter and it decided the headphones were a stereo microphone most headphones are actually pretty adequate dynamic mics. My Sangean prison model radio has the AUX IN jack blocked off that is normally present, because they didn't want inmates to be able to plug a set of headphones into the aux in and use it as a makeshift PA system to coordinate riots.
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China is ditching Windows in favor of Linux when it comes to government services and the like, if this is really true we could expect to see more Linux users in general in China which could have an effect on the available software for Linux and hardware compatibility which in turn could make Linux a more viable choice here in the west for people still on the fence. 
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Kamrat posted:China is ditching Windows in favor of Linux when it comes to government services and the like, if this is really true we could expect to see more Linux users in general in China which could have an effect on the available software for Linux and hardware compatibility which in turn could make Linux a more viable choice here in the west for people still on the fence. source this quote pls
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Jonny 290 posted:source this quote pls https://www.neowin.net/news/chinese-government-to-dump-windows-in-favor-of-linux/
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go play outside Skyler posted:that's how noise cancellation works - just play back whatever is coming from outside just phase-inverted. though it looks like yours might be defective or just bad somehow i've narrow it down to a defect located somewhere in the OS layer (they work just fine for other machines)
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Kamrat posted:China is ditching Windows in favor of Linux when it comes to government services and the like, if this is really true we could expect to see more Linux users in general in China which could have an effect on the available software for Linux and hardware compatibility which in turn could make Linux a more viable choice here in the west for people still on the fence.
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Kamrat posted:China is ditching Windows in favor of Linux when it comes to government services and the like, if this is really true we could expect to see more Linux users in general in China which could have an effect on the available software for Linux and hardware compatibility which in turn could make Linux a more viable choice here in the west for people still on the fence. china is already making inroads into their own consumer hardware with riscV, which will likely lock in Linux support https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/09/china_homegrown_chips/ Russia is also making their own hardware and linux (although they are still using ARM, maybe they have a riscV group too) https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/10/baikall_iru_arm_pcs/ But riscV is also being explored in Europe as well. Not like Windows has ever had any supercomputer wins lately, but riscV precludes use of Windows more or less https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/22/first_riscv_epi_chip/
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“only tux could go to china” also, because Linux is free as in speech beer I look forward to it toppling the authoritarian regimes in both countries 
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I look forward to some libertarian free as in free to be within 500 feet of a school free software type's rant about risc-v in china and in russia and in nvidia secure enclaves that's basically "risc-v is a great because it's open and anyone can use it wait no not that way"
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I, for one, am happy that Intel is embracing riscV instead of the 2000s microsoft take (where ballmer called linux a cancer) https://riscv.org/blog/2022/02/intel-corporation-makes-deep-investment-in-risc-v-community-to-accelerate-innovation-in-open-computing/
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is qt with C++ or whatever mess GTK is still considered the best way to make a gui application in windows? people keep forgetting that microsoft became what it is not because of some random love from execs, but because they made it super easy for developers to write apps and become vendor locked-in.
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go play outside Skyler posted:is qt with C++ or whatever mess GTK is still considered the best way to make a gui application in windows? electron
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go play outside Skyler posted:is qt with C++ or whatever mess GTK is still considered the best way to make a gui application in windows? they made a good product in Office and etc but they couldn't help themselves and committed some heinous antitrust actions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp. dos and windows were also decent computing game platforms but copy protection is annoying as poo poo and it was just easier to play those games that just required a CDROM in the drive anyways, we are in the linux thread so regardless of what os you use, it's nudgenudgetilt posted:electron
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I was real surprised at how well quake 3 did on my linux box. I had hoped that linux gaming was right around the corner but it turns out that it would take another 22 years and would involve applying a windows api translation layer
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sb hermit posted:I was real surprised at how well quake 3 did on my linux box. I had hoped that linux gaming was right around the corner but it turns out that it would take another 22 years and would involve applying a windows api translation layer loki saw some real bangers make it to linux in 99 and 00. quake 3, tribes 2, soldier of fortune, unreal tournament, sc3k
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nudgenudgetilt posted:loki saw some real bangers make it to linux in 99 and 00. loki really made it work well but then steam came out and took over and it was right at that cusp when distributor control finally took effect because accountants couldn't justify having developers work on a linux port (or outsource it) when that money could go to shareholders Props to id software for open sourcing the doom 3 engine, though, and to splash damage for the wolfenstein enemy territory game, and to whoever helped open source star control 2.
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you wanna know what ruined third party game ports to any platform? Hollywood more specifically, a couple of rich assholes who realized they could treat video games like films, and pay the publisher of a title for the right to port the title to another platform—optioning a game port, just like optioning the film rights to a novel prior to that, generally ports of games done by third parties were either entirely contracted or done as an advance against royalties; in either case, you had publisher P paying developer B to take developer A’s DOS/ST/etc. game and make it run on Mac/Amiga/etc. in occasional cases you’d also have developer Z tell publisher P they didn’t need any money in advance to port developer A’s game to Linux/Solaris/etc. just a fraction of royalty then, suddenly, developer R (for rich) shows up and says to publisher P “if I pay you $100,000 now, will you let me port developer A’s game to Mac and get a royalty on every sale?” and before you know it, no ports exist that aren’t pre-paid then you meet developer S (for suck) who one-ups developer R by saying “oh yeah, we don’t even need your source code, your IP is totally safe that way!” and the only way it becomes possible to tune a port for a platform is by hacking WINE eschaton fucked around with this message at 09:50 on May 16, 2022 |
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the main thing that ruined game porting was a broad disregards for compatibility and software longevity, an attitude sprung from package repos with continuous (though poor) maintenance of what is considered the entire "normal" software ecosystem in concert. it is in general ridiculous to imagine that all useful software will get effectively rewritten over time (an ever-growing task), and games are at the forefront of software that is expected to at some point simply be finished. loki couldn't possibly make it because there were a hundred separate idiots out there breaking their poo poo. the real purpose of wine is that it ports some actual stability to linux, the exact api is not really the key matter.
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eschaton posted:more specifically, a couple of rich assholes who realized they could treat video games like films, and pay the publisher of a title for the right to port the title to another platform—optioning a game port, just like optioning the film rights to a novel what amazes me is how much they still manage to spend. aaa game budgets are reaching the low end of blockbuster movie budgets, while employing *way* fewer people.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the main thing that ruined game porting was a broad disregards for compatibility and software longevity, an attitude sprung from package repos with continuous (though poor) maintenance of what is considered the entire "normal" software ecosystem in concert. it is in general ridiculous to imagine that all useful software will get effectively rewritten over time (an ever-growing task), and games are at the forefront of software that is expected to at some point simply be finished. ehh, while true that linux sucks at userland backwards compatibility, the only dependency I ever had issues with breaking loki games was glibc. I did a *lot* of distro hopping in high school, and loki games were perfect everywhere until distros started moving from glibc 2.2 to 2.3. (and by that time loki no longer existed to provide any support)
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